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Can't oc my ryzen 5 2600x to + 4.0ghhz

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Dropped it right back to 3.7 once done and dropped CPU voltage back to 1.21v's because thermals are good with that voltage used and it seems to like it that way so.... I just go with it.
My 2600X does 3,708 MHz at 1.10v with the base clock at 103 MHz with the DDR4 overclocked to 3300 MHz (divder set for 3200 MHz.) Thought it would be an interesting excursion to see what happens with XFR/PBO disabled. Doesn't hurt performance that much other than single thread performance drops to 424 in CPU-Z benchmark.
 
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Yeah, when you start heading past 1.36v's it gets warm so....
You may have just hit the limit with it and do remember you're on air, not water and many run these on water and still fail to get a true 4.2 clock for everyday use.
A good AIO is an option and I'd get one with at least a triple (3 fan) setup if you do or just do a custom watercooling setup.
 
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God, what happend to putting some time, investment and actual reading into oc'ing. You just cant dial in a voltage and a multiplier and call it a day. Overclocking was all about tweaking. Finding the upper limit. Taking HOURS of testing and messing around before you could even call it a succesfull overclock.

Start with the basics. Keep the voltage on stock. Up the multiplier one tad and start testing. If safe repeat. If crash occurs try to increase voltage with only one or two steps. Is it stable? Good, repeat increasing multiplier and retest. It's not so difficult as it seems. It's just time consuming and you are looking for a easy way out.

You have to work this way anyway, since your working with AIR and air has a much higher overal temperature compared to a watercooling setup. It's the best and most effective way going step by step by step.
 
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The asus mb was one of the cheapest asus boards and generally also one of the cheapest with an optical output, im not gonna run it at 4.1ghz or 4.2ghz (if it will do that) on all cores,threads at 100% load.

It's for gaming so i have an as fast,good gaming experince as possible and for that with a ryzen cpu i have to run it at more than 4ghz, i never extreme oc


God, what happend to putting some time, investment and actual reading into oc'ing. You just cant dial in a voltage and a multiplier and call it a day. Overclocking was all about tweaking. Finding the upper limit. Taking HOURS of testing and messing around before you could even call it a succesfull overclock.

Start with the basics. Keep the voltage on stock. Up the multiplier one tad and start testing. If safe repeat. If crash occurs try to increase voltage with only one or two steps. Is it stable? Good, repeat increasing multiplier and retest. It's not so difficult as it seems. It's just time consuming and you are looking for a easy way out.

You have to work this way anyway, since your working with AIR and air has a much higher overal temperature compared to a watercooling setup. It's the best and most effective way going step by step by step.


I haven't had the mb,cpu,ram,gpu combination that long, so i haven't yet found it's limit.

My cpu can run at 4.1 ghz with 1.38750 volt, so at 4.0 ghz i should easily be able to run at lower vcore, above 4ghz is what i think i should run my cpu at to get the best gpu utilization (rtz 2060 strix oc i will keep it stock since it's sooo amazingly silent,quiet when gaming)

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Yeah, when you start heading past 1.36v's it gets warm so....
You may have just hit the limit with it and do remember you're on air, not water and many run these on water and still fail to get a true 4.2 clock for everyday use.
A good AIO is an option and I'd get one with at least a triple (3 fan) setup if you do or just do a custom watercooling setup.


What is the max safe 24/7 vcore?

As already mentioned some say 1.36 volt some say stress test the cpu at stock speed,vcore and there your max voltage, mabye 1 or 2 down since stock it might be a little high to make shure ithe cpu is getting enough juice and not crashing also it's not 4.0, 4.1 or 4.2 ghz on all cores at stock settings, right ?

I know how to use google,youtube but if there is any one that have seen a video with a Rtx 2060 or faster (1080p) with a ryzen 5 2600X at difference ghz mabye stock and 4.2ghz on all cores i wouldn't mind seeing it.
 
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Tried to oc my ryzen 5 2600x to 4.1 ghz on all cores but sort of failed just by changing multiplier to 41, changing vcore, loadline calibration, setting vddr cpu and soc current capability to 120-130%,changing cpu,soc power phase control to extreme, it failed in ibt (setting vcore and the power phase control,soc,cpu current capability to more normal values and 4ghz it ran ibt fine)

I was hoping for 4.2ghz on all cores at max 1.4 volt.

I run flare x 3200 mhz cl 14 at 2400mhz since they are not on the qvl list and i havn't gotten them to run 3200mhz cl 14

I have ordered Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 C15 BK DC - 16GB only 12x 3200mhz ram on the qvl list Min 87x 3000mhz on the qvl list 4x 2933mhz ram on the qvl list (LOL) and i sold my 3200mhz cl 14 ram so i didn't have to pay anything to get new ram, because of the high number of 300mhz rma on the qvl list i bought that.

I can imagine my ram won't let me run 4.1ghz 100% stable but also that it shouldn't make a difference since it must be some setting for my cpu, i mean it boost fine at stock aut vcore and cpu on aut so the bios desides how high it goes in ghz, in theory it should be able to run at 4.20 ghz on all cores, just with higher vcore and more heat, right?

