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Right now, I am running the following system: i5 8600K, Z370 Taichi, 2x970 Evo Plus 2TB, and 2x8GB G.Skill 3200C14 Bdie ram. The videocard is a 3060 12GB.

My system has been getting increasingly flaky for the past couple months, was having issues with PCI express lanes not working, one of my M.2 slots isn't stable. I am pretty sure it is the Z370 Taichi motherboard to blame, as I have tested the hardware on another Z370 based system I own.

I think it is probably time to upgrade soon to something newer with more cores. I mostly use this system for gaming, I primarily play just two games:
1. FiveM - very poorly coded GTA V multiplayer mod, needs fast single thread and lots of cores. I also do some dev stuff and its helpful to run multiple game clients.
2. Space Engineers - needs fast single thread

I also occasionally do some video editing/compiling. Those jobs take a long time on my 6 core 6 thread 8600K.

I was considering also simultaneously upgrading ram to 32GB, so it probably would make sense to do DDR5. The options I was looking at was probably the soon to be released Ryzen 7000X series, or doing a 12700K. The 12700K at $350 from Microcenter is fairly tempting. It seems to do most things reasonably well. The 5800X3D lacks DDR5 support and is $80 more than the 12700K (Microcenter pricing).

Not sure about the motherboard either, I am partial to ASRock, could also do MSI or Asus. I've had some bad experiences with Gigabyte. I'm not a fan boy of any brand, just had good experiences so far with ASRock, with exception of this Taichi.

Any thoughts?
 
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Right now, I am running the following system: i5 8600K, Z370 Taichi, 2x970 Evo Plus 2TB, and 2x8GB G.Skill 3200C14 Bdie ram. The videocard is a 3060 12GB.

My system has been getting increasingly flaky for the past couple months, was having issues with PCI express lanes not working, one of my M.2 slots isn't stable. I am pretty sure it is the Z370 Taichi motherboard to blame, as I have tested the hardware on another Z370 based system I own.

I think it is probably time to upgrade soon to something newer with more cores. I mostly use this system for gaming, I primarily play just two games:
1. FiveM - very poorly coded GTA V multiplayer mod, needs fast single thread and lots of cores. I also do some dev stuff and its helpful to run multiple game clients.
2. Space Engineers - needs fast single thread

I also occasionally do some video editing/compiling. Those jobs take a long time on my 6 core 6 thread 8600K.

I was considering also simultaneously upgrading ram to 32GB, so it probably would make sense to do DDR5. The options I was looking at was probably the soon to be released Ryzen 7000X series, or doing a 12700K. The 12700K at $350 from Microcenter is fairly tempting. It seems to do most things reasonably well. The 5800X3D lacks DDR5 support and is $80 more than the 12700K (Microcenter pricing).

Not sure about the motherboard either, I am partial to ASRock, could also do MSI or Asus. I've had some bad experiences with Gigabyte. I'm not a fan boy of any brand, just had good experiences so far with ASRock, with exception of this Taichi.

Any thoughts?
If I were you I would either wait for the next gen stuff to go DDR5 or just do this
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It will be only 10% slower while it will cost less than half what you would pay for 12700k with ddr5.
 
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1. you know your stuff so I don't think you need anyone here to tell you what works but

I also occasionally do some video editing/compiling. Those jobs take a long time on my 6 core 6 thread 8600K.

2. is that for work of personal use? If it's for work I would say the sooner the better but if it's for personal use Microcenter may have some Intel CPU & Mobo deals after the the Ryzen 7000 launch

3. as for Mobos, I typically have issues with the cheaper ones especially Asrock & Gigabyte for for the mid tier+ all four have served me well in the past. I think MSI may give you more for your money over Asus but I prefer the Asus BIOS if you like to tinker constantly.
 
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If I were you I would either wait for the next gen stuff to go DDR5 or just do this View attachment 259247.
It will be only 10% slower while it will cost less than half what you would pay for 12700k with ddr5.
That is a good suggestion but would be nice to move past 14nm at some point lol. And I do want to upgrade to 32GB ram.

1. you know your stuff so I don't think you need anyone here to tell you what works but



2. is that for work of personal use? If it's for work I would say the sooner the better but if it's for personal use Microcenter may have some Intel CPU & Mobo deals after the the Ryzen 7000 launch

3. as for Mobos, I typically have issues with the cheaper ones especially Asrock & Gigabyte for for the mid tier+ all four have served me well in the past. I think MSI may give you more for your money over Asus but I prefer the Asus BIOS if you like to tinker constantly.
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2) Personal use, video editing isn't that mission critical to me, would be nice to be done faster though.

