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Cheapest processor that can play and stream 1080p/DTS movies/shows

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by Easy Rhino, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. Easy Rhino

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    the question is in the topic. i am curious to find out what the cheapest processor out there is that can play 1080p/DTS movies and shows without a discrete GPU.
     
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    GPU in the processor or chipset?
     
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    i guess that does not matter. which ever is cheapest but can still play 1080p/dts blah blah blah
     
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    any of the Intel core i3 or i5s that have the built in GPU should be fine. IIRC anything HD4200 and up should also work.
     
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    So cheapest processor, or cheapest system? The new AMD Zacate I've heard does beautifully, and it's dirt cheap with some pretty nice features for a budget system starter.
     
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    that's what i was thinking. wasnt sure if there was a lower cost solution though.
     
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    Thanks, Zacate, not Zambezi :p Too many Z's AMD!
     
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    says it has a 6310 chip onboard. are you sure that can handle 1080p video?
     
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    any dual core can. i used to do it with a 3800x2 on 939. even my mums atom netbook can handle 720p playback with an 8MB intel IGP.


    If you dont use a 3D renderer for playback (meaning, in MPC-HC choose overlay renderer) then its 100% CPU driven. even 8MB onboard can handle 1080p like that.
    If you want it hardware decoded, make sure it has 256MB+ of ram (system/shared is fine)
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    alright cause ive seen chips that claim they can playback and stream 1080p video and not do it at 30FPS. i am talking 13-15 gig files here.
     
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    because 95% of the time its CPU powered, and the GPU is unimportant.
     
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    that is confusing. chipsets like the ion2 are highly marketable because of the instruction sets that allow them to render high def video without having the cpu much work.
     
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    yes, but most of the time its not used!


    you actually need very specific software setups to get hardware acceleration to play. It is NOT on by default in just about every player out there. i have a thread in my sig about it.


    If you use CCCP and set FFDSHOW to the multithreaded version when installing it, or use coreAVC with the quality features turned down, just about any dual core can run 1080p trouble free. If you have even a basic onboard IGP with H264 decoding, then use FFDSHOWS DXVA codec (or CoreAVC's on modern nvidia) for good hardware acceleration. I think intel can pull it off as well, but i found their low amounts of video ram tended to make things not play smoothly so i stuck with software on those.
     
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    interesting. well that was not the case for the zotac setup with the ion2 i have running xbmc with ubuntu. 1080p video would only play at 30fps when i had DXVA set. of course that was about a year ago. i have the same proc atom 330 in another system with no onboard gpu and it failed miserably in windows when attempting to play 1080p video.
     
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    ubuntu would have been the cause. windows codecs have progressed muchly in the last few years, i doubt they would have on ubuntu - especially due to the slower/poor GPU driver support.


    oh and as for the FPS, thats likely dependant on the actual video files. if its only 24FPS, you're only gunna get 24FPS
     
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    no, it was the other way around. windows with no ion2 chip will not play 1080p video. linux with no ion2 chip will not play 1080p video. both with ion2 chip will play 1080p video. the OS makes no difference is what i am saying so long as the gpu drivers and the codecs are available for both. this is off topic anyway.
     
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    well in that case, you didnt have updated codecs. probably on the default ones that came with windows? my point was that the OS change means you need codecs for that OS... if they arent available (or you dont have them), then of course it wont work as it should.



    kinda off topic i guess... but all relevant to 1080p playback requirements.
     
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    cool, well i will take that into consideration!
     
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    i got a little bored, heres some images for you Eeasy.


    i clocked my CPU down to 800Mhz, enabled DXVA and ran a 14GB blu ray movie rip (tron legacy, if you care)

    [​IMG]

    16% CPU usage is one core maxed out, on my x6, and its only using 14%... and the frames dropped where from when i did some seeking into the movie.



    i'll try again without DXVA now.

    i cocked up this image so that it doesnt show the CPU clocks, but its still 800Mhz. i can retake them if you really care.
    [​IMG]

    averaged around 45% CPU usage, so lets say it takes a triple core at 800Mhz to do the same as a single 1GHz core, with DXVA. that actually works pretty well to say '1/3 the CPU requirements.


    and now its about 20% at 1600Mhz

    [​IMG]



    so if we're using phenom II performance as the baseline...

    An 800Mhz single core can pull it off with DXVA.
    800Mhz triple core without DXVA (poor seek times/odd stutter)
    1600Mhz dual core is fine without DXVA




    since just about any modern processor can match the power of a 1600Mhz phenom II due to their higher starting clock speeds, i'd say that any modern dual core can handle 1080p playback of these excessively large HD files.
     
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    Great reply Mussels. :)


    I put one of those amd le cpus, pretty sure it was a LE-1100 which is 1900mhz single core into an old 780g motherboard a while back and it played 8gb HD videos fine. There was no difference I could see between the LE and my PII. Obviously getting media player to start etc was a lot slower.

    You can easily get a 2nd Hand AM2 board, CPU and ram for around $80 these days. That would easily be enough.
     
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    dual cores are all nice and can handle 1080p smoothly :)
     
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    DXVA is an API that tells the OS to offload video decoding to the GPU. if you don't have an onboard gpu, a descrete gpu or even an integrated gpu then DXVA is useless. That is why I asked which is the cheapest CPU that can playback 1080p video smoothly without a gpu. I think erocker has it right. Either that or an i3 with the gpu integration.
     
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    Well, I know I'm picking up that AsRock combo next week. Just need to find a nice little case for it.
     
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