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These guys are the very best on the planet who have all the resources they need (or can think of) and also who are paid to read everything what's out there... so go figure.... they can probably read pretty much everything what's out there as a communication standard (most likely including stuffs like SSL and whatnot).. so perhaps the only thing what could keep them away (for a while) is something which you make for yourself and only share with the people who you want to communicate with... but that would make you even more suspicious :p
they are the very best, um why i take this part and the following as a huge joke bathed in sarcasme :roll::laugh:
 
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they are the very best, um why i take this part and the following as a huge joke bathed in sarcasme :roll::laugh:
The reality is not what you see in the media, and it's most likely going on a far larger scale than how you might imagine from the leaked-out bits and pieces. They probably have super-secret computational power and technology we have no idea about (secret military stuffs were always ahead of the world's "available" technology level), and they are also virtually have endless budget and resources and hundreds of high skilled hackers to do whatever they want to.. Don't forget that it's "defense" money we are talking about here, they are loaded beyond comprehension, especially now when countries and companies hacking each other on a daily bases just like how we eat breakfast every day.

I know this may sound like a conspiracy theory.. but I would be surprised if we would know more than 10 percent about what is really going on:toast:
 
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The reality is not what you see in the media, and it's most likely going on a far larger scale than how you might imagine from the leaked-out bits and pieces. They probably have super-secret computational power and technology we have no idea about (secret military stuffs were always ahead of the world's "available" technology level), and they are also virtually have endless budget and resources and hundreds of high skilled hackers to do whatever they want to.. Don't forget that it's "defense" money we are talking about here, they are loaded beyond comprehension, especially now when countries and companies hacking each other on a daily bases just like how we eat breakfast every day.

I know this may sound like a conspiracy theory.. but I would be surprised if we would know more than 10 percent about what is really going on:toast:
still i take that following as a huge joke mixed with sarcasme... endless budget super secret ... no wonder the financial state of those land who "suposedly" have access to that, is so good ...

i wouldnt be surprised if the 90% we dont know is just make up and fraud to gather more money and charge people of imaginary guilt.

more or less i dont care about NSA and other of the like as they are merely "financial sink" that could be used more wisely. no i dont intent to give lessons ofc ... just my opinion.
 
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still i take that following as a huge joke mixed with sarcasme... endless budget super secret ... no wonder the financial state of those land who "suposedly" have access to that, is so good ...

i wouldnt be surprised iw the 90% we dont know is just make up and fraud to gather more money and charge people of imaginary guilt.

more or less i dont care about NSA and other of the like as they are merely "financial sink" that could be used more wisely. no i dont intent to give lessons ofc ... just my opinion.
I did not mean to speculate about possible long term strategic objectives and operations to control the world's economy (or whatever conspiracy theorist used to be afraid of), but actual secret military "cyber" operations and techniques you couldn't even link to the NSA let alone find the budget source or the responsible department or company.
The Internet is an absolute must have essential ingredient of our everyday lives and it's pretty much owned by the U.S..... All that data is there, and waiting to be read, analyzed and modified as they see fit... I do think that it's ethically and morally wrong to do such things, but this is "war" after all, and it would be utterly stupid not to take advantage of such a strategic opportunity.
 
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I did not mean to speculate about possible long term strategic objectives and operations to control the world's economy (or whatever conspiracy theorist used to be afraid of), but actual secret military "cyber" operations and techniques you couldn't even link to the NSA let alone find the budget source or the responsible department or company.
The Internet is an absolute must have essential ingredient of our everyday lives and it's pretty much owned by the U.S..... All that data is there, and waiting to be read, analyzed and modified as they see fit... I do think that it's ethically and morally wrong to do such things, but this is "war" after all, and it would be utterly stupid not to take advantage of such a strategic opportunity.
this time i agree.
 

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Actually, that's not accurate, again. The USF's budget is once again much smaller than you are alluding to. In fact, farming gets a monumentally larger portion of US subsidies. Does that mean that the government should be in control of all the food as well?

You are also forgetting that the government doesn't have any money of its own, it was all raised from taxes, or truth be told, borrowed from banksters. The amount they paid came from us, not them. So that train of thought still holds no water.
Farming gets a much larger portion now, but when the telcos and cable companies were putting their networks in place, it was basically being entirely funded by the government.

And the reality is that WE don't have any money, the money we use is manufactured by the government.
 
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Farming gets a much larger portion now, but when the telcos and cable companies were putting their networks in place, it was basically being entirely funded by the government.

And the reality is that WE don't have any money, the money we use is manufactured by the government.
Um, the Federal Reserve isn't part of the government, so that notion of yours is just as misguided as your fabricated public funded communications network.
 

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Um, the Federal Reserve isn't part of the government, so that notion of yours is just as misguided as your fabricated public funded communications network.
Who said anything about the Federal Reserve?
 
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Well, if you don't know who manufactures the money, I'm finished:laugh:
Since it is obvious you don't know who manufactures*the money we use I suggest you look it up. I'll give you a hint, it isn't the Federal Reserve.
 

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my suggestion is to run your own private email server. i have my own (postfix) and all email messages are encrypted using my very own 4092 bit RSA encryption algorithm before being sent out into the wild. it is up to the receiver to unencrypt the message using my program and they must do so offline. that really is the only way to avoid the NSA reading your messages since we have learned about XKeyscore.

