Cannot upgrade my Windows 10 Build 1909!!!!

Rei · Nov 24, 2020

GeeBee said:
Will do, in my next and most likely... final try.

Wow, take it easy there, Tiger...

Let try explore other avenues that we can think of before giving up so easily. Preferably I would've wanted you to record a video of this then either upload it here or on YouTube to examine the process with our own eyes, if possible.

Even if you can't update your OS, doesn't mean that it's the end of the world. Updating is not mandatory & you can stick with what version you have now & trying every viable solution until it finally works or until we all go batshit crazy...

Athlonite · Nov 24, 2020

Rei said:
trying every viable solution until it finally works or until we all go batshit crazy...

I prefer the method of format C:\ and doing a clean install before getting anywhere near batshit crazy as I said in my last post with all the time spent faffing around trying to figure out nonsensical errors thrown up by MS it just works out faster and less likely to send you batshit crazy territory

Rei · Nov 24, 2020

Athlonite said:
I prefer the method of format C:\ and doing a clean install before getting anywhere near batshit crazy as I said in my last post with all the time spent faffing around trying to figure out nonsensical errors thrown up by MS it just works out faster and less likely to send you batshit crazy territory

Yeah, I was saving that "purge all & do a fresh clean install" solution for last when all other option is exhausted. I guess that is the point when we go batshit crazy & give up & decide to do a clean install.

Bluecarz77 · Nov 24, 2020

I work as a computer Tech, have had this issue many times while trying to upgrade from windows 7, maybe these will work with winodws 10 updates. not sure. Fixes that have worked for me are, download the media creation tool and use a usb stick to upgrade, or try from the website update, Disable or uninstall anti virus, disable firewall, Remove any external hardware (usb devices such as controllers etc) Run disk cleanup, download and run adwcleaner, malwarebytes or eset online scanner, make sure is fully up to date. make sure graphics drivers are updated. Run chkdsk in command prompt, or SFC

Mussels · Nov 25, 2020

now that i've had sleep, the only systems i've seen have issues with windows updgrades fit three categories

1. Actual windows update bugs that are usually well known (like that one with external drives breaking the upgrade)
2. user configured, unusual settings (i'll throw drive encryption in here, fit your own example. weird hardware setups like modded drivers or whatever could also apply)
3.user tweaked OS. debloated W10, disabling services, etc. With W10 i've learned to leave it the hell alone, and i've had zero issues since then. This is not Win 7 where you can tweak for days and disable half the OS.

lexluthermiester · Nov 25, 2020

Mussels said:
With W10 i've learned to leave it the hell alone, and i've had zero issues since then. This is not Win 7 where you can tweak for days and disable half the OS.

And that is one of my biggest problems with Windows 10. I will NEVER leave Windows in it's default configuration. Never fraking ever!

Mussels · Nov 25, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
And that is one of my biggest problems with Windows 10. I will NEVER leave Windows in it's default configuration. Never fraking ever!

Yes, go for it. Tweak the shit out of it - but be aware it may cause issues with updates in the future and you may need to clean install and re-tweak for the major updates.

GeeBee · Nov 25, 2020

Well, the problem ain't Bitlocker either. :mad:

I've actually decrypted the drive - not just disabling it temporarily.

Same shite. Blue screen with "MEMORY MANAGEMENT" and the typical crappy, inane "0xC1900101 - 0x30017" sort of M$ monstrosity.

I quit basically.

Cheers lads

Rei · Nov 25, 2020

GeeBee said:
Well, the problem ain't Bitlocker either.

I've actually decrypted the drive - not just disabling it temporarily.

Same shite. Blue screen with "MEMORY MANAGEMENT" and the typical crappy, inane "0xC1900101 - 0x30017" sort of M$ monstrosity.

I quit basically.

Cheers lads

Well, I won't force your hand if you decide to give up.
Out of curiosity, what will you do next, now that issue has gone stalemate?
As I mentioned earlier, updating is NOT a must. You can just not update & Win10 won't brick itself if you don't.
Also I just found out that the new Win10 update 20H2 has an in-place/repair upgrade bug, so we will have to wait till Microsoft releases a fix for it.

GeeBee · Nov 25, 2020

Rei said:
Well, I won't force your hand if you decide to give up.
Out of curiosity, what will you do next, now that issue has gone stalemate?

I'll stick with 1909. It works fine with a ton of apps of devices installed. Which ironically is my problem. One of them is causing it, but I have no idea which one.

I can't be asked to start all over and sort of be in the same position is 6 months time.

M$ clearly ain't Apple. That's for sure.

Cheers for the ask. :toast:

lexluthermiester · Nov 25, 2020

GeeBee said:
I'll stick with 1909. It works fine with a ton of apps of devices installed. Which ironically is my problem. One of them is causing it, but I have no idea which one.

I can't be asked to start all over and sort of be in the same position is 6 months time.

M$ clearly ain't Apple. That's for sure.

Cheers for the ask.

Apps from the App Store? If so LTSC is not your next move as Edge and the App Store are not present in LTSC.

Hachi_Roku256563 · Nov 25, 2020

Bruh thats not microsoft they dont have to test windows on every piece of software Thats the software developers job

RodClutcher · Nov 25, 2020

if it makes you feel better i had to do a clean install to 20H2 from 1909.
in my case i think it was because i cloned my c drive to a new one and it had something to do with a partition issue

Caring1 · Nov 26, 2020

GeeBee said:
Well, the problem ain't Bitlocker either.

I've actually decrypted the drive - not just disabling it temporarily.

