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Seagate probably has more failures simply because they sell a lot of drives:

 
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i dunno, from my experience seagate it's pretty good, much better than WD
but now i'm considering WD since it's getting better in here
toshiba is nice but i've heard many got problem here, so i better choose between seagate and WD

Seagate probably has more failures simply because they sell a lot of drives:

could be, don't forget how they or the shop send it to the customer could raise the risk of damaging the disk too
 
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Seagate drives are fine. It has been all I have used in the last 10 years in terms of HDD and SSHD and I have only had one (i dropped it) fail. All of the other drives are still viable.
 

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Personally I haven't touched Seagate disks for my personal data since all their issues with their Barracuda 7200.8 hdd's back in the days but now I am in a need of a cheap and reliable 7200rpm HDD with at least 64MB of cache since my WD Enterprise 1TB may be dying slowly it got a causion warranty in CrystalDiskInfo and warranty expired 25th of September 2019 this is just ironic :laugh:

So I need a cheap and reliable hdd where I can offload the data so I am wondering what you people think about the Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 it's like £32,91 shipped to me.

I don't need more then 1TB for this data and I don't want to waste like £98 on a Samsung 860 QVO 1TB for this data.

Hey puma99dk, just sharing some specs on that drive if you should go that route. If you need anything, just reach out. Great avatar BTW.
 
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I've had 0 problems with the 2TB barracuda that has been in my rig for 3 years now. Back things up and it doesn't matter what brand the drive is, as they all fail eventually.
Some just have a higher failure rate than others.

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Personally for me, those numbers for Seagate are enough to keep me away.
 
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Hey puma99dk, just sharing some specs on that drive if you should go that route. If you need anything, just reach out. Great avatar BTW.

Hi @seagate_surfer

Thanks it's for avatar comment I do love to be a bit punk in my adatude sometimes.

What is your thoughts about the EXOS 7E8 ST8000NM000A because I am thinking about 2 of these 2 replace my 2x4TB WD drives.

A little history from work is that In the past I experienced more Seagate hdd failures then other manufactures sadly even the EXOS series I had drive fail on under warranty even had a drive replaced that still again failed under warranty so I am still in the thinking stage because I won't like to go consumer with 2xST8000NM0055 to replace my 2xWD Red 4TB drives I purchased back in 2014 or something and are still running strong but thinking enterprice grade instead with Seagate EXOS drives.
 

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Hi @seagate_surfer

Thanks it's for avatar comment I do love to be a bit punk in my adatude sometimes.

What is your thoughts about the EXOS 7E8 ST8000NM000A because I am thinking about 2 of these 2 replace my 2x4TB WD drives.

A little history from work is that In the past I experienced more Seagate hdd failures then other manufactures sadly even the EXOS series I had drive fail on under warranty even had a drive replaced that still again failed under warranty so I am still in the thinking stage because I won't like to go consumer with 2xST8000NM0055 to replace my 2xWD Red 4TB drives I purchased back in 2014 or something and are still running strong but thinking enterprice grade instead with Seagate EXOS drives.

In your original post, you wanted an affordable drive of 1TB for backups; I imagine you are exploring other alternatives as well. All drives will fail one day or another and I am sure we agree that backups are necessary no matter what the brand may be. In this case the drive will do the job that you require but he final decision is yours as I do not want to impose what brand you need. As I tell everyone else, choose the right drive for the job and that is the best advice I can give. If you need more info, please reach out.
 
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In your original post, you wanted an affordable drive of 1TB for backups; I imagine you are exploring other alternatives as well. All drives will fail one day or another and I am sure we agree that backups are necessary no matter what the brand may be. In this case the drive will do the job that you require but he final decision is yours as I do not want to impose what brand you need. As I tell everyone else, choose the right drive for the job and that is the best advice I can give. If you need more info, please reach out.

For the larger drives with data I got I chose more carefully then the smaller once.

