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I need some help finding a mainboard. This is what I need:
  • ITX
  • Supports Ryzen 3000 series CPUs
  • 2x PCIe (NVMe) M.2 sockets (doesn't downgrad the PCIe x16 slot when both M.2 sockets are in use)
  • 1x rear panel S/PDIF
I don't necessarily need PCIe 4.0 support so I'll take any chipset (B450, X570, whatever). Looks don't matter at all.

To my astonishment I can't seem to find anything that fits these simple requirements. Can somebody help?
 
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I use mITX board Asus ROG strix B450-I gaming. It's well decked out and super compact. Supports ALL Ryzen chips. The only draw back is that it only has one M.2 slot. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-I-GAMING/

It's a badass board. That's all you need to know.
All asus strix itx board got 2 M.2 slot, the second is on the back (pci-e only).
For S/PDIF however you won't find any...(unless you want to give up on the 2nd M.2 and use Biostar).
Or you can wait for the rog crosshair impact to be released. But I doubt it'll be cheap, (and it's actually a DTX board, so it might not fit in all itx cases)
 
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I need some help finding a mainboard. This is what I need:
  • ITX
  • Supports Ryzen 3000 series CPUs
  • 2x PCIe (NVMe) M.2 sockets (no downgrade of PCIe x16 socket when both M.2 sockets are in use)
  • 1x rear panel S/PDIF
I don't necessarily need PCIe 4.0 support so I'll take any chipset (B450, X570, whatever). Looks don't matter at all.

To my astonishment I can't seem to find anything that fits these simple requirements. Can somebody help?
There simply is not a single mini-ITX board out there in X570, X470 or B450 that meets all of those requirements.

The ASUS boards that have two M.2 slots from the 400-series chipset generation will downgrade PCIe x16 to x8 when the rear slot is in use. And they don't have S/PDIF.

The boards that do have S/PDIF do not have two M.2 slots.

Your only bet if S/PDIF is a must is to pick another form factor, sacrifice your second M.2, or hope that the ROG Impact comes out soon and it's priced barely within the realm of reason. That's a mini-DTX board.

But if you are willing to sacrifice one of those things, I think a X570I Aorus or X570 Phantom TB3 would both be fine choices. The Gigabyte gives you both fully utilized M.2 slots and a backplate without S/PDIF, and the ASRock gives you the S/PDIF with 1 M.2 slot. Both have very well-built Vcore-side VRMs this time around (I think the Aorus has the edge with the snazzy TDA21472s).
 
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I need some help finding a mainboard. This is what I need:
  • ITX
  • Supports Ryzen 3000 series CPUs
  • 2x PCIe (NVMe) M.2 sockets (no downgrade of PCIe x16 socket when both M.2 sockets are in use)
  • 1x rear panel S/PDIF
I don't necessarily need PCIe 4.0 support so I'll take any chipset (B450, X570, whatever). Looks don't matter at all.

To my astonishment I can't seem to find anything that fits these simple requirements. Can somebody help?
You wont as there is no Ryzen 2 CPU. Though there is Ryzen 3/5/7/9.
 
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You wont as there is no Ryzen 2 CPU. Though there is Ryzen 3/5/7/9.
Maybe he means Ryzen Athlon.... wait what?

Ryzen 3000 series Cpu is what he wants to run I believe.
 
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might want to consider bumping up to microatx for those specs. You could still put it in a very small case...
 
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AMD Matx boards suck. I say this as an owner of a x570 matx board.
 

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You have made the common mistake of assuming your experience is the same as everyone elses.
Actually, it's not an assumption on his part. AM4 mATX boards almost universally have garbage-tier Vcore VRM design. That's not to say it's not the norm, as mATX boards regardless of socket, chipset or generation simply tend to be the bargain basement SKUs for vendors, who subsequently put their cheapest shit on it. Whereas mini-ITX AM4 boards of B450/X470/X570 breed almost always have acceptable to outstanding power delivery, and ATX boards range from crappy to overkill^2, mATX begin at terrible and generally end at mediocre.

That being said, they will be fine if you're just trying to push a 2700X/3700X and want the feature sets outlined in the OP, as well as maybe a few extra USB ports. As long as you're not trying to break through Ryzen 3000's frequency wall or attempting to sustain a 3900X or 3950X, you'll be just fine.

If you don't specifically need ITX for purposes such as fitting into a Pelican case for travel, it's probably best to step up to mATX, as it will give you the features you can't get simultaneously on mITX. Cases such as the Cerberus are perfect for making the most of space efficiency with a micro-ATX board.
 
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Thank you all for your helpful replies. Unfortunately you've confirmed what I had trouble believing.