Of course you are entitled to privacy. If you want privacy, live entirely off the grid. If you want to use the infrastructure that was mostly paid for by the government, then you give up that privacy when using that infrastructure.
according to the founder's explanation of the 4th amendment you are incorrect. even if all land is considering "owned by the government" the government does not have the right to spy on you unless their is a reasonable belief that you are a danger to society.
 
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Since it is obvious you don't know who manufactures*the money we use I suggest you look it up. I'll give you a hint, it isn't the Federal Reserve.
If you are referring to the mints, you have missed your aim once again. They have zero control over the money value and supply, they just put ink on paper when told. You bore me, unsubbed.
 

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The government has, and is still providing a ton of subsidizes and grants for communication infrastructure. For example: Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP)-

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Rural Utilities Service (RUS) with $7.2 billion to expand access to broadband services in the United States. Of those funds, the Act provided $4.7 billion to NTIA to support the deployment of broadband infrastructure, enhance and expand public computer centers, encourage sustainable adoption of broadband service, and develop and maintain a nationwide public map of broadband service capability and availability. NTIA will make all grant awards by September 30, 2010.
BTW, the Mints only make coins.
 

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If you are referring to the mints, you have missed your aim once again. They have zero control over the money value and supply, they just put ink on paper when told. You bore me, unsubbed.
So you are saying the entity the manufactures the money, puts it in circulation, and removes it from circulation has no control over the supply? Man, you have no clue.
 

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BTW, the Mints only make coins.
Correct, the Department of Treasury, which the mint is part of, manufactures all US money and stamps.
 

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Wrong! Some dude named Jim prints money on the presses that the Department of Treasury has. Don't forget Jim.
 

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always assume somebody is going to read what you write down or hear what you say.
 
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always assume somebody is going to read what you write down or hear what you say.
totaly approved

IE: Facebook isnt dangerous ... only stupidity is, not setting privacy options is one fail(tho its on a server and can be retrieved) and publishing anything and everything is another failure.

aka be innocent or look innocent or you gonna get spanked, oh wait ... nevermind ;)
 

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totaly approved

IE: Facebook isnt dangerous ... only stupidity is, not setting privacy options is one fail(tho its on a server and can be retrieved) and publishing anything and everything is another failure.

aka be innocent or look innocent or you gonna get spanked, oh wait ... nevermind ;)
that's just the thing. if somebody tells you that you shouldn't worry if you have nothing to hide, just tell them that those who look the most innocent will be treated like criminals because their behavior is too good therefore they must be hiding something. just read a little history to see this is the case.
 
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Yes, I know it was obvious, that's why I said it earlier:
they can probably read pretty much everything what's out there as a communication standard (most likely including stuffs like SSL and whatnot)
but looks like they are indeed can read everything, including SSL :
Project Bullrun deals with NSA's abilities to defeat the encryption used in specific network communication technologies. Bullrun involves multiple sources, all of which are extremely sensitive." The document reveals that the agency has capabilities against widely used online protocols, such as HTTPS, voice-over-IP and Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), used to protect online shopping and banking.
 

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always assume somebody is going to read what you write down or hear what you say.
This is the best post on the internet AT THIS MOMENT... NSA EAT THAT SHIT!
 

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my suggestion is to run your own private email server. i have my own (postfix) and all email messages are encrypted using my very own 4092 bit RSA encryption algorithm before being sent out into the wild. it is up to the receiver to unencrypt the message using my program and they must do so offline. that really is the only way to avoid the NSA reading your messages since we have learned about XKeyscore.
they already have your server's root password from back when you ordered the server and received the "your server is setup" email. or entered it on the hosting company's website using an SSL session which they'll just pull out of storage and bruteforce

if you were smart enough to change your password, they'll just subpoena your hosting provider to give them physical access to the machine without you ever knowing

your proposed encryption isn't practical because basically nobody encrypts their email

unless their is a reasonable belief that you are a danger to society.
proposing strange encryption schemes in an online community, under an alias, makes you an instigator? -> danger to society, here is your warrant, sir
 
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they already have your server's root password from back when you ordered the server and received the "your server is setup" email. or entered it on the hosting company's website using an SSL session which they'll just pull out of storage and bruteforce

if you were smart enough to change your password, they'll just subpoena your hosting provider to give them physical access to the machine without you ever knowing

your proposed encryption isn't practical because basically nobody encrypts their email
this is a server in my house. only i know know the password and only i know where the encryption keys are. mail is encryped on the server and then transferred by tls . even if they were able to get onto the server they would only find encrypted messages and wouldn't have the keys since the encryption algorithm is a customized version of RSA. the t RSA shortcuts that the NSA has been using to crack encryption (according to the latest documents leaked) won't work. of course my propesed solution is not practical but it is what it takes if you believe that the government's role isn't to collect data on people and listen in to the conversation or hack their mail accounts.

proposing strange encryption schemes in an online community, under an alias, makes you an instigator? -> danger to society, here is your warrant, sir
you made my point. anyone who tries to protect their privacy is now viewed as a danger to society according to the US government.
 

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this is a server in my house. only i know know the password and only i know where the encryption keys are. mail is encryped on the server and then transferred by tls
where do you send your mail and how can you ensure the receiving end is secure? or are you sending mail around in your basement only? :p

even if you send your mail to your upstream mail provider using TLS, it will end up in the final receiver's inbox as cleartext via SMTP