What am i doing wrong?

I have to ask - Why for example do you have the SOC current capability set so high?
That's the same basic thing as running DIGI settings too high and making your VRM's get hot in the process - With my Sabertooth 2.0 for example I NEVER had to run anything above 110% period and that was running it for extreme OC'ing with subzero cooling for 6GHz+ runs.
When you increase current to components you will make them run hotter - That's just how it is and I'll say it plainly, looks like some of the trouble you're having is being caused by the settings you're using, at least to an extent here.

The asus mb was one of the cheapest asus boards and generally also one of the cheapest with an optical output, im not gonna run it at 4.1ghz or 4.2ghz (if it will do that) on all cores,threads at 100% load.

It's for gaming so i have an as fast,good gaming experince as possible and for that with a ryzen cpu i have to run it at more than 4ghz, i never extreme oc

I haven't had the mb,cpu,ram,gpu combination that long, so i haven't yet found it's limit.

Noted a few key things here.
You said you had purchased the cheapest board along the lines you wanted it for - I'm all for reducing costs for sure but again as I said earlier, if you go cheap, that's what you get too.

My cpu can run at 4.1 ghz with 1.38750 volt, so at 4.0 ghz i should easily be able to run at lower vcore, above 4ghz is what i think i should run my cpu at to get the best gpu utilization (rtz 2060 strix oc i will keep it stock since it's sooo amazingly silent,quiet when gaming)

:confused: Exactly HOW do you know that? :confused:

Just being real - You've yet to get it stable at 4.1- Until you get it stable at 4.1 you don't know what it's going to take or even if your particular setup "As Is" will be capable of it in the first place.

I'm not trashing you over wanting something, it's just sometimes reality bites and there's nothing anyone can do to change it - You gotta deal with the cards you've been dealt and that means as said above, you'll have to do testing to see before calling it.

I too have been guilty at times of having expectations above what's realistic and I'll say plainly this looks like it to me.
4.0 with your chip is a good speed, esp for aircooling and you may well have to settle with it that way unless you make changes/improvements to the system from what it is now.

You can't arbitrarily punch in a number and get good results from anything, sorry but you have some work ahead to do only you can do so all I can suggest from here is follow the advice in the post above yours here and get busy..... However do see if there is a way to get temps down, even if only by a few C is better than none.
 
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'current capability '

It's just a maximum. You have 100% (default) and up to 140% for most higher end boards. This does'nt mean that the SOC/CPU/GPU is now using 40% more current on stock. It's just a higher threshold. There's no difference in 100% or 140% on stock settings.
 
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'current capability '

It's just a maximum. You have 100% (default) and up to 140% for most higher end boards. This does'nt mean that the SOC/CPU/GPU is now using 40% more current on stock. It's just a higher threshold. There's no difference in 100% or 140% on stock settings.


SOC Current Capability is just a max setting it can use (threshold), i use it to make shure it can go as high a it needs to, my ram is corsair vengeance lpx 3000 mhz cl 15 running at 3200 mhz cl 16 (won't run cl 15 at 3000mhz).

it's 4.1 ghz at 1.3875 volt. stable, of course i can go lower at 4.0ghz. im very shure of that

Wouldn't it be unstable at 1.3875 volt at 4.1 ghz if lowest vcore for 4.0 ghz (stable) is 1.3875volt?

bones my cpu is stable at 4.1ghz i have just had vcore mabye a bit to high at 4ghz it has often been the case that going 100mhz higher on ryzen (3.9-4.0ghz 4.0-4.1ghz or 4.1-4.2ghz) can make it necessary to increase vcore alot, in some cases more then it's worth the extra 100mhz.
 
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'current capability '

It's just a maximum. You have 100% (default) and up to 140% for most higher end boards. This does'nt mean that the SOC/CPU/GPU is now using 40% more current on stock. It's just a higher threshold. There's no difference in 100% or 140% on stock settings.

Gotcha - Good to see it isn't a case of cooking stuff.

I do agree that sometimes to get a little increase, punching the voltage up is needed for that extra 100MHz but that also indicates the chip is beginning to "Wall" if you have to push it up more than just a little for the extra 100.
Luckily for me mine shows walling a little higher up, could be yours is simply not as capable equalling the silicon lottery in play here - Nothing you can really do about it except get another and I just don't see you doing that.

As to what it's worth, if you think it is then it's your choice to do so - I can't argue since it's your stuff to do whatever with but I'll never knowingly suggest something harmful, at least know that.
 
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If you need more and more voltage for a higher clock, it means you are bypassing the efficiency curve of the silicon.

I remember this with my 8320 FX. It would do 4.8Ghz at 1.46v or so but 5GHz only at 1.52v to have it fully stable. The heat coming from it was huge. Even the 2x120mm rad coud'nt cope up with it. I dialed it in at 4.8Ghz with a 300Mhz FSB which is faster then just a stock 5Ghz clock. I saved some watts by doing this.