To be honest I don't want to pay the price on a HDD that is the same of a 1TB SATA drive because then I will automatically take the SSD any day :roll:
 
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I've been using a 4TB Seagate drive for the better part of 4 years now, and it wasn't new when I bought it. Zero performance or health issues. Second drive I use is a 2TB Hitachi, previously used in some kind of enterprise setting as it had high power-on hours but minimal power-on/off cycles. Zero performance or health issues on this one as well.
Find a drive that works well for you in terms of performance and features and enjoy it. Hardware fails are pretty random and the best way to protect yourself is, as everyone else suggested, to have multiple backups on different storage media.
I will be swapping my 2 HDDs with one of bigger capacity and use these two for backups.
 

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Personally for me, those numbers for Seagate are enough to keep me away.

I thought we were all pretty much on the same page that the Backblaze numbers were pretty much useless.
 
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pretty much can be yes, ive few 3.5 baracuda still rock solid after 8years or so, not sure about other model what so call evo bla bla bla tho, i dont pay for new product yet, still dont needed:)
edited: i only own single ssd for personal use, other than that old storage model
 
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Why though?

Several reasons. They use consumer drives in server environments. The drives are subjected to stress they aren't designed for and wouldn't see in a normal desktop. What they consider failure wouldn't be a failure in a normal consumer use. They consider a drive failed if it is marked failed from the RAID array. But since they use drives that don't have TLER, RAID arrays often mark perfectly good drives as failed. They completely throw out the numbers for drives that have 100% failure rates. They've said in the past that they've had 100% failure rates with some WD models, and don't include them in their reported numbers. I actually think I remember them saying this is why they don't even use WD drives anymore, because they were the most unreliable for their uses. They had some models that worked great, but others that outright refused to work and had 100% failure rates. That isn't to say WD drives are bad for consumer use, they just don't like to be put in RAID arrays. At least the cheap ones don't.
 
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I thought we were all pretty much on the same page that the Backblaze numbers were pretty much useless.


The only people who should use Backblaze as a source of HD reliability information are folks that re going to intentionally install consumer hard drives in a an inadequately designed server environment in direct confict with manufacturers' written instructions and ignoring the fact that they are not designed for such usage.

You might as well complain about wearing a watch that was not designed to be waterproof when going diving to 200 feet of depth nd then complaining it failed.

When Backblaze published their data, some dude (Christopher Nelson) sued Seagate cause he had a drive fail and the warranty alsoi failed. He sues on the bais of Backplaze data alleging that the data proved the drive was faulty. It didn't turn pout so well:

1. Backblaze installed consumer drives in a high-volume enterprise-class environment that far exceeded the warranty conditions of the HDDs.

2. Backblaze used its own internally developed chassis, using rubber bands to hold the vertically mounted HDDs in place.

3. It is not as if testing consumer drives in a server envirnment is like a tougher test and is therefore in any way representative of perforemnce in a consumer environment. It does the opposite. Putting a server drive in a consumer environment makes it fail faster; putting consumer drive in a server environment makes them fail faster.

4. Server drives are designed based upon the assumption that they will be installed in data centers with thick concrete floors and racks securely bolded to said floors providing a vibration free environment. Server drives therefore do not include a head parking feature which parks the arm when I/O slacks to prevent the arm crashing into the disk when vibration occurs. BB's rubberband equipped cases left sitting on folding table didn't exactly qualify for this designation.

5. Most consumer drives are equipped with features suited to the consumer environment. One of these is the head parking feature which is intended to protect the drive from the copy paper delivery guy's handruck at the office or your dog jumping up when doorbell rings while he's sleeping under your desk. So here, the drive is parked when I/O activity lapses.

6. Consumer drives don't see the I/O activity that server drives do so they spend most of their time in the parked position. These drives are generally rated for 250-500k parking cycles, far more than they are likely do see in a small / medium office or home usage.

7. Server drives on the other hand, can see 30-90k cycles in a month. So the very feature that protects consumer drives in a consumer environment, causes pre-mature failure in a server environment.

8. BB used more drives per chassis than allowed for under manufacturer's design specifications leading not only far greater loadings but also environment temperatures.

9. BB took this route as low budget consumer drives made financial sense. Not only were they much cheaper so that it was cheaper to replace a drive 3-4 times than purchase one designed for that environment, but server Hds were in short supply at the time because the flooding in Thailand has wiped out many plants.

