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Those ECO settings will reduce the performance of your CPU somewhat, but should be absolutely within the limits of that mobo
 
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This should at least take the edge off. What VRM temps should be expected? 70? 75?

That B450 motherboard is poop!
I'm hesitant to go with MSi for my next motherboard, because they don't always clearly state the specifications of their boards. For example, if you wanted to know how many power phases a given motherboard has, for half of them you just won't find that information anywhere. So it's hard to know if you're getting a gem or a dud.
 

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This should at least take the edge off. What VRM temps should be expected? 70? 75?


I'm hesitant to go with MSi for my next motherboard, because they don't always clearly state the specifications of their boards. For example, if you wanted to know how many power phases a given motherboard has, for half of them you just won't find that information anywhere. So it's hard to know if you're getting a gem or a dud.
Anything under 80C, i guess.
The best boards (which are often over priced) hang around 60C, even without fans.
It's not like we're worried about the board dying here, we just want the throttling to stop so performance stays constant

Baiter: dont try and mix and match settings btw, PBO (and therefore these settings) will NOT work if you do the all core overclock we mentioned earlier. It's one or the other, not both.
 
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This should at least take the edge off. What VRM temps should be expected? 70? 75?


I'm hesitant to go with MSi for my next motherboard, because they don't always clearly state the specifications of their boards. For example, if you wanted to know how many power phases a given motherboard has, for half of them you just won't find that information anywhere. So it's hard to know if you're getting a gem or a dud.
Tomahawks are not poop like that one is. Looks like their proper motherboards are not even close to temps like that in most cases. MSI didn't pull a bad one anywhere near that bad with the B450 Tomahawk, TMK. The B550 Tomahawks look promising as well, just like their Z490 Tomahawks. Looked like MSI's worst era was during the AM3/+ era.

Before my first Ryzen build and first Intel build in the 2020s, which are both MSI, I have been going with Asus. (Except my A88X FM2+ motherboard, which is Gigabyte)

For that early Ryzen, I would try to get an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max. I don't know if their later motherboards can even support a Pinnacle Ridge.
 
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For that early Ryzen, I would try to get an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max. I don't know if their later motherboards can even support a Pinnacle Ridge.
A friend of mine has a B450 Tomahawk Max and a 3800x. He bought the system prebuilt so I don't know if he had to do a BIOS update.
 
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I have the "vanilla" B450 Tomahawk, but it's been working well with BIOS version 1E. (2020) Everything else is in my specs list.

CPB and PBO are tempting me! Looks like CPB can help with gaming.
 
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cTDP limit control is the only thing to be adjusted to lower max power draw in the CPU. If at auto, it goes to 142W for 2700X (using the PBO basic limit). It needs to be adjusted from 105W (max non-auto) and lower until system temp reaches <80C..
 
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Wow for this person to be able to pull a heatsink off the vrm tells me the name itself holds true (baiter)
To be fair my 2 year old niece would have it off if you left her with a board and the correct screwdriver
 

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To be fair my 2 year old niece would have it off if you left her with a board and the correct screwdriver
Well for stand offs not being placed at all and the heatsink removal tells me otherwise. Also I built a Rollback/flatbed wrecker when I was 5 out of a mix of legos, not a kit)
 
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so the temps have lowered drastically now that i set PBO to manual. I played bfV and it played pretty smooth, however, there was some input lag and such. The game was pretty slow, for the lack of better words.

is there any way i can get a little more performance out of my rig? Or is that asking too much?
 

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System at 56C max and CPU at 58C is finally the change we were looking for
You're getting 3.4-3.9GHz there which while not peak performance, is still heaps faster than BFV requires
Those eco numbers are low, raise them each by 10 since the VRM's are so cold and you should still be okay

As for the input lag... that's a whole other complicated situation, the most obvious of which is to do a clean driver install for your GPU, resetting all settings, and reset all your game settings to 1920x1080 at low settings, Vsync off in game

Some people do it the hard way, but you can just disconnect from the internet, uninstall the GPU driver in windows apps and features, and then reinstall it from the downloaded .exe (download it BEFORE you disconnect the net) of the latest driver
Radeon™ RX 580 Drivers & Support | AMD

If the input lag is gone, you can raise quality settings til you're happy, if not, we'll figure things out from there
 
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alright. So you want me to raise each of the numbers in PBO by 10?

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these are the stats after i raised PBO settings

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these are the stats from playing a game of apex

After I made those changes to my BIOS, the games have gotten much smoother and cleaner. I am just now reinstalling my GPU drivers. My games kinda seem like theyre getting low fps. My gameplay is very choppy and slow. Sometimes the picture is solid and sometimes it not.
 

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Basically, we've sorted out the CPU and its performance so it wont have wild spikes


The settings you use in game can cause dips for sure, because while an RX580 is still absolutely usable (My dad still games well on his), they sure cant handle modern games at max settings.
Any changes you've made to the AMD driver could also have the same effect, and rather than rely on remembering what's been changed a clean install of the latest driver would be simpler.

Next time you'll need to move HWinfo to show the GPU's settings and temps, preferable with the game running in windowed mode so we can see the game, an FPS counter, and HWinfos readings at the same time
 
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Basically, we've sorted out the CPU and its performance so it wont have wild spikes


The settings you use in game can cause dips for sure, because while an RX580 is still absolutely usable (My dad still games well on his), they sure cant handle modern games at max settings.
Any changes you've made to the AMD driver could also have the same effect, and rather than rely on remembering what's been changed a clean install of the latest driver would be simpler.

