Carbide 100R Silent

[moproblems99]

A friend is doing a semi SFF build with a 3900X and 2070S and wanted to use the Carbide 100R Silent. It seems to me there may be some airflow issues. Thoughts? Alternatives, keeping the case as a mid tower? Would also like to keep the case approximately $75.

 

[GlacierNine]

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This will be a *lot* better on thermals.

 

[kapone32]

He would definitely have airflow issues. The case only brings outside air from the sides and if you watch GN case reviews totally obstructed front panels can raise internal temps by up to 11 degrees. Something like the Meshify C would be a better option. Or the Lian Li 011 which at least can bring air in from the side panel.

He would definitely have airflow issues. The case only brings outside air from the sides and if you watch GN case reviews totally obstructed front panels can raise internal temps by up to 11 degrees. Something like the Meshify C would be a better option. Or the Lian Li 011 which at least can bring air in from the side panel.

I bought this one for a build a while ago. I amnot sure it is available anymore but it did the job and was about $75 Canadian

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[moproblems99]

Yeah, we were looking at the Fractal Define Focus, the cm nr600, as well as one of the Enthoos.

 

[John Naylor]

Kinda like pitting a $2,000 set of chrome wheels on a $500 car. The build is unbalanced. At minimum, I'd use a Phanteks P600S. or the same case design / same air flow / different aesthetics Evolv X. If a gaming, photo editing, video editing box, based upon TPU reveiews, Id also use the 9900KF

 

[moproblems99]

Kinda like pitting a $2,000 set of chrome wheels on a $500 car. The build is unbalanced. At minimum, I'd use a Phanteks P600S. or the same case design / same air flow / different aesthetics Evolv X. If a gaming, photo editing, video editing box, based upon TPU reveiews, Id also use the 9900KF

Please explain the unbalanced when all you know is 3900x, 2070S, and a potential case? Not even counting the use of the machine. There are plenty of good cases under $100.

You live in NY, I'm sure you see plenty of shit boxes with 20s.

Additionally, the build is going for as small as possible. 9900 is out.

 

[Bill_Bright]

It seems to me there may be some airflow issues.

Why? It supports up to 2 x 140mm fans in front and 1 x 120mm in back (plus whatever the PSU has to offer). Yes, it is unbalanced. You want some over-presure! That's what keeps the air flowing "IN" through the filters and not every other crack and crevice and port.

It also supports a 120mm radiator.

I am not a real fan of Corsair cases, but I don't see a problem with cooling on that one. Have you read the reviews?

Sure you can find better cases. I like Fractal Designs. But all those suggested cost more than that Corsair too.

 

[moproblems99]

Why? It supports up to 2 x 140mm fans in front and 1 x 120mm in back (plus whatever the PSU has to offer). Yes, it is unbalanced. You want some over-presure! That's what keeps the air flowing "IN" through the filters and not every other crack and crevice and port.

It also supports a 120mm radiator.

I am not a real fan of Corsair cases, but I don't see a problem with cooling on that one. Have you read the reviews?

Sure you can find better cases. I like Fractal Designs. But all those suggested cost more than that Corsair too.

If you look at the proximity of the exhaust fan to where the Wraith is going to be mounted, much of the exhaust fan is going to be blocked. This is not so much a knock on the case but as of the size in general.

I don't build in small cases so I don't have much insight to provide here. However, I know there are plenty of people that go for small builds and do a great job with them.

I am on my phone so Excuse any typos and I am sure crap got autocorrected into something stupid. That said, the goal of the case is:

• As small as possible
• Not blingy
• No led
• Quietish

 

[BumbleBee]

The Corsair Silent cases are great. I still have a 550D. there is maybe a 1-2'c temperature differential. most people will not notice it but they will notice how much quieter it is

 

[Bill_Bright]

I don't build in small cases so I don't have much insight to provide here.

Except that is a mid tower case.