10. So what it comes down to is a) of what possible relevance is backblaze data when they are purposely installing drives in direct conflict with manufacturermwritten instructions, inmtentionnaly ignoring the fact that they are not designed for this service and b) why in the world would anyone look at this data when relevant data is readily available. At the time that the BB data was used as the basis of this lawsuit, other data ..., actually applicable data ... was readily available and published by behardware. The following data presents actual consumer drives bought by consumers thru retail channel(s) and RMA'd by brand and model number. The 1st number is the latest 6 month reporting date and the 2nd the 6 month reportimg period preceding:
  • Seagate 0,72% (0,69%)
  • Toshiba 0,80% (1,15%)
  • Western 1,04% (1,03%)
  • HGST 1,13% 0,60%)
To my eyes, based upon a historical perspective, anything < 22% is great. back in 2013 it was

Toshiba 1,15%
Seagate 1,44% (1,65%)
Western 1,55% (1,44%)
Samsung 2,24% (1,30%)
Hitachi 2,40% (3,45%)
 
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I have never had problem with Seagate drives, i think brand does not matter as long as it's major manufacturer. Mechanical parts wear over time and there is nothing you can do about it
 

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Personally I prefer WD, but I wouldn't have a problem about getting a Seagate HDD for not-so-important use, like games.
 
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I forgot I do have one Seagate drive (ST1000DM003) from 2014 that's seems functional according to SMART. One annoyance I noticed was during writes it would start making a click sound then it would go away. I had it out of storage recently, the SMART values checked out other than the age of the drive. Wasn't making any click sounds this time though.

This drive:
 
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I have never had problem with Seagate drives, i think brand does not matter as long as it's major manufacturer. Mechanical parts wear over time and there is nothing you can do about it

It is worth looking at the failure rates in individual drives ... some models have failure rates as high at 10%. As you can see, Seagate has had the lowest failure rate for a large number of years ... but, it's not by a large margin. Go over to storagereview.com ... they have a user reported database and in it, last time I looked anyway, Seagate has the drive with the lowest failure rate over its lifetime and also the drive with the highest failure rate over its lifetime. Everyone produces a steallar drive and a real bomb every once and a while.

We haven't used a HD going on 9 years or so after switching to SSHDs. The differenco in cost is minimal, the FireCuda is mor than 50% faster than the WD Black which costs significantly more, it has a lower failure rate and same 5 year warranty. Boot time is 0.9 seconds behind the SSD in same box.

In that time ...

-No HDs have failed ... tho not unusual since the ones we have have been set aside for for site backups.
-No SSHDs have field which is surprising
-3 SSDs have failed, one a warranty replacement for one that had previously does. All failures where mor thn 5 years ago in the early days when 120 GB was the norm
 
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My Barracudas (2x80GB, 1x500GB and 1x 1TB) have all failed gracefully and ive been able to backup files after they started making clicking sounds. I have a Seagate Firecuda 2TB now where I keep my valuable files and savegames. I also own a WD Blue 2TB and photos are already getting corrupted although I have a feeling Win 10 is partially to blame.
 
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Cheap and reliable, are not supposed to work together :D

Seagate drive are okay, no problem, where WD has no cheap 7200rpm HDD, except old WD BLue.. All I can say, never trust any storage. IF data is important, copy it somewhere else :)
 

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My brother had a seagate 1tb 3.5, he got a few years out of it. He upgraded his pc and gave me his, and that drive clicked as soon as I powered it up. I’ve only had a couple seagates and they both failed. But so did my wd raptors, and a wd black. I’m not sure it matters who you buy from.. go with the one with the best warranty. I wouldn’t buy seagate though, but that’s just an old prejudice I have. I had important stuff on that drive lol.
 
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last disks to die on me were a pair of 500GB units back when solders were changing. One was RMA and I got a 750GB which lasted more hours than the 500GB it replaced. That 750GB disk was the last one to die in the SATA disks. I did have failures with older EIDE disks and RLL/MFM disks. Modern disks are dramatically more reliable. Racking up 50,000 hours seems to be easy now.
 
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