Next time you'll need to move HWinfo to show the GPU's settings and temps, preferable with the game running in windowed mode so we can see the game, an FPS counter, and HWinfos readings at the same time
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Okay. Reinstalling
 
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Basically, we've sorted out the CPU and its performance so it wont have wild spikes


The settings you use in game can cause dips for sure, because while an RX580 is still absolutely usable (My dad still games well on his), they sure cant handle modern games at max settings.
Any changes you've made to the AMD driver could also have the same effect, and rather than rely on remembering what's been changed a clean install of the latest driver would be simpler.

Next time you'll need to move HWinfo to show the GPU's settings and temps, preferable with the game running in windowed mode so we can see the game, an FPS counter, and HWinfos readings at the same time
hey, is there any way I can record my screen to show you whats going on in my games?

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i ran heaven benchmark and got alot of fps drops
 

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Yeah, theres recording software built into your AMD drivers, upload the finished file to youtube as an unlisted video
it'll be a huge file, if you have an internet cap

Seeing the temp flatline at 75C makes me wonder if thats a thermal throttle - if you record a video you better make sure all of the GPU readings are on screen at the time, or it'll be a big waste of effort.



Why do you have "GPU liquid temperature" as a reading for an RX580?
Edit: okay thats a driver bug sending glitched info back to Hwinfo
 
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Wait whats a thermal throttle ?
 

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Wait whats a thermal throttle ?
We are 6 pages in, this has been discussed dozens of times with you.

Why, WHY are you only asking this now
 
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We are 6 pages in, this has been discussed dozens of times with you.

Why, WHY are you only asking this now
...or, a simple google/duckduck/bing search to provide a quick answer instead of waiting for someone else to explain it in layman's terms to an "expert" in some fields of PC, but completely oblivious to simpler ones.
 
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Okay. I googled it and it seems like it is doing that because the fans seem to make alot of noise alot. What can i do to fix that?

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okay so i got it in my uploads on youtube. Not sure how to make it unlisted..

oh nvm i found it.

okay here is my benchmark for my GPU.
 
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Well I thought it might be a gpu issue because my gpu never stayes at 100% usage

So i ordered some new standoffs and I'm not really sure what to do about my performance issues. Can anyone help me out there?

i noticed that when im playing a game my gpu usage never goes up to 100%
I dont think I have ever seen my gpu report 100% usage, I would say anything above 90% is potential bottleneck, especially above 95%.

Remember the number is an average over the polling period so e.g. 96% could mean 100% half the time and 92% the other half of the time.

I am playing Tales of Berseria currently with 4xSGSSAA and there is one spot in the game that makes my 3080 sweat hard, I drop frames at 94% polled usage and upwards, with it been more dropped the higher it is.

For me its a tell tale when its cpu, cpu bottlenecking tends to not be pretty, a sharp stutter that can almost feel like a freeze, laggy pop in's etc. Monitoring on a hardware monitor gives a clearer picture but you definitely dont need to be pegged at 100% to be bottlenecking. If you have VRR then gpu bottlenecking probably not even noticeable at all.
 

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Thermal throttle is when things overheat and slow themselves down.
You know... like the VRM's we spent 4 pages diagnosing and working on cooling down.
If the device has fans, the fans usually max out, trying to fix it.


You're gunna need new thermal paste, and then remove your GPU heatsink to replace the existing thermal paste.
 
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Thermal throttle is when things overheat and slow themselves down.
You know... like the VRM's we spent 4 pages diagnosing and working on cooling down.
If the device has fans, the fans usually max out, trying to fix it.


You're gunna need new thermal paste, and then remove your GPU heatsink to replace the existing thermal paste.
I got thermal paste
 
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I got thermal paste
Well it's off to YouTube for you!

Find a video of someone removing the cooler from the same model graphics card as yours.

You still have not properly filled out your system specs; there is no specific mention of your graphics card manufacturer and model. Aftermarket graphics card manufacturers almost always make several product lines (for example, Asus has Phoenix, Dual, KO, TUF Gaming, ROG Strix) that might have the same GPU but will have different PCB form factors and cooler designs.

That means don't watch a video of someone removing the cooler from a Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580 if you have an ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 580. The cooler designs will be different, meaning the screws will be in different places and possibly other components like fan cables, etc. If you have an ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 580, watch a video of someone removing the cooler from an ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 580. Don't watch a video of a guy doing it on an MSI RX 560, or a Sapphire RX 550, or an ASUS TUF Gaming Radeon RX 5700 XT.

You will have to be very meticulous about tracking screws.

Also, most graphics card manufacturers use thermal pads on key components that can't have thermal paste applied to them. Ideally you would have some new thermal pads in different thicknesses on hand to replace any original thermal pads that have deteriorated.

When you're replaced all of the thermal interfaces (pastes and pads), you'll need to reassemble your card, meaning reversing all of the steps you watched in the video.

Without a doubt most people who post such videos on YouTube have years -- sometimes decades -- of experience.

Watch the video several times and decide wisely whether or not you have the technical ability to follow the procedure. If you bake cookies and bungle it, you can just buy new ingredients and start a new batch; flour, eggs and sugar aren't expensive. With today's semiconductor shortage situation, it is unlikely you will buy more GPUs until you figure out how to do this.

Best of luck.
 
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