Same shite. Blue screen with "MEMORY MANAGEMENT" and the typical crappy, inane "0xC1900101 - 0x30017" sort of M$ monstrosity.

I quit basically.

Cheers lads

That sounds like a Lenovo laptop the owners had issue with, it would crash and blue screen and throw up random errors of varying codes as well as memory management.
I ended up changing the Ram even though the existing sticks tested fine and the system is still running as far as I know.

Mussels · Nov 26, 2020

I vote backup and clean install

GeeBee · Nov 26, 2020

Caring1 said:
That sounds like a Lenovo laptop the owners had issue with, it would crash and blue screen and throw up random errors of varying codes as well as memory management.
I ended up changing the Ram even though the existing sticks tested fine and the system is still running as far as I know.

No, it's my own build. Gigabyte Z390 Extreme, a Seasonic Titanium ps, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO mem kits (tested with Memtest86+) and so on and so forth.

As I said, if the installer checks if all the drivers are signed, then it will fail. I have none with a yellow exclamation mark and all devices function properly. However, I'm pretty sure quite a few did not go through the verification process with M$. My Asus Essence STX II, for instance.

Which is pretty ridiculous, if you ask me. Go do your fucking job M$, do a proper check in the driver inventory of the system and prompt to the user accordingly. But as Jay says, I digress.

Cheers

Hachi_Roku256563 · Nov 26, 2020

GeeBee said:
Go do your fucking job M$, do a proper check in the driver inventory

Wait you think that microsft has acess to every piece software
Its their job to veify it with microsoft
This is really annoying me its not microsofts fault

GeeBee · Nov 26, 2020

I'm talking about drivers explicitly, not every piece of software out there.

Mussels · Nov 26, 2020

GeeBee said:
No, it's my own build. Gigabyte Z390 Extreme, a Seasonic Titanium ps, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO mem kits (tested with Memtest86+) and so on and so forth.

As I said, if the installer checks if all the drivers are signed, then it will fail. I have none with a yellow exclamation mark and all devices function properly. However, I'm pretty sure quite a few did not go through the verification process with M$. My Asus Essence STX II, for instance.

Which is pretty ridiculous, if you ask me. Go do your fucking job M$, do a proper check in the driver inventory of the system and prompt to the user accordingly. But as Jay says, I digress.

Cheers

you didnt think to mention you've got a broken driver, this entire time? that's totally going to be your issue

GeeBee · Nov 26, 2020

It's not broken for chrissakes! All I'm saying is that it's probably not signed.

Are you with me or not? :confused:

rtwjunkie · Nov 26, 2020

Mussels said:
now that i've had sleep, the only systems i've seen have issues with windows updgrades fit three categories

1. Actual windows update bugs that are usually well known (like that one with external drives breaking the upgrade)
2. user configured, unusual settings (i'll throw drive encryption in here, fit your own example. weird hardware setups like modded drivers or whatever could also apply)
3.user tweaked OS. debloated W10, disabling services, etc. With W10 i've learned to leave it the hell alone, and i've had zero issues since then. This is not Win 7 where you can tweak for days and disable half the OS.

I’ll add one other category: Avast! I left it behind after 15 years and all my W10 upgrade problems were solved.

Mussels said:
Yes, go for it. Tweak the shit out of it - but be aware it may cause issues with updates in the future and you may need to clean install and re-tweak for the major updates.

It certainly doesn’t hurt every 3 upgrades to do a fresh install anyway.

SomeOne99h · Nov 26, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
Apps from the App Store? If so LTSC is not your next move as Edge and the App Store are not present in LTSC.

Hehehe .. Actually you can hehehe

Add Microsoft Store to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC

GitHub - kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore: Add Windows Store for LTSC

Add Windows Store for LTSC. Contribute to kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I installed LTSC before, and it worked ^-^

lexluthermiester · Nov 26, 2020

Isaac` said:
Bruh thats not microsoft they dont have to test windows on every piece of software Thats the software developers job

Isaac` said:
This is really annoying me its not microsofts fault

Utter rubbish that! It is absolutely Microsoft's responsibility to test changes they make to the driver subsystem of the OS, which they have not been doing.

SomeOne99h said:
Hehehe .. Actually you can hehehe

Add Microsoft Store to Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC

GitHub - kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore: Add Windows Store for LTSC

Add Windows Store for LTSC. Contribute to kkkgo/LTSC-Add-MicrosoftStore development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I installed LTSC before, and it worked ^-^

But why would you? The whole point of using LTSC would be to NOT to have all that crap..

GeeBee said:
It's not broken for chrissakes! All I'm saying is that it's probably not signed.

Are you with me or not?

Mussels is TPU Staff and as such a fair busy guy. Don't think he had a chance to read through the whole thread. I'm with you. Microsoft needs to stop changing things every time the wind changes and when they do make a change they need to COMPLETELY test those changes for compatibility.

SomeOne99h · Nov 26, 2020

It won't hardcorely integrate itself with the OS as it does originally with the other versions. And you can disable auto-update apps from the app GUI and then you can disable it from running in the background in apps settings. This way, you can get the apps from the store without it unnecessary running and taking resources. Sometimes you might want to get some apps from it ^-^.

lexluthermiester · Nov 26, 2020

SomeOne99h said:
It won't hardcorely integrate itself with the OS as it does originally with the other versions. And you can disable auto-update apps from the app GUI and then you can disable it from running in the background in apps settings. This way, you can get the apps from the store without it unnecessary running and taking resources. Sometimes you might want to get some apps from it ^-^.

Interesting. I'll have to look into that.

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