Can't Manufacturers implement a system to check what is being run to prevent miners?

[de.das.dude]

Something like a security check that checks and prevents gaming cards from running mining software/algorithms.

Wont they be able to do something like this just from the type of load the GPU is running? i.e. high core load for long periods of time?

im seriously pissed because i need to upgrade my HD7790 to something new but everything costs atleast 2x as much , that too if they are available.

 

[Sempron Guy]

why would they do that?

 

[BiggieShady]

why would they do that?

Because they hate money of course ... silly question

 

[Countryside]

You are not the only one whos pissed and answer to you question is no because of profit.

So only thing is to wait for the market to cool down. I also want to upgrade my gpu to 570 but i wont at the moment.

 

[Vya Domus]

I think there are technical reasons , you can't prevent people from running whatever the hell code they want on their hardware . They might be able to prevent some software being run through the driver according to some specific signatures but it wouldn't be effective at all.

I totally understand your idea , it would be a good idea to have specific cards that can run mining software. However it's unfair to prevent people from using their hardware in whatever way they want. I mean what if you write some software for GPU acceleration that has nothing to do with mining and it gets picked up by the driver because it uses the hardware in a similar way and it would stop it from being run , you'd be pissed.

Bottom of the line is , this is unfeasible.

 

[blobster21]

I'm not a miner, i'm quite to opposed to it actually, but it's all too convenient to put ALL the blames on miners. This gpu shortage and high prices are a combination of differents factors.

As with everything else, it's not only black and white.

 

[Vayra86]

The only real fix is eliminating the way cryptocurrency is 'mined'.

This means of distribution of currency is fundamentally flawed, extremely wasteful, and completely counters the current movement towards lowering the ecological footprint of our needs and wants. People are just burning energy for personal gain, in its rawest and purest form.

I could give two shits about the price of my once-in-awhile GPU purchase - in fact, the very fact that people are so worried about just that price inflation, is the perfect example of why the miners keep mining. You're all hypocrites.

 

[Countryside]

The only real fix is eliminating the way cryptocurrency is 'mined'.

This means of distribution of currency is fundamentally flawed, extremely wasteful, and completely counters the current movement towards lowering the ecological footprint of our needs and wants. People are just burning energy for personal gain, in its rawest and purest form.

I could give two shits about the price of my once-in-awhile GPU purchase - in fact, the very fact that people are so worried about just that price inflation, is the perfect example of why the miners keep mining. You're all hypocrites.

 

[R-T-B]

There is no way to differntinate mining from generic gaming compute.

This is why the answer is not that simple.

/thread

EDIT: Not to say I don't feel your pain as a gamer, I just get tired of repeating the same statement. The problem is a difficult one. It's not to say there is not a problem, however.

 

[yotano211]

Something like a security check that checks and prevents gaming cards from running mining software/algorithms.

Wont they be able to do something like this just from the type of load the GPU is running? i.e. high core load for long periods of time?

im seriously pissed because i need to upgrade my HD7790 to something new but everything costs atleast 2x as much , that too if they are available.

no

 

[Countryside]

There is no way to differntinate mining from generic gaming compute.

This is why the answer is not that simple.

/thread

EDIT: Not to say I don't feel your pain as a gamer, I just get tired of repeating the same statement. The problem is a difficult one. It's not to say there is not a problem, however.

Don't forget we all are hypocrites.

 

[Vayra86]

Don't forget we all are hypocrites.

Surely you can see the point. We want to prevent miners making money, not because its bad for the world, but because our own purchase becomes harder. Just like the miners, all we care about is ourselves. We even go so far as to say 'stop them using the product for that', just so we can get a small discount on a sale price - mind you, a questionable discount, because by the time the storm's subsided, odds are we're looking at a new GPU gen.

I'm sorry but I just like being the devil's advocate. The bottom line really is what it is, we're all selfish at the core when we complain about miners.

 

[Countryside]

Surely you can see the point. We want to prevent miners making money, not because its bad for the world, but because our own purchase becomes harder. Just like the miners, all we care about is ourselves. We even go so far as to say 'stop them using the product for that', just so we can get a small discount on a sale price.

I'm sorry but I just like being the devil's advocate. The bottom line really is what it is, we're all selfish at the core when we complain about miners.

Oky i hear ya but its incorrect to say all people are...., now why would i want to prevent miners making money it makes no sense and i do not only care about myself i care about a lot of things including my clients who are in a way suffering because of the situation in the current gpu market and what has caused this situation well i think you know the answer to that.

And for the bad for world part mining is a small dot compared to other things that are bad for this world.

 

[qubit]

The short answer is no and the others have explained the reason why. I get your annoyance though.

 

[the54thvoid]

There is no way to differntinate mining from generic gaming compute.

This is why the answer is not that simple.

/thread

EDIT: Not to say I don't feel your pain as a gamer, I just get tired of repeating the same statement. The problem is a difficult one. It's not to say there is not a problem, however.

Did the mining coding not change a while back? I know very little about it but did the specialist ASIC systems not suffer because of it, pushing a greater drive towards GPUs?