 

[Static~Charge]

Take a look at the be quiet! Pure Base 500 Black: understated design, decent airflow, comes with 2 preinstalled Pure Wings 2 140mm fans (one in the front and the other in the back), has sound insulation mats on front/sides/top, sells for $75 U.S.

 

[moproblems99]

Except that is a mid tower case.

Yeah, mid tower is small.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Yeah, mid tower is small.

LOL No its not. A mid tower case supports a full sized ATX motherboard and typically 6 or more drives, and at least 6 expansion cards. And many are just as wide, if not wider than many full towers, which means they support tall coolers just like full towers.

Most users will NEVER use that many expansion cards or that many drives.

Full tower cases are HUGE, but that does not mean mid-towers are small.

Micro and ITX cases are small.

 

[moproblems99]

You can define small however you want. When a case has to warn you about gpu size or cooler height, it's small.

 

[tabascosauz]

Small is always relative, but the 100R is nowhere near SFF, or <20L. The 100R is an ATX midtower, like 80% of computer cases out there, so I don't understand "keeping the case a midtower" as an alternative. My TJ08 is a middle of the road mATX tower that's appreciably smaller than the 100R, and is still more than double the volume of my M1, an actual SFF case. Most cases out there will specify max cooler height or GPU length - in this case, the case is just on the narrow side, with a HDD cage.

An actual SFF ATX case is the much smaller Cerberus X.

Now, the 100R looks pretty conventional for the most part; I don't think you'll have fitment problems, unless you use an exhaust fan that's like, 50mm in thickness. However, the front panel has the signature restrictive side vents of a silent case, and intake seems to be limited to a single 120mm. Airflow seems like it will be an issue. The ability to have at least 2 x 120s or 1 x 140 would be much appreciated.

For silence, I think you'll find that a thoughtful airflow path with quiet but capable PWM fans will serve you much better than sound deadening foam. The 3900X will want that airflow. I've had a number of foam padded cases in the past, but they've never been quieter than my TJ08 with a A14ppc, C14S A14, and a F12 exhaust.

 

[Bill_Bright]

By your definition, maybe. The truth, however, is that most mid-tower cases are not that restrictive. And of course anybody who bothered to do just a tiny bit of homework would see that Corsair case, with its generous 414mm graphics card support, could easily support the 2700S card with lots of room to spare. And 150mm for the CPU cooler is generous too. That said, there many mid-tower cases that are a little wider.

And for the record, the Fractal Design Focus, which you suggested, is also a mid-tower (unless you opt for the smaller "Mini") but it only supports cards up to 380mm in length. It is however, a bit wider.

Of course, models of all sizes vary by manufacturer and specific model number but the truth is, "in general" the only difference between a mid-tower and a full tower is height. Width and depth are, "in general", the same. The extra height is there to accommodate EATX motherboards and their couple extra expansion slots, and additional drives.

 

[moproblems99]

By your definition, maybe. The truth, however, is that most mid-tower cases are not that restrictive. And of course anybody who bothered to do just a tiny bit of homework would see that Corsair case, with its generous 414mm graphics card support, could easily support the 2700S card with lots of room to spare. And 150mm for the CPU cooler is generous too. That said, there many mid-tower cases that are a little wider.

And for the record, the Fractal Design Focus, which you suggested, is also a mid-tower (unless you opt for the smaller "Mini") but it only supports cards up to 380mm in length. It is however, a bit wider.

Of course, models of all sizes vary by manufacturer and specific model number but the truth is, "in general" the only difference between a mid-tower and a full tower is height. Width and depth are, "in general", the same. The extra height is there to accommodate EATX motherboards and their couple extra expansion slots, and additional drives.

So, I was sent a pc part picker list and asked what I thought and they were ordering within the hour. I am at work and on a phone. So homework is a luxury. PC part picker also says that the Carbide 100r silent can only hold a 275mm gpu before the drive bays need to be removed and the 2070S is 286mm. Removing the drive bays is a problem because said individual would like to actually be able to put drives in them.

