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China may have lost contact with its first ever space station raising fears that it could career back to Earth in an uncontrolled re-entry.

The Chinese Tiangong-1 space station module was launched in 2011 and was expected to be deorbited at the end of its life to crash into the ocean or burn up in the atmosphere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong-1
But there are reports China has lost control of the spacecraft, meaning it could crash back into the Earth's atmosphere



Satellite trackers who have been watching the movement of Tiangong as it orbits the Earth believe China may have lost control of the unmanned 8 ton (7.3 tonnes) vehicle.

Thomas Dorman, an amateur satellite tracker, told Space.com: 'If I am right, China will wait until the last minute to let the world know it has a problem with their space station.

Chinese officials have yet to confirm any plans for the fate of Tiangong-1, and some experts think it may still be possible to bring the spacecraft down in a controlled fashion.

Tiangong-1, which means 'Heavenly Palace', was launched in September 2011 with the hope of creating a larger space complex that China wants to be operational in Earth orbit around 2020.

The module has performed a series of docking exercises, including the uncrewed Shenzhou-8 mission in 2011 and the crewed Shenzhou-10 mission in 2012.





 

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I'm sure NORAD has about a dozen eyes (satellites/RADARs) on it. I wouldn't be worried about it until NORAD says it's a problem.
 

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I wonder how many counterfeit parts are on that thing
 
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I wonder if NORAD would sanction an uncontrolled, unpredictable reentry or work with the Chinese to ensure a safe demise.
If it was going to hit a populated area, they'd no doubt fire a THAAD at it to change its trajectory. Not worried at all about it.
 

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thats what happens when all your shit is made in Taiwan

 

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I doubt if there are any Taiwanese components on board....the 2 nations are pretty hostile to each other.
 

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I doubt if there are any Taiwanese components on board....the 2 nations are pretty hostile to each other.
Not 'that' hostile... China just wants to unite with Taiwan because they are supposedly the same people, (all chinese or have chinese origins) but Taiwan doesnt really care for it and would much rather keep its independence then rejoin the collective and be controlled.... Same thing goes for Hong Kong. China wants Hong Kong to accept its fate and become one with the P.R.C but H.K doesn't want to become a puppet and have their fate dictated to them
 

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Yeah, and pretty big fear all of the maneuvering in the South China Sea is the crescendo leading to a climax involving PRC seizing Taiwan and/or Hong Kong.
 
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I'm sure NORAD has about a dozen eyes (satellites/RADARs) on it. I wouldn't be worried about it until NORAD says it's a problem.
Unless it's going to hit U.S. soil they probably won't worry about it.
 

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Yeah, and pretty big fear all of the maneuvering in the South China Sea is the crescendo leading to a climax involving PRC seizing Taiwan and/or Hong Kong.
Your Years Behind the news.....China HAS HONG KONG (since middle of 1997 ) and As for China Reintegrating Taiwan VERY MUCH DOUBT IT
Its not in USA /Japanese INTEREST To Allow China to Seize and Reintegrate Taiwan against the will of the Taiwanese people
 
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Unless it's going to hit U.S. soil they probably won't worry about it.
Ideally China would deal with it, but failing that, USA would intervene after making sure the craft is derelict. THAADs are set up all around the world to detail with threats like this. The US Navy actually shot down one of its own spy satellites a while back. They used the much larger (compared to THAAD) SM-3.

Your Years Behind the news.....China HAS HONG KONG (since middle of 1997 ) and As for China Reintegrating Taiwan VERY MUCH DOUBT IT
Its not in USA /Japanese INTEREST To Allow China to Seize and Reintegrate Taiwan against the will of the Taiwanese people
It's autonomous. It's not entirely independent but it's also not entirely of China. The fear is that China would exert completely control over the territory like Russia did to Crimea.

I think China is just waiting for the right opportunity to strike Taiwan when they're certain no one else would intervene. I wouldn't be surprised if China feels the clock is ticking because Philippines, Australia, and Japan are stepping up their militaries.