I've built my own compact mITX case which I'd really prefer not to give up. However, it seems to me there is no reason why this should only work using a larger mainboard. In fact, I'd argue a smaller motherboard with fewer I/O ports is exactly where this should work best. This is my thinking:

Using AM4 (24 lanes) + X570 (16 lanes) we have in total 40 PCIe lanes. 8 of those lanes can be subtracted as they are used to implement the interconnect between CPU and chipset. This leaves in total 32 PCIe lanes to do something useful with. The typical breakdown looks something like this:



On this diagram, the x570 chipset has 12 PCIe lanes to share between SATA, LAN, WiFi, USB and often a second M.2 socket. On larger mainboards (like the ROG Strix X570-E), those 12 PCIe lanes are enough to hook up all their I/O options and a second M.2 slot, which when used doesn't degrade anything else. On an ITX mainboard, with fewer I/O options, achieving that should actually be easier. That is why this makes no sense to me.

Am I missing something?
 
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Nevaa! ;)

Well, I've found two ITX boards that somewhat meet my requirements:
  • Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ac
  • Supermicro C9Z390-CG-IW
Both have two M.2 sockets that don't degrade the PCIe x16 slot, but force me back to intel. If for some arcane reason I can't get that from AMD, I'll likely have no choice :mad:
 
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Nevaa! ;)

Well, I've found the "Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ac". It supports two M.2 sockets that don't degrade the PCIe x16 slot. If for some arcane reason I can't get that from AMD, I'll likely go back to Intel :mad:
That's a really nice board too. Love Asrock boards. What case are you going to be building your new monster in?

VRMs look a bit sparse though.
 
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Nevaa! ;)

Well, I've found two ITX boards that somewhat meet my requirements:
  • Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ac
  • Supermicro C9Z390-CG-IW
Both have two M.2 sockets that don't degrade the PCIe x16 slot, but force me back to intel. If for some arcane reason I can't get that from AMD, I'll likely have no choice :mad:
Just get something that meets your requirements, and don't worry about Intel vs. AMD. For practical use cases, you'll be fine with either. Yes, the 2700X is heavily discounted now that the 3000s are out, which makes it quite the steal, but if zero AM4 ITX boards can make you happy, what's the point? Forget the marketing words like 5GHz and 7nm and just focus on what you want in a board.

As for AM4 upgradeability, I'd say you'd still want to wait until Zen 3 or at least the waning days of Zen 2 production, when yields, quality and firmware are going to be better than they are now.

The Z390 Phantom Gaming looks okay, has what you've listed save for being AMD. The VRM looks to be a 5+2, with some really strong 60A Smart Power Stage SKUs from Fairchild on the Vcore side. Slightly smaller heatsink, but it is heatpiped to the M.2/PCH one which is in turn a bit bigger than normal. You also get 6 Type-As and 1 Type-C for 7 total rear USBs, whereas AM4 ITX always tops out at 6 as a rule.

I feel you on the case side. I just ordered a C14S for lower temps and found that it just won't fit, not only needing special 120mm fan clips but also because the placement of the B450I PGA1331 socket is too high up and won't allow the M1 top panel to fit properly. On the other hand, I just can't bring myself to part with the M1 after all this time.
 

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I built the case myself.

The case is a bit wider than a GPU is tall. The GPU(s) reside at the bottom, with the cooler facing downward (up to three slots wide). My main GPU is water cooled, so where the GPU blower would have been there is room to mount other things (like 3.5" HDDs or a second GPU (in addition to my main GPU, I've also got a low-end nVidia Quadro installed, which is why the PCIe x16 slot may not be degraded). The GPUs aren't slotted into the mainboard, but into PCIe slots that are mounted to the bottom-right side of the internal frame. On top the case holds a 2x140mm radiator, mounted above two 140mm fans. The mainboard is mounted vertically between the GPU and the top fans along the case's center axis (red line). A PCIe riser cable connects the GPU(s) to the mainboard. All cables are run behind the mainboard tray, where there is also room for four 2.5 drives (green lines), a pump and the reservoir. Front panel IO and power switch is in a cutout at the bottom front (I flat out stole the ncase M1 design).

The top fans pull air over the mainboard (on the left) and up between the 2.5" drives (on the right) and exhaust it through the radiator at the top.

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Anyway, thanks for the help guys. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't hallucinating or missing something obvious.

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I'm not too worried about upgradeability. As long as it does what I need it to do now I'm okay with buying something completely new in two or three years. For work I can use as many cores as I can get my hands on, which is why I would have preferred AMD over Intel, but the other two requirements are more important.
 
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How much space do you have? The Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Impact might fit and it would seem that it's close to being launched, as Asus has sent out media samples.
It's a mini-DTX board though, so it's 170x203mm (WxD), vs 170x170mm for mini-ITX.
Optical S/PDIF only though. The SSDs goes on a special raiser card.

