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Hello everyone,

So i was about to get a Ryzen 7 1700 before Coffee Lake gets released earlier than expected and with the current review results, i am stuck and not sure which one i should go with. I am currently thinking about going with Intel i7-8700 + MSI Z370A-PRO but with the Intel's early release and the game on boost clocks made me wonder if i am doing right.

I'm currently using an old notebook, sold my old CPU, Mobo and RAM already so can't wait for 2018.

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The rig mainly will be used for gaming. I will be also compiling scripts at basic level and really love to multi-task and wouldn't mind about having an extra power if i need to render something.
My budget for CPU/Mobo is $440, only from Amazon.com

Thanks in advance! :lovetpu:
 
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I would choose intel unless you really need the 2 extra cores of the ryzen 7.
Go 8700k in case you feel like overclocking later for more power otherwise the Z370 chipset is kinda wasted.
 
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I would choose intel unless you really need the 2 extra cores of the ryzen 7.
Go 8700k in case you feel like overclocking later for more power otherwise the Z370 chipset is kinda wasted.
Thank you for your advice. I'm currently very tight on budget and with the limited availability of 8700K, i think 8700 wouldn't upset me down.
Also it doesn't have to be ryzen 7, i am wondering should i consider ryzen 5 1600 at all or no need to?
 
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what resolution are you using for gaming? if it is 1440p and you want to save some money you can go for the Ryzen5 1600X if you're on 1080p you will be better off with the 8700(k)
 
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Ryzen is cheaper and you do get the same number of cores : 6.
I personally am not buying ryzen because I fully expect ryzen 2 to bring significant improvements. Never been a fan of jumping on something first generation.
 
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Id go Ryzen as the platform will last longer the intels current platform (most likely) and by this time next yr Zen+ will be out with better price performance again then the current intel offering and I cant see intels current offering be much better then Zen+ and at a price premium as always.
 
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what resolution are you using for gaming? if it is 1440p and you want to save some money you can go for the Ryzen5 1600X if you're on 1080p you will be better off with the 8700(k)
I'm still gaming on 1080p@60, sadly. Thank you for the advice! :toast:

What if i get a Ryzen 5 1600 with a cheap mobo + 1440p monitor? Would it worth it? AOC Q2778VQE for example.
 
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What games is probably more important than the setup.

I would say the 1600 is probably the best value proposition unless you need to be hitting good FPS, especially if you have a tight budget. Also, if Zen2 doesnt have the same cuts in gaming performance relative to intel, you will be able to upgrade down the road.

Else, you might have to wait a while for the coffee lake stuff to get on the shelves, so you might have time to save up for a 8700k. If you go for an i5 or a non-k now, you will probably have less options down the road seeing as intel will probably ditch support for Z370...
 
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I'm still gaming on 1080p@60, sadly. Thank you for the advice! :toast:

What if i get a Ryzen 5 1600 with a cheap mobo + 1440p monitor? Would it worth it? AOC Q2778VQE for example.
What about 1700+cheap mobo, is that an option within your budget?
 
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I'm still gaming on 1080p@60, sadly. Thank you for the advice! :toast:

What if i get a Ryzen 5 1600 with a cheap mobo + 1440p monitor? Would it worth it? AOC Q2778VQE for example.
Sounds good but I would get a high refresh rate monitor if I was you :)
 
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When you say cheap mobo

you can get a low cost B350 board and they offer the same capabilities as X370 excluding multi GPU support
 

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Ryzen..? no thanks.....
Unlocked intel i5 + Z motherboard + 16GB ram, call it done,
I'm still gaming on 1080p@60, sadly. Thank you for the advice! :toast:
Nothing wrong with it, i do play like that, no regrets, also im quite happy with the FPS, Temps and experience, would like to move on to 3x1080p screens, Nvidia surround, maybe next year!

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What games is probably more important than the setup.

I would say the 1600 is probably the best value proposition unless you need to be hitting good FPS, especially if you have a tight budget. Also, if Zen2 doesnt have the same cuts in gaming performance relative to intel, you will be able to upgrade down the road.

Else, you might have to wait a while for the coffee lake stuff to get on the shelves, so you might have time to save up for a 8700k. If you go for an i5 or a non-k now, you will probably have less options down the road seeing as intel will probably ditch support for Z370...
What about 1700+cheap mobo, is that an option within your budget?
Not really, if i try to put a monitor in my budget, i will have to wait for the Amazon.de partnernet to get paid so i can get the motherboard. This should be happened by end of the month but can't guarantee it since i am new on that.
Sounds good but I would get a high refresh rate monitor if I was you :)
Do you think would it be better to have 1080p@144 than 1440p@60? Doesn't feels wrong :)
When you say cheap mobo

you can get a low cost B350 board and they offer the same capabilities as X370 excluding multi GPU support
Yeah, i was thinking about ASUS B350 Prime Plus as mobo if i choose to get a monitor, else i was going to get X370 Gaming Plus from MSI for $110
Ryzen..? no thanks.....
Unlocked intel i5 + Z motherboard + 16GB ram, call it done,

Nothing wrong with it, i do play like that, no regrets, also im quite happy with the FPS, Temps and experience, would like to move on to 3x1080p screens, Nvidia surround, maybe next year!

Regards,
Thank you for your advice. I already got the 16GB ram for $95 (nice catch :p) and imho to use the OC capabilities of that i5, i would also going to need a proper motherboard + a cooler which should cost the same. Would you still get i5(k) in this situation?