If I had to stake money on it, I'd say 60% chance Hong Kong is going to lose its autonomy eventually; 15% on China seizing Taiwan. But, what do I know? I'm an arm chair general. :D

Yeah, debated about posting about how China violated international law (just came out today). Additionally, North Korea broke off their only official means to communicate with the USA too. "Contentious," as the article is titled, about sums it up.
 
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In any case regarding the south china sea. namely the Spratlys islands - that now belongs to the philippines according to the Permanent Court of Arbitration so China can f**k right off :p :p though China isnt going to take this one sitting down obviously. Relations between China and the Philippines aint the best since the incident where a tour bus full of chinese tourists got taken hostage and apparently the filipino army bodged the rescue resulting in the death of all those onboard the tour bus....
things will get a lot worse between them. They may even ban import/exports to and from there as well as cut down on visitors from that country and even go as far to f**k with filipino citizens who live and work in China. Unless you have a lot of money, which most filipinos probably dont have or own a business which generates China a lot of money via tax etc etc then China will play the role of a rather sore loser.
 

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Having actually travelled to Hong Kong several tines, as well as Shanghai twice I have to say that Hong Kong has the same basic status as Shanghai. They are only semi-autonomous commercial zones. This is because they are cash cows for China. That will not likely change.

In all other ways, Hong Kong is under Chinese control and their autonomy is extremely limited.

This is only based on country studies and personal observation. It could be completely wrong.
 
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Hong Kong is under Chinese control and their autonomy is extremely limited.
BASED on A Signed PIECE OF PAPER ( and ignoring the FACT that china has Garrisoned Hong Kong with both ARMY AND NAVY units under the control of the PRC )
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

On January 11, 2007, China conducted an anti-satellite missile test. A Chinese weather satellite—the FY-1C polar orbit satellite of the Fengyun series, at an altitude of 865 kilometres (537 mi), with a mass of 750 kg[1]—was destroyed by a kinetic kill vehicle traveling with a speed of 8 km/s in the opposite direction

Satellite trackers who have been watching the movement of Tiangong as it orbits the Earth believe China may have lost control of the unmanned 8 ton (7.3 tonnes) vehicle.
Lets pray and hope this is not the solution by any one that has the capability to destroy by a kinetic kill vehicle

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the australian towns of Esperance and Rawlinna, are put on high alert
 
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Yeah, so hopefully they can take care of it themselves if it is a problem. SM-3 is a larger missile than they used so if one hit isn't enough, can always hit it again.
 

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China has an operational ASAT, so I doubt that they would wait for the US to do the job with SM-3. Although every use of a weapon like an ASAT missile is more akin to a strategic weapon political impact, so it's not a decision to be taken lightly.

The tensions surrounding China's highly dubious and illegal (I did not say that international law has had much impact on the actions of world powers in diplomacy over the past 50 years) are legitimate, but linking this is ridiculous. China's got its own space program going on because no one else can be bothered to cooperate with it because of how late it is.
 

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but linking this is ridiculous.
Linking is Fair speculation
China Has an ASAT Weapon china has State Secrets to protect ( they would not like the rest of the world to find out how much " Foreign Tech " has been appropriated and included).

The Danger to the Rest of the worlds Space efforts are linked with How China Deals with this Rogue out of Control SEVERN AND A HALF TON PIECE OF SPACE JUNK
 
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China's got its own space program going on because no one else can be bothered to cooperate with it because of how late it is.
Pretty sure every country with a large economy has some kind of space program stemmed from the need for launching satellites. Even when the Shuttles were grounded, the Air Force was still launching satellites, for example.


There will no doubt have to be an international space cleaning project eventually. The reason why there isn't right now is because of the cost to reach orbit. Having to reposition satellites to avoid debris is costly by itself. At some point, cleaning up the garbage will prove cheaper than avoiding it.
 

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China's got its own space program going on because no one else can be bothered to cooperate with it because of how late it is.
thats not the problem... The problem is if they partner up with different countries they will end up using that position to steal information.

Not quite the same example but Russia & China had partnered up to build a fighter jet a good few years back. China's team were thrown out of Russia because they were stealing information regarding the build amongst other things and sending it back home.

That and China also likes to be 'on-top', it makes for great propaganda if a chinese designed & made war plane destroys another countries military assets, which translates as them being more superior etc etc
 
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