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I built the case myself.

The case is a bit wider than a GPU is tall. The GPU(s) reside at the bottom, with the cooler facing downward (up to three slots wide). My main GPU is water cooled, so where the cooler would have been there is room to mount other things (like 3.5" HDDs or a second GPU (in addition to my main GPU, I've also got a low-end nVidia Quadro installed, which is why the PCIe x16 slot may not be degraded). The GPUs aren't slotted into the mainboard, but into PCIe slots that are mounted to the bottom-right side of the internal frame. On top the case holds a 2x140mm radiator, mounted above two 140mm fans. The mainboard is mounted vertically between the GPU and the top fans along the case's center axis (red line). A PCIe riser cable connects the GPU(s) to the mainboard. All cables are run behind the mainboard tray, where there is also room for four 2.5 drives (green lines), a pump and the reservoir. Front panel IO and power switch is in a cutout at the bottom front (I flat out stole the ncase M1 design).

The top fans pull air over the mainboard (on the left) and up between the 2.5" drives (on the right) and exhaust it through the radiator at the top.

Anyway, thanks for the help guys. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't hallucinating or missing something obvious.

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I'm not too worried about upgradeability. As long as it does what I need it to do now I'm okay with buying something completely new in two or three years. For work I can use as many cores as I can get my hands on, which is why I would have preferred AMD over Intel, but the other two requirements are more important.
That's a very cool case. But see, having a custom layout is why I was hesitant to recommend you wait for the C7I, because I'm having trouble visualizing what the case looks like inside from a description alone, lol. It seems like there is room for a DTX board in there, then?

I don't know where you are located; I was just judging based on availability of X570 ITX here - read: complete ass. The only one available is the Aorus and even that one is usually out of stock, the TB3 showed up then disappeared, the Strix is nowhere to be found, and the Impact obviously not released yet. It may be different for you.

If having more cores is important enough, and you end up waiting for the 3950X anyways, the wait for the Impact may not be a problem. It is the only AMD board smaller than mATX to tick all your boxes.

Also, welcome to TPU! :lovetpu:
 
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I've been in the same boat as OP. I did not even want SPDIF, just two M.2 NVMe ports on an ITX board.
There are ASUS Strix boards (B350/B450/X370/X470) and Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro Wifi. There used to be a 300-series board from ASRock but I can't find it any more and it's probably EOL.
As detailed above, Strix boards will degrade the PCI-e x16 slot to x8 when second M.2 is in use.
This only left X570 Aorus Pro, which at that time was even more expensive than it is now and chipset fan is WTF.

My computer is in Dan A4-SFX. Did not want the 2.5" drives and the associated cables in it and 2xM.2 drives has been a good solution so far.
Eventually, I gave up on AM4 for my box both due to lack of a motherboard and also due to TDP/Power (both C7 Cu and Black Ridge can cool down 65W, 70W max) but that is a different story.
I will remain on my Strix Z370-I Gaming for the foreseeable future.
 
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I use mITX board Asus ROG strix B450-I gaming. It's well decked out and super compact. Supports ALL Ryzen chips. The only draw back is that it only has one M.2 slot. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-I-GAMING/

It's a badass board. That's all you need to know.
I have that board. Its got two M.2s, although one halves the GPU slots bandwidth... and its got no SPDIF.
Great board i'm happy with, but does notmeet his requirements at all

I gave up and just took the GPU bandwidth loss for the 2nd slot, and use a USB soundcard with optical out
 

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That's a very cool case. But see, having a custom layout is why I was hesitant to recommend you wait for the C7I, because I'm having trouble visualizing what the case looks like inside from a description alone, lol. It seems like there is room for a DTX board in there, then?
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Thanks

Unfortunately, no, it's strictly ITX-only. :( Otherwise the C7I would definitely be the one for me.

I don't have any pictures that clearly depict the inside layout, except for this pre-pre-pre production render. It looks nothing like this, but you can take from it the positioning of the GPU (PCIe bracket and board shown), specifically how it resides below the mainboard and doesn't plug directly into it, which is usually what most people have trouble visualizing. CPU and main GPU are water cooled, which is why I don't need any fan space above the CPU.

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Where I live Aorus and Strix are available. Currently no other ITX offerings. However, I'm not under pressure to purchase this second. I was even contemplating waiting for B550 boards to be released. However, without understanding why AMD ITX mainboards can't provide two M.2 sockets without degrading the PCIe x16 slot, I have no reasons to assume the B550 boards will fare any better, so I guess I might as well go with what I can get now or "soonish" (like the Z390 offerings).
 
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