Found this:

Over the past few years, ASIC hardware built specifically for mining has become the next big thing, but newer hashing algorithms, like Ethereum's DaggerHashimoto or ZCash's Equihash, have made GPU mining profitable again. These newer hashing algorithms are somewhat resistant to ASIC hardware, plus it takes time to build an ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit) that will work well.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think the better solution is to bundle gaming graphics cards with other hardware gamers would want to use like monitors and VR systems. You'll end up paying a lot more for a graphics card (making it unappealing to miners) but you'll at least be getting two (or more) devices for suggested retail price.

 

[Countryside]

I think the better solution is to bundle gaming graphics cards with other hardware gamers would want to use like monitors and VR systems. You'll end up paying a lot more for a graphics card (making it unappealing to miners) but you'll at least be getting two (or more) devices for suggested retail price.

Correct me if im wrong but didnt They already try that with Vega and the funny thing was that all these bundles were out of stock before the standalone cards and also these bundles were sold @1900-2000$

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No, the bundles are still in stock, the standalone cards are not (at least not at retail prices).

 

[Countryside]

No, the bundles are still in stock, the standalone cards are not (at least not at retail prices).

Yep now they are but a while back all the bundles where out of stock but i found standalone Vegas for sale and this was in Newegg.

So that was an interesting thing to see.

 

[RejZoR]

why would they do that?

Warranty abuse. Also, second hand buyers could check what the card was used and how it was abused.

I'm frankly all for it. What, are you afraid that you won't be able to use RMA on a mining card that wasn't ever meant to do such compute or not bing able to sell it second hand?

 

[Countryside]

Warranty abuse. Also, second hand buyers could check what the card was used and how it was abused.

I'm frankly all for it. What, are you afraid that you won't be able to use RMA on a mining card that wasn't ever meant to do such compute or not bing able to sell it second hand?

And its something we see already a lot of gpus getting dumped & sold second hand.

 

[Leothelesser]

Why can't they make more cards!

Up production of 580/570s that only use DDR5 and answer the market.

I'm sure a Phone maker experiencing sustained selling out of a product would ramp up production to meet demand over time.

 

[qubit]

Warranty abuse. Also, second hand buyers could check what the card was used and how it was abused.

I'm frankly all for it. What, are you afraid that you won't be able to use RMA on a mining card that wasn't ever meant to do such compute or not bing able to sell it second hand?

Yes, exactly that.

I should be able to do what I want with my card - including abusing it - and not have to justify it to a prospective second hand buyer as it's none of their business. Buyer beware applies here and is a risk one takes when buying used. Reliability of used products, which would tend to have issues and a shorter lifetime even with normal use, let alone any dodgy selling, is why I seldom buy used.

Now, if that prospective buyer asks if the card has been overclocked and/or used for mining, it's up to the seller whether they reply honestly, which I think they should, even if they can get away with it. Not telling a complete history is not the same as outright lying, which I don't condone.

For the record, I don't do any mining and hardly ever overclock my cards. Been meaning to overclock my bad boy Zotac GTX 1080 Amp! Extreme though.

 

[newtekie1]

Bottom of the line is , this is unfeasible.

The fact is, it is entirely feasible and has been done in the past. In the past, AMD(or maybe it was ATI at the time) implemented code right in their driver that detected certain activity and purposely reduced the performance of the card. Shortly after nVidia started doing the same thing. Both manufacturers work constantly to implement optimizations to the drivers for certain programs and activity, the exact opposite could be done. Though miners would just end up using older drivers as a, at least temporary, work around.

But the reality is that AMD and nVidia are making a lot of profit from miners. With AMD actually just releasing a mining optimized beta driver. And AMD, especially, is not in the position to turn away profit right now.

And its something we see already a lot of gpus getting dumped & sold second hand.

That is more concerning to me than the slightly inflated prices we are seeing right now. We are going to start seeing cards that have been abused hit the used market. Cards that have run 24/7 at max load for a year or more in conditions that are less than ideal(usually packed pretty tight with multiple GPUs so airflow isn't the best and components start to get hot). And most miners are greedy and won't tell the buyer the card has been used for mining. So you get cards with components that don't last as long, and the buyer things they are getting a good deal, only to have a component burn up on them shortly after they buy it. Sadly, this happened the last time the mining craze hit, and I foresee it happening again.

 

[Countryside]

Yes, exactly that.

I should be able to do what I want with my card - including abusing it - and not have to justify it to a prospective second hand buyer as it's none of their business. Buyer beware applies here and is a risk one takes when buying used. Reliability of used products, which would tend to have issues and a shorter lifetime even with normal use, let alone any dodgy selling, is why I seldom buy used.

Now, if that prospective buyer asks if the card has been overclocked and/or used for mining, it's up to the seller whether they reply honestly, which I think they should, even if they can get away with it. Not telling a complete history is not the same as outright lying, which I don't condone.

For the record, I don't do any mining and hardly ever overclock my cards. Been meaning to overclock my bad boy Zotac GTX 1080 Amp! Extreme though.

But not telling is hiding the fact that it has been abused and in the right mind you will not buy that gpu.