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As long as it hit's an enemy of mine on the way back i'm happy.
That would be Russia then - Id say Daesh but they arent a country.
 

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I'm sure NORAD has about a dozen eyes (satellites/RADARs) on it. I wouldn't be worried about it until NORAD says it's a problem.
no problem... we still have Norad II :clap:
 
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Wouldn't be the first satellite to come down and hit us. :shadedshu:
Thats some Call Of Duty storyline shit right there son. James Bond wants in but i think they already have a few scenes with Satellites.

At least you can kick back and have some aerosmith

 

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Lol.. International space station launches and stays in space for 20 years.. Still kicking.
China makes one and 4 years later, it's falling out of the sky...
Hope it doesn't land on my place..lol.. 8 tons of "oh shit"...

China keeps puffing it's chest out like they have been, they might get into some deep shitnet.

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In July 2016, the tribunal backed the Philippines' case, saying China had violated the Philippines' sovereign rights.

China had boycotted the proceedings, and called the ruling "ill-founded". It says it will not be bound by it.
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Basically they don't care what anyone says...
 
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To put it bluntly @D007, China is like a playground bully throwing his weight around and picking on the smaller people that cant defend themselves.

All it would take is one good punch to the face that puts them in their place. USA also has military bases in the Philippines so China better watch their back or their gonna get shanked lol
 

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Re China ( and PRNK ) even Japan is now considering having its own nuclear Based DEFENSIVE DETERRENT

Hard as it may be to the collective Japanese conscious there is a growing consensus that they cannot totally rely on the USA and that they may at some point in the Future have to have their own DEFENSIVE Nuclear Based DETERRENT
 
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Re China ( and PRNK ) even Japan is now considering having its own nuclear Based DEFENSIVE DETERRENT

Hard as it may be to the collective Japanese conscious there is a growing consensus that they cannot totally rely on the USA and that they may at some point in the Future have to have their own DEFENSIVE Nuclear Based DETERRENT
Yea, I can see why they'd have such a hard time considering use it.. But maybe that's what makes them the best qualified to use it...
Not condoning Pearl harbor or anything but I like to think that's in the past..
Idk...
 

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Re China ( and PRNK ) even Japan is now considering having its own nuclear Based DEFENSIVE DETERRENT

Hard as it may be to the collective Japanese conscious there is a growing consensus that they cannot totally rely on the USA and that they may at some point in the Future have to have their own DEFENSIVE Nuclear Based DETERRENT
Yea, I can see why they'd have such a hard time considering use it.. But maybe that's what makes them the best qualified to use it...
Not condoning Pearl harbor or anything but I like to think that's in the past..
Idk...

With Japan, Its not just China they have to worry about - Its North Korea. Its all FUBAR and the tension is so high between China, Japan, North Korea & to a lesser extent South Korea & the philippines though I dont think any of the two would act without the USA's consent unless it was in a self defense situation.

I remember reading somewhere that China said they were slightly worried about North Korea's missile testing.
 

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Hard as it may be to the collective Japanese conscious there is a growing consensus that they cannot totally rely on the USA and that they may at some point in the Future have to have their own DEFENSIVE Nuclear Based DETERRENT
Related: USA doesn't have enough aircraft; they pulled two dozen aircraft out of the boneyard to be returned to service.

I remember reading somewhere that China said they were slightly worried about North Korea's missile testing.
China is distancing itself from North Korea. Their relationship is mostly falling down to humanitarian. Ever since Kim Jong-Il passed away, North Korea has become a loose cannon.
 

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Related: USA doesn't have enough aircraft; they pulled two dozen aircraft out of the boneyard to be returned to service.


China is distancing itself from North Korea. Their relationship is mostly falling down to humanitarian. Ever since Kim Jong-Il passed away, North Korea has become a loose cannon.
we should just throw you yanks a bone and say "go boy! go fetch that oil!!!"


problem solved.

 

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Turns out China launched a space debris clearing device a couple of weeks ago.


Aolong-1, ‘The Roaming Dragon

Aolong-1, ‘The Roaming Dragon,’ was one of four small satellites sent into orbit aboard the Long March 7 rocket along with a ballast mass and a scaled prototype of China’s Next Generation Crew Vehicle. According to the Harbin Institute of Technology, the small satellite will complete a demonstration of space debris mitigation technology by using a small robotic arm to grab debris pieces and launch them toward the atmosphere.

Aolong-1 – a product of CALT/Harbin – reportedly carries a sub-satellite that will be released at some point in the mission to then be grabbed by the robotic arm. The satellite was most likely delivered to an orbit of 200 by 375-Kilometer orbit, indicating its mission is planned to be of short duration given the longevity of the orbit.