As you also saw, the 100r is limited in intake fans. It may only have an option of 1 in the front. The Wraith looks like it will block most of the exhaust. If that sounds like good airflow to you, we have different requirements of good air flow as well.

Small is always relative, but the 100R is nowhere near SFF, or <20L.

That's the wonderful thing about small being relative. We are both right. Notice I also said semi-sff. We started at itx.

 

[sneekypeet]

Such finicky people and their "we must be technical."
If you are not here to advise and help the OP and would rather argue semantics, you will find it is not the way to go
Fair warning to all involved.

 

[cucker tarlson]

top is completely closed.red flag when using this sort of cpu and a non-blower card.do not buy.

 

[dirtyferret]

A friend is doing a semi SFF build with a 3900X and 2070S and wanted to use the Carbide 100R Silent. It seems to me there may be some airflow issues. Thoughts? Alternatives, keeping the case as a mid tower? Would also like to keep the case approximately $75.

In my experience you are better off running your fans silent then using a "silent" case when it comes to temps. The phanteks 350x is on the small size for a mid tower, under $75, will fit a GPU up to 400mm, stick a spare fan in the rear and you will be fine for airflow.

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[cucker tarlson]

In my experience you are better off running your fans silent then using a "silent" case when it comes to temps. The phanteks 350x is on the small size for a mid tower, under $75, will fit a GPU up to 400mm, stick a spare fan in the rear and you will be fine for airflow.

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absolutely.
good airflow+silent fans wins by a mile.
the thing that is going to have the most impact on noise is temperature.
my rig is the quietest when running open door,open top,one raer fan at 800rpm and some intake air.
with closed door the psu fan is gonna kick in sooner or later,gpu and cpu coolers will run at higher rpm.

 

[moproblems99]

top is completely closed.red flag when using this sort of cpu and a non-blower card.do not buy.

That was my initial reading of the case was that the airflow is going to be less than spectacular. We seem to be mistaken though.

 

[Bill_Bright]

"Silent case" is really just marketing hype. The only truly silent computer is one with totally passive (no fan) cooling - to include a no fan PSU. Many decent cases, however, have sound deadening lining through out, which is very effective. Using rubber mounts/grommets on hard drives can help too. And for sure, "quality" fans make a huge difference. And going with larger fans (140mm or larger) is important too. The larger the fan, the slower it can spin and still move massive amounts of air. And slower speeds mean less noise.

Keeping your filters clean keeps temps down, fans spinning slower, thus less noise.

When all else fails, crank up the tunes!

 

[nomdeplume]

To me the question is one of tradeoffs. Lifespan and expectation of recouping investment (honestly) factor heavily. SFF do not have to run hot but certainly can go full passive under extended heavy load. Higher temps always mean reduction of lifespan until you reach industrial solutions designed for harsh environments and virtually no contact with internals.

I see this as a budget limited build with best potential being reached through high end fans and a cheaper case. Some creativity implied.

 

[Bill_Bright]

SFF does not imply heat cannot be properly managed. A SFF case is still cavernous compared to laptop cases, with many effective cooling options (including passive options) that can easily allow the components inside to run at full speeds, comfortably within their normal operating temperature ranges, without throttling.

Cooler temps do NOT automatically mean longer life. Yes, keeping electronics properly cooled is critically essential. But there is nothing to suggest a CPU running at 30°C will be more stable, perform better, or have a longer lifespan than a CPU running at 55°C or even warmer for some CPUs.

And of course, with a SFF case, you can easily open it up and expose the entire interior for a proper cleaning of heat trapping dust from all the deep dark hiding places dust creeps into. Most users can't do that with a laptop.

Overclocking may introduce challenges with SFF cases, but overclocking can introduce challenges with the best mid and full tower cases too.

So with some good homework, planning, and component selection, careful assembly with proper/tidy cable management, and periodic cleaning of any heat trapping dust, there's no reason you cannot expect a SFF case to provide years of quality service and computing experiences, free from heat related issues.