3) For 2017 Z370 era, Asus has some better offset voltage settings called adaptive voltage which gives more stability at idle clocks, are other brands using that type of offset voltage control now in 2022?
 
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For 2017 Z370 era, Asus has some better offset voltage settings called adaptive voltage which gives more stability at idle clocks
I had an Asus Z370-P and it OC my 8600k like crap, switched to a Gigabyte Z370 gaming and had no issue with the same exact CPU. That was my most recent Asus mobo, otherwise it was OK but a little skimpy on features. I'd still buy from them if the price was right.
 

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That is a good suggestion but would be nice to move past 14nm at some point lol. And I do want to upgrade to 32GB ram.



For 2017 Z370 era, Asus has some better offset voltage settings called adaptive voltage which gives more stability at idle clocks, are other brands using that type of offset voltage control now in 2022?
You can get 32gb ddr4 for like 1/3 of the price.
12700k/ddr5 over 11700k/ddr4 you'll gain around 15% performance combined imo not worth twice the price.
That's why I suggested if you want to spend that kind of money might as well wait for next gen to actually see some significant performance gains.
 
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You can get 32gb ddr4 for like 1/3 of the price.
12700k/ddr5 over 11700k/ddr4 you'll gain around 15% performance combined imo not worth twice the price.
That's why I suggested if you want to spend that kind of money might as well wait for next gen to actually see some significant performance gains.
Yeah I can see that now, 32GB DDR5 ram is mad expensive and not much better than DDR4.
 
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If I were you I would either wait for the next gen stuff to go DDR5 or just do this View attachment 259247.
It will be only 10% slower while it will cost less than half what you would pay for 12700k with ddr5.

i7 11700K, no E-cores
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Yes, some of my lack of enthusiasm for a 11700K was I tried a 9900K for a bit and returned it because it ran hot as hell and had very minimal performance gain over the 8600K. 11700K is very similar to 9900K. Right now thinking I'd either hold out with the 8600K another couple months, and then do a 7x00X3D, or I'd do a 12700K if my Z370 Taichi fails suddenly, its been flakier by the week but might make it that long.
 
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Yes, some of my lack of enthusiasm for a 11700K was I tried a 9900K for a bit and returned it because it ran hot as hell and had very minimal performance gain over the 8600K. 11700K is very similar to 9900K. Right now thinking I'd either hold out with the 8600K another couple months, and then do a 7x00X3D, or I'd do a 12700K if my Z370 Taichi fails suddenly, its been flakier by the week but might make it that long.

I had a i7 6700K Skylake and waited a long time to finally upgrade to i7 12700K, all previous CPU gens before were basically still Skylake, just with some more cores added.

As @dgianstefani mentioned wait for new gen this year, hopefully somewhat affordable CPU's and new motherboards.
 
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If you can wait for the 13th gen i5 - 6P+4E, combined with a discounted 12th gen DDR4 mobo...

Ooooo lala

In my view Asrock belongs to budget and mid range segment, they're just not as good as MSI/Giga/Asus.

I've built an 8700k system on a z370 extreme4 board though for a friend, OC'd to 5.0 all core 24/7, AFAIK it's still good so YMMV.
 
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My system has been getting increasingly flaky for the past couple months, was having issues with PCI express lanes not working, one of my M.2 slots isn't stable. I am pretty sure it is the Z370 Taichi motherboard to blame, as I have tested the hardware on another Z370 based system I own.

Sounds like you need to replace mobo with a Z390 on the cheap today. Replace everything sometime in the future.
 
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Just remember, you can replace the CPU, graphics card, drives, RAM, PSU and even the case and still be good to go. But as soon as you replace the motherboard, that constitutes a new computer - in terms of software licensing.

So, to remain perfectly legal, depending on your current Windows license, you may need to purchase a new license when you replace the motherboard. If your current license is OEM, it stays with the current "O"riginal "E"quipment motherboard. Only full "retail" licenses can legally be transferred to new computers or new motherboards.

Note, if the current license is OEM, you agreed to the terms of the license agreement (EULA) when you decided to keep using that license on the old machine. That's what makes it legally binding. Point being, while you could simply move the boot drive to the new motherboard and it likely would work (at least for awhile), that does not mean it is now an authorized (or legal) installation. Microsoft will not waste their time going after you in court, but they have been known to disable unauthorized/illegal copies of Windows once detected.