According to Chinese space officials, Aolong-1 is only the first in a series of satellites tasked with the collection of space debris as the country develops the technology needed to retrieve small debris up to entire spacecraft to be safely brought to a destructive re-entry.

South China Morning Post



An interesting read, with a slightly different spin.
http://spaceflight101.com/long-march-7-maiden-launch/aolong-1-asat-concerns/
 

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when i saw 'Roaming Dragon' and 'China' in one sentence it took me back to Tropic Thunder


"This is fwaiming dwagon..."
 

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Aolong-1 sounds suspiciously like it could be used for more nefarious purposes than just cleaning up "debris".

And, there's a reason engineers try to control as best they can the location and angle that objects re-enter the atmosphere: Safety. The Chinese method of using a robot arm to just chuck stuff from orbit into the atmosphere just screams dangerous, volatile, and irresponsible for anything that escapes burning up.
 
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So who whants to pitch objects from low earth orbit via a ground controled robotic arm?; just show me the controler already.
On a serious note does such tech exist? because aoutomatons in various Earth orbit cleaning shit up aree yet rto be made.
 

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So who whants to pitch objects from low earth orbit via a ground controled robotic arm?; just show me the controler already.
On a serious note does such tech exist? because aoutomatons in various Earth orbit cleaning shit up aree yet rto be made.
any one who wishes to either place NEW or further objects in space either in Orbit or using a Trans Orbital trajectory will want space De-cluttered of man made and Deployed JUNK
many Scientist / inventors and Nation State Space programs are Actively engaged in Research and prototype research
some idea's include nano Satellites to couple and De-orbit. Carbon nanotube Nets ( Space junk fishing )
Ground Based laser ( currently very practical but legally controversial ).
 
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Lol.. International space station launches and stays in space for 20 years.. Still kicking.
China makes one and 4 years later, it's falling out of the sky...
Hope it doesn't land on my place..lol.. 8 tons of "oh shit"...

China keeps puffing it's chest out like they have been, they might get into some deep shitnet.

In July 2016, the tribunal backed the Philippines' case, saying China had violated the Philippines' sovereign rights.

China had boycotted the proceedings, and called the ruling "ill-founded". It says it will not be bound by it.

Basically they don't care what anyone says...
It sounds a little strange to say this but unilateral is not necessarily "illegal" in the eyes of international law. The tribunal represents a separate, private method of arbitration and isn't some kind of all-binding court. It isn't backed by the United Nations and isn't legally binding on China.

Saw a recent analogy on Quora about this that cleared some things up for me; if we recall how justice systems work, there must be an enforcer/method of enforcement in order for a ruling to be effective. In a private, civil claim for example, even if the court rules in favour of a certain party and thus gives that party the right to enforce the decision (whether it be money or whatever), if that party decides not to enforce, the ruling is next to useless. With this tribunal's ruling, there is no enforcer, even if we assume that the ruling was legally binding.

So basically, there is no reason for China to listen to what the tribunal says. Popular culture and games like COD lead us to believe that the mere mention of the word "Hague" indicates some sort of all-powerful authority that is binding on every nation in the world. That's not how it is here.

Not saying that I think China embarking on aggressive unilateral expansion in SEA is "right" or a good idea stability-wise, and it is true that it threatens "weaker" Southeast Asian countries' sovereignty, even with countries such as Malaysia that don't have such a problem with China as the Philippines does due to their cooperation with China. It also isn't correct, however, to give significant (or any whatsoever) legal weight to this decision by the tribunal. What's happening in SEA is not the same as what's happening in Ukraine, and so the consequences will be appropriately different as well.

-- What *could be* positive is that the new president Duterte has hinted at possible cooperation with China if China stops its claims (presumably only the ones affecting the Philippines), which is a definite departure from the past, completely hostile stance of the Philippines government towards China. That is, if China decides to let up, which I highly doubt will be the case. We can hope, though. Duterte is much more skeptical of the US and willing to talk to China, and reminds me a little bit of South Korean leadership in recent years. Although the West likes to believe that it has a wholeheartedly committed ally in SK like it does in JP, SK is more of a middleman than anything.

On the topic of their space programme, to be blunt, what did you expect? When the US put Armstrong and Aldrin on the moon in 1969, China was still poor as hell, recovering from the Great Leap Forward, and in the throes of the Cultural Revolution. For those who aren't familiar with those events, the former was a massive famine beyond the scale of most Western readers' comprehension, and the latter was all-out social anarchy and hell on earth. China missed out on most of the advancements made in recent years, and wasn't a part of the extensive US - ESA - Russia cooperation on space exploration and the International Space Station. They've always been doing their own thing (not that anyone would want to work with them, given all the fear about cyberattacks, surveillance and China stealing Western secrets), without any prior experience, so what did you expect?

