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System Name | Silent |
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Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D @ 5.15ghz BCLK OC, TG AM5 High Performance Heatspreader |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix X670E-I, chipset fans removed |
Cooling | Optimus AMD Raw Copper/Plexi, HWLABS Copper 240/40+240/30, D5, 4x Noctua A12x25, Mayhems Ultra Pure |
Memory | 32 GB Dominator Platinum 6150 MHz 26-36-36-48, 56.6ns AIDA, 2050 FLCK, 160 ns TRFC |
Video Card(s) | RTX 3080 Ti Founders Edition, Conductonaut Extreme, 18 W/mK MinusPad Extreme, Corsair XG7 Waterblock |
Storage | Intel Optane DC P1600X 118 GB, Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB |
Display(s) | 32" 240 Hz 1440p Samsung G7, 31.5" 165 Hz 1440p LG NanoIPS Ultragear |
Case | Sliger SM570 CNC Aluminium 13-Litre, 3D printed feet, custom front panel with pump/res combo |
Audio Device(s) | Audeze Maxwell Ultraviolet, Razer Nommo Pro |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum, transparent custom cables, Sentinel Pro 1500 Online Double Conversion UPS |
Mouse | Razer Viper Pro V2 Mercury White w/Tiger Ice Skates & Pulsar Supergrip tape |
Keyboard | Wooting 60HE+ module, TOFU Redux Burgundy w/brass weight, Prismcaps White & Jellykey, lubed/modded |
Software | Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 19053.3803 |
Benchmark Scores | Legendary |
I swear if I ever get into watercooling, this is going to be a thing. Otherwise what is the bloody point. Need to see low temps or its a total waste of time
Delidding is a last resort measure, or at least, should be, because you kill warranty with it and there is a real risk of doing it wrong which means you can brick a CPU. At the same time, the performance gained from delidding barely exists - the only reason a delid is really going to get you anywhere further is when you want to push for record OC's. The real world gain of a delid in performance is at the very best 200mhz. That is less than 5% on a 5Ghz CPU. Seems a bit weak for the risk, cost and effort involved. Most use cases however barely extract 100mhz, so you end up with performance gaps that are almost margin of error territory.
The actual fact is, YOU don't get it. Look at the recent reviews and even stock temps of the SOLDERED Intel 9th gen. That's right 90 C is not uncommon. The fact is, as transistor density / mm² goes up, so does the concentration of heat. At the same time, Intel's 7th, 8th and 9th gen CPUs have progressively increased the Vcore on stock so they basically are just overclocking CPUs out of the box for you, so headroom shrinks.
Intel's soldered CPUs have definitively proven that their 14nm Core stuff is at peak performance and you run into voltage, thermal and throughput thresholds all at the same time (its why RAM latency and freq also has noticeable effect). Clocking further makes absolutely no sense apart from epeen value. You can count your blessings if you can hit the 1-core turbo across all cores these days.
Mr. Expert presenting incomplete statistics to support his flawed opinion.
The benefit of delidding is not simply to OC harder for that "5% gain of 200mhz" but to reduce temperatures. With no other changes to the rest of the system, delidding and repasting with good thermal paste or liquid metal ideally, will result in temperature drops of between 5-20 degrees celcius, assuming your heatsink and fan assembly have the capacity to remove the additional heat transferred from the chip.
When was the last time you returned a CPU through a warranty claim? Arguing the "risk" of delidding (which is literally just removing the heatspreader, changing the underlying compound then replacing the heatspreader) is like arguing that people shouldn't perform bicycle maintenance by themselves because of the "risk" of getting something wrong. The risk is minimal if you know what you are doing and use the correct tools, and anyone who's delidded knows this. Personally I've used both the professional tools such as DerBauer's Die Mate, but also just a standard vice.
But yeah, stick to the tired argument of "it's too extreme and risky", which would certainly be true if you were computer illiterate and clumsy (sound like the members on this site?).