So again, if your current license is a full retail license, no problem. Just make sure you uninstall all previous installations so that license is only used for your new system. But if OEM (as the vast majority are) include a new license in your budget. And in that case, I recommend a full retail so you never have to deal with this again.

Last, while this typically is an issue with operating system licenses, it may also affect other software licenses for other programs you purchased in the past. This is more common for programs that come pre-installed on factory built computers and is not a problem for self-built systems. Still, something to remember.
 
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To put some perspective on the current market compared to 8700K generation. High end motherboards was $300-400 for Z390. Now they go up to $2,000.

You can still get a decent LGA 1700 board for $250-300 where it counts. It might not look pretty with a ton of extra features but it gets the job done.

For AMD. Well we have to wait a bit for official pricing.
 
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Definitely worth waiting for 13th gen/Ryzen 7000 at this point especially if you keep your system a long time.

At the very least it should make 12th gen even cheaper. I definitely would skip rocket lake though regardless of how cheap it is a 12600k is substantially better than a 11700k imo.

If going with an older generation I'd just wait for a 5800X3D to get cheaper over going with any other old gen socket.
 
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Wondering about buying a 32GB DDR5 6000 C36 kit for $190
Cheap!! I bought my Corsair Dominator 32GB 6000 CL36 kit @ 329 Euros..

You are lucky, everything is cheaper where you live...
 
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Right now, I am running the following system: i5 8600K, Z370 Taichi, 2x970 Evo Plus 2TB, and 2x8GB G.Skill 3200C14 Bdie ram. The videocard is a 3060 12GB.

My system has been getting increasingly flaky for the past couple months, was having issues with PCI express lanes not working, one of my M.2 slots isn't stable. I am pretty sure it is the Z370 Taichi motherboard to blame, as I have tested the hardware on another Z370 based system I own.

I think it is probably time to upgrade soon to something newer with more cores. I mostly use this system for gaming, I primarily play just two games:
1. FiveM - very poorly coded GTA V multiplayer mod, needs fast single thread and lots of cores. I also do some dev stuff and its helpful to run multiple game clients.
2. Space Engineers - needs fast single thread

I also occasionally do some video editing/compiling. Those jobs take a long time on my 6 core 6 thread 8600K.

I was considering also simultaneously upgrading ram to 32GB, so it probably would make sense to do DDR5. The options I was looking at was probably the soon to be released Ryzen 7000X series, or doing a 12700K. The 12700K at $350 from Microcenter is fairly tempting. It seems to do most things reasonably well. The 5800X3D lacks DDR5 support and is $80 more than the 12700K (Microcenter pricing).

Not sure about the motherboard either, I am partial to ASRock, could also do MSI or Asus. I've had some bad experiences with Gigabyte. I'm not a fan boy of any brand, just had good experiences so far with ASRock, with exception of this Taichi.

Any thoughts?
I would definitely wait for more solid benchmarks on the Ryzen 7000 series... If the upgrade bug has bit you that bad, Intel gen 12 is the obvious choice for you.

Patience is a virtue.
 
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To put some perspective on the current market compared to 8700K generation. High end motherboards was $300-400 for Z390. Now they go up to $2,000.

You can still get a decent LGA 1700 board for $250-300 where it counts. It might not look pretty with a ton of extra features but it gets the job done.

For AMD. Well we have to wait a bit for official pricing.

Ehh, there are some really good deals right now.

I don't know that it gets better than this.

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Cheap!! I bought my Corsair Dominator 32GB 6000 CL36 kit @ 329 Euros..

You are lucky, everything is cheaper where you live...
It is Microcenter's usual loss leader product + it is an open box kit, usually that combination can bring some pretty incredible pricing. They have lifetime warranty on Gskill so I'll probably buy it and hold it for the rest of the system in a month or two.
 
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Wondering about buying a 32GB DDR5 6000 C36 kit for $190

Kit is G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK - Black

Is that a good price for this?

Where the heck are you seeing that?
 
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Microcenter Open Box.

Lucky. Closest thing here at MC is the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL30 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit F5-6000J3040F16GX2-TZ5RK @ $299. Seems like a lot of lower CL DDR5 is either just coming out or maybe the price came down.
 
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