Also should i really push myself to get a 1440p or 144hz monitor? It will make me wait until end of the month minimum as i must wait for partnernet(affiliate of amazon.de) payment to get the mobo. Maybe i should just postpone the monitor for now. :D
 
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144Hz I'd say.
 

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Thank you for your advice. I already got the 16GB ram for $95 (nice catch :p) and imho to use the OC capabilities of that i5, i would also going to need a proper motherboard + a cooler which should cost the same. Would you still get i5(k) in this situation?
Pretty much, also would delid and see how it performs,

Also should i really push myself to get a 1440p or 144hz monitor? It will make me wait until end of the month minimum as i must wait for partnernet(affiliate of amazon.de) payment to get the mobo. Maybe i should just postpone the monitor for now. :D
both are great option, i guess the one that migh fit your situation the best at the moment, is 144hz one, no matter if your still on 1080p, the point is the having the most complete possible setup for the desired resolution to play...


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ill be worried about an unlocked processor to take out all the juice from that Z87 board, all the given specs are fine for happy gaming, no bottlenecks or performance losses with all, so spend your money wise, improve cooling, storages (moar SSD's or moar storage for photos, videos etc,.) but improving processor, ram and board to ryzen will result in "0" notable performance boost or improvement over what you have to justify the investment, also resale value of intel hardware always is higher compared to all amd products when they come to 2nd hand market,



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I would go for the 1440p 144hz if possible :)
 
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But i might be a graphics whore inside (even i play minecraft etc.) so would i be able to get 144fps on 1080p with ryzen 1600? Or do i need to get 144 fps at all? Shouldn't it flicker without g-sync?
Pretty much, also would delid and see how it performs,


both are great option, i guess the one that migh fit your situation the best at the moment, is 144hz one, no matter if your still on 1080p, the point is the having the most complete possible setup for the desired resolution to play...


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ill be worried about an unlocked processor to take out all the juice from that Z87 board, all the given specs are fine for happy gaming, no bottlenecks or performance losses with all, so spend your money wise, improve cooling, storages (moar SSD's or moar storage for photos, videos etc,.) but improving processor, ram and board to ryzen will result in "0" notable performance boost or improvement over what you have to justify the investment, also resale value of intel hardware always is higher compared to all amd products when they come to 2nd hand market,



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That's why i wanted to go with i7-non K, i can easily maximize the potential of my GPU and if i need to render something at some point it wouldn't disappoint me.

Also to clarify something, i have actually bought MSI H81M-P33 for i5-4670, the Z87 was a review unit given to me as gift.

I would go for the 1440p 144hz if possible :)
Maybe we should just remove the monitor option or we will end up with 2160p@144hz monitor to my notebook :D :D
 

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the Z87 was a review unit given to me as gift.
do you still have it?
i have actually bought MSI H81M-P33 for i5-4670
reasons? why betting lower board compared to Z87 ..?

That's why i wanted to go with i7-non K, i can easily maximize the potential of my GPU and if i need to render something at some point it wouldn't disappoint me.
its better to get the "K" variant, better resale value!
 
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do you still have it?

reasons? why betting lower board compared to Z87 ..?


its better to get the "K" variant, better resale value!
Nope, i have sold it to make a budget for upgrade.

Since it was a non-k version and at the time i could only afford H81M which gives the some performance, why not if i am not going to oc, need the extra usb or sata ports? :D

Yes but i have already pushed my budget to limits to get the i7-8700. Also getting the non-k variant on stocks seems to gonna take less than K version.
 

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Nope, i have sold it to make a budget for upgrade.

Since it was a non-k version and at the time i could only afford H81M which gives the some performance, why not if i am not going to oc, need the extra usb or sata ports? :D
well, that could be a bad move, but there is nothing to do with already done things,

Yes but i have already pushed my budget to limits to get the i7-8700. Also getting the non-k variant on stocks seems to gonna take less than K version.
consider also newer motherboard, sockets and processor arent compatible with you already have, since you have a tight budget for all upgrade guess the best for you will be a 1150 i7, so you just save ram and board getting a decent boost over what you have

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#21
well, that could be a bad move, but there is nothing to do with already done things,


consider also newer motherboard, sockets and processor arent compatible with you already have, since you have a tight budget for all upgrade guess the best for you will be a 1150 i7, so you just save ram and board getting a decent boost over what you have

Regards,
I am sorry but i think i am being misunderstood atm. I am going to get a CPU and Mobo. I've already sold my old CPU, Mobo and RAM. Also i have already bought the Ram so i will only need to get a CPU&Mobo for $440.
 
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#22
oh man - you're so close to an 8700k, just need $60 more for that and a MSI Z370.
 
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#23
I've just ordered a 1600X with MSI X370 Gaming Plus. Going to buy a 144hz or 1440p monitor later. Thank you all for your suggestions, highly appreciated! :) :lovetpu:
 
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#24
Since your emphasis is gaming, with a few other secondary tasks, it's a no-brainer. Get the i7-8700k. Just be patient and wait. More will become available shortly.
 
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I've just ordered a 1600X with MSI X370 Gaming Plus. Going to buy a 144hz or 1440p monitor later. Thank you all for your suggestions, highly appreciated! :) :lovetpu:
So finally i have received the parts and can use my system again. I'm glad i didn't waited for coffee lake which is not even available for pre-order (talking for Amazon).

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