So far what i've read from the 2700x which i have now, the limit is at 4.1 to 4.2Ghz all core, and the 24/7 recommended voltage shoud'nt be higher then 1.36 / 1.37v or so. XFR/PBO already do a good job. No need to tweak it even furter clock wize. Perhaps some memory tweaking in the future, but since i'm using Primocache, i cant permit having any errors going on.
 
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Now at 4ghz and 1.36750 as i remember and seems stable
 
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A 2600X should boost to 4.25 Ghz, you can increase that by overclooking the base clock and that should have little effect on temperatures. All core overclocks are a waste of time, power, cooling unless you actually need them outside gaming.
 
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It boost 4.2ghz why need overclocking?

4.2 ghz is not on all cores and ghz is fluctuating to much whne speed is stock, thats why i oc besides gaming.
 
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The boost only applies now and then, and when thermals allow. I'm also on an all-core 'overclock' to keep things pegged at 4.1 GHz. That's the max my chip can do with reasonable (1.37v) volts. My max temps are 65c in P95 Small FFTs, but that's without my GPU kicking heat into the loop. I see those temps when gaming as the 1080 Ti does tend to produce a hefty amount of heat. Plus, my rig is absolutely geared to silence. The fans don't even go past 600 RPM until 65c is hit on the CPU, and the pump is at 40%.

For what it's worth: you will not see any massive increases in performance from a 100 MHz increase in clock speed.
 
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mine if i havent't mentioned that, on my scyth mugen 5 just under 700 rpm until 65 or 67c i can't hear them.

Casefan 1x140mm and 3x120 about 25% connnected to the fan hub (define r6) cant hear them.

Asus rtx 2060 strix oc 71c (or there about) is showing 25% fan speed which is from 67 to 80 c (not stock fan curve) 35% i can just about hear them 1155 ish rpm

Update stock asus rtx 2060 strix stock fan curve is just under 40% in project cars 2 barely audible
 
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isnt Your cpu cooler not up for the task?
i run 4ghz at 1.3v 24/7 even under load I have no issues with temps.
I do have an aio though...
 
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isnt Your cpu cooler not up for the task?
i run 4ghz at 1.3v 24/7 even under load I have no issues with temps.
I do have an aio though...


Never said it's not up for the task, if i wrote something, it is that it's not good enough if i want to run it at 4.2 ghz since at 1.38750 volt and 4.1ghz i get around 74-76c (before i lowered temps at 4ghz) i want to be able to keep it cool in the worst case senario, except for when it's summer where temps can go way above 30c in denmark, we had a record summer last year
 
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There is no help for your expectations. They're simply too high.
 
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There is no help for your expectations. They're simply too high.


What do you mean by that?

I was hoping for 4.2ghz at max 1.4000 volt, i can run 4.0 ghz at a bit more then 1.3600 volt, i might settle at 4.1ghz.
 
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What do you mean by that?

I was hoping for 4.2ghz at max 1.4000 volt, i can run 4.0 ghz at a bit more then 1.3600 volt, i might settle at 4.1ghz.
4.0 @ 1.36 would mean you'd need around 1.425 or more for 4.1. The frequency scaling hits a brick wall just after 1.4v

Edit - forget what the guy in the cpuz validation you posted below can do, it's irrelevant. If YOUR chip needs 1.36v for 4.0ghz, you will need another 50-75mv for another 100mhz. And then you might really struggle to get to 4.2, if you can do it at all (and would certainly require high end watercooling) i wouldn't be surprised at 1.5v being needed.
 
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4.0 @ 1.36 would mean you'd need around 1.425, maybe more, for 4.1. The frequency scaling hits a brick wall just after 1.4v

No it would need 1.3870 volt for 4.1ghz https://valid.x86.fr/arsnc5

If it already hits 76c in prime 95 small fft at 4.1 ghz and 1.38750volt (digi+ vrm stock except for soc and cpu currency capability at 120%) i don't think i can go higher :(

I need tweak voltage until i hit the lower limit at 4.1ghzm in the low 1.38... mabye, there is already a bit difference between vcore at 4.0ghz (lowered) and 4.1ghz at 1.38750 volt
 
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You can't just look at the voltage someone else's chip needs, you're totally forgetting about silicon lottery, there's a MASSIVE variance (edit: well, in reality probably +-150mhz above and below an average chip is pretty normal) in what clocks each individual chip can achieve and since the the volt/frequency curve is so harsh at the end, it's difficult to force an average or poor chip to match a good one. Especially if you don't have the cooling for 1.4v+

But the voltage jumps are always large for a very small frequency bump as you reach the top of what these chips are capable of. That's just how this architecture is.

edit: apologies for edits, had some more to add.
 
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^ Not just a variance in the CPU bin but also a large variance in motherboard power delivery design between different models of motherboard which my brief scanning of the thread didn't really see discussed much.
 
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You can try those settings. i have the same flare x.
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