Re China ( and PRNK ) even Japan is now considering having its own nuclear Based DEFENSIVE DETERRENT

Hard as it may be to the collective Japanese conscious there is a growing consensus that they cannot totally rely on the USA and that they may at some point in the Future have to have their own DEFENSIVE Nuclear Based DETERRENT
Not sure if serious :confused:

If so that would be a pretty serious unilateral change to the balance of power in SEA

Though if they are just "considering it" then it won't be anything much. Everyone knows that virtually everyone in China hates Japan and virtually everyone in Japan hates China, but what most people aren't aware of is the two have the closest economic links of just about any country in the region (despite being "political enemies", and neither country is run by flamboyant, provocative idiots (Kim family) so nothing serious is going to become of it. Economic relations != military affairs, but people need to remember that there isn't an active state of war between the two countries. Diplomatic relations have been good between China and SK, and have taken a turn for the better the past few decades between China and JP.

@dorsetknob About that ground-based-laser thing, IIRC the US was the first to renounce its agreed compliance with the ABM Treaty, but I think the Outer Space Treaty still stands (though would it fall under the OST??). It does conjure up memories of Reagan's Star wars, which was shut down mostly on expense but also because of what would be massive political/strategic consequences between US and Russia, so yeah, you're right, I don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon.
 
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Energia, Russia's space corporation, is planning to build a "pod" that will knock junk out of orbit and back down to earth.According to Fast Company, the pod will have a nuclear power core to keep it running for about 15 years while it orbits the earth knocking defunct satellites out of orbit so that it can either burn up in the atmosphere or drop into the ocean . The pod will be constructed by 2020 and the company hopes it will be in operation by 2013. One of the company's representatives, Victor Sinyavsky, states "The corporation promised to clean up the space in ten years by collecting about 600 defunct satellites on the same geosynchronous orbit and sinking them into the ocean subsequently,"



From 2010
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russia_To_Spend_2_Bln_Dollars_For_Space_Clean_Up_999.html
 

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Just to be clear, there is nothing "defensive" about nuclear weapons. They are strictly offensive weapons. They are only a deterrent because of MAD (mutually assured destruction). MAD was true in the Cold War but I don't know if it is any more.

Japan occupied a large part of China during WW2. The main reason why Japan wants nukes is because North Korea has nukes; that said, Japan is concerned about the aggressiveness China is displaying in the region.

ABL was the go-to-test for long range weaponized LASERs. The plan was mostly scrapped in favor of much smaller variants with very short ranges (like two miles). Ground based lasers really don't pose much threat to things in orbit because there's so much atmosphere to go through to get there. LASERs would work great in space though but, as stated, there are treaties against weaponizing orbit. If it works, I wouldn't be surprised if an exception were to be created using LASERs to push debris back to Earth.
 

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On 17 June 1974, Japanese Prime Minister Tsutomu Hata told reporters that "it's certainly the case that Japan has the capability to possess nuclear weapons but has not made them." This remark aroused widespread concern in the international media at that time.

On 31 May 2002, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda became the most senior Tokyo official to publicly discuss Japan's acquisition of nuclear weapons. Fukuda said Japan's peace constitution did not preclude nuclear weapons, and that the times have "changed to the point that even revising the constitution is being talked about." He suggested that "depending upon the world situation, circumstances and public opinion could require Japan to possess nuclear weapons."

Some Reading for you here ( above paragraphs taken from here )
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/japan/nuke.htm
 
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I should get back on topic. My apologies for going OT.

Article here says we shouldn't have anything to worry about even if the space station does re-enter the atmosphere, as it's more likely to burn up than anything (not intended to survive reentry).

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I guess you could ask "what's to stop TG-2 from suffering the same fate as Skylab"? Nothing, I guess. Even experienced ol' NASA was not aware that Skylab would become such a gong show. But without any effective method of getting rid of space junk, maybe our best bet is to let as much of it burn up if it falls back to Earth.

@dorsetknob What baffles me is that oppolsition politicians in Japan keep on discussing "hitting North korea with nukes". I wasn't aware that NK was that high up the priority list for Japan. I guess it is a good thing that Abe can keep these far-right loons in line so they don't get Japan remilitarized and become a big pain int he ass for politics in all of Asia. SK is the one rightly concerned about North Korea and are the ones getting THAAD, which happens to be one hell of an annoyance for China because unlike Russia, China was not signatory to the INF Treaty banning IRBMs and MRBMs are still in the Chinese arsenal and part of China's strategy IIRC. So I really do not know why any Japanese politician in his right mind would consider discussing the nuclear option. It's a big deal as the military relationship between Japan and China isn't equal and isn't supposed to be equal, since Japan relying on the US is a given in any situation; "defensive" nukes are still nukes and will change the balance significantly if introduced. Good thing they've considered it since 1974 and nothing's come of it.
 
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