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:confused:what do you think?
 
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Phenom II if u own a AM2+ board already. Well phenom II anyway because the i7 boards are ridiculously priced.
 

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Heres a comparison at [H] http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Even tho the conclusion is pretty disappointing for Phenom:

''The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser.

Does that mean it is without value? Absolutely not. But I think those that will find value in it will be few and far between and even fewer of those folks will be computer hardware enthusiasts.

If you are a gamer or a content creation professional, my suggestion to you is to save your pennies and get the Intel Core i7. Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''
 
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Heres a comparison at [H] http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Even tho the conclusion is pretty disappointing for Phenom:

''The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser.

Does that mean it is without value? Absolutely not. But I think those that will find value in it will be few and far between and even fewer of those folks will be computer hardware enthusiasts.

If you are a gamer or a content creation professional, my suggestion to you is to save your pennies and get the Intel Core i7. Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''
I highly recommend u get Phen II for now. Elsewhere stick with the Core 2. Grab a good quad and mobo and it should do u for at least another year.
 

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Heres a comparison at [H] http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Even tho the conclusion is pretty disappointing for Phenom:

''The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser.

Does that mean it is without value? Absolutely not. But I think those that will find value in it will be few and far between and even fewer of those folks will be computer hardware enthusiasts.

If you are a gamer or a content creation professional, my suggestion to you is to save your pennies and get the Intel Core i7. Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''
Of course the i7 is better, but it's priced much higher too. Not to mention, I think most would agree that this particular article carries some bias. One thing he said is not necessarily true. It is fairly even with C2Q chips, which make them a viable option for people who would be otherwise planning on building a C2Q rig.
 
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So far PNM2 = 2.... core i7 = 2
 

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Of course the i7 is better, but it's priced much higher too. Not to mention, I think most would agree that this particular article carries some bias. One thing he said is not necessarily true. It is fairly even with C2Q chips, which make them a viable option for people who would be otherwise planning on building a C2Q rig.
I've proven in another thread that you can get a i7 for the cost of a high end P II rig. "Cheapest" but not a bad build of a motherboard starts a $206
 
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I've proven in another thread that you can get a i7 for the cost of a high end P II rig. "Cheapest" but not a bad build of a motherboard starts a $206
yeah, the gigabyte ud3r, if u dont look for a sli capable mobo, is a pretty good contender for the price
 

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Of course the i7 is better, but it's priced much higher too. Not to mention, I think most would agree that this particular article carries some bias. One thing he said is not necessarily true. It is fairly even with C2Q chips, which make them a viable option for people who would be otherwise planning on building a C2Q rig.
True, but Phenom II was supposed to compete( at least the AM3's are supposed to) against Core i7 and it fails to do so, Amd shouldn't be happy that they are just now able to get there game up to Intels level. Maybe its the DDR3 that Core i7 has, maybe when the AM3 CPU's come out it will be equal performance across all platforms. But i was really expected Phenom II to really give Intel a run for its money. Price wise the Phenoms II's are awesome and it makes it harder to pick Core 2 or Phenom II, But maybe when AM3 is out it ill make it harder to pick Phenom II or Core i7. As of now there is no reason to go Phenom II besides price and near Core 2 performance.
 
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True, but Phenom II was supposed to compete( at least the AM3's are supposed to) against Core i7 and it fails to do so, Amd shouldn't be happy that they are just now able to get there game up to Intels level. Maybe its the DDR3 that Core i7 has, maybe when the AM3 CPU's come out it will be equal performance across all platforms. But i was really expected Phenom II to really give Intel a run for its money. Price wise the Phenoms II's are awesome and it makes it harder to pick Core 2 or Phenom II, But maybe when AM3 is out it ill make it harder to pick Phenom II or Core i7. As of now there is no reason to go Phenom II besides price and near Core 2 performance.
and dont forget dirty cheap high end mobos :)
 

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The current price of Phenom II is not really THAT attractive.

I think most gamers won't spend that much for a processor, unless they do a major upgrade from their current system.

I don't think Phenom II is REAL value processor, price/performance ratio. If I have to build a gaming system with not really high budget, I will get the E8000 series, and spend more on VGA cards, which will result on better FPS than an expensive quad-core cpu.

But, If I want a high-end system, I would go with Core i7, which offer the newest and more advanced technologies (HyperThreading, Turbo, and Triple-channel DDR3).

I will only recommend Phenom II, when its price drop down to under $239 for the BE Edition.
 

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I've proven in another thread that you can get a i7 for the cost of a high end P II rig. "Cheapest" but not a bad build of a motherboard starts a $206
I do understand that. However, you can get a higher end AM2+ board for $100 less than the cheapest i7 board. We all know that the motherboard is a VERY important part of the puzzle when overclocking, so you'd never see me purchase the cheapest board on any platform. So, considering the level of hardware I would purchase, i7 would cost a lot more than the 945BE that I'm currently using.
 

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yeah, the gigabyte ud3r, if u dont look for a sli capable mobo, is a pretty good contender for the price
That's why I suggested it Paulie. There's nothing wrong with that mobo. In fact it's amazing if you aren't running SLI.
 
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The current price of Phenom II is not really THAT attractive.

I think most gamers won't spend that much for a processor, unless they do a major upgrade from their current system.

I don't think Phenom II is REAL value processor, price/performance ratio. If I have to build a gaming system with not really high budget, I will get the E8000 series, and spend more on VGA cards, which will result on better FPS than an expensive quad-core cpu.

But, If I want a high-end system, I would go with Core i7, which offer the newest and more advanced technologies (HyperThreading, Turbo, and Triple-channel DDR3).

I will only recommend Phenom II, when its price drop down to under $239 for the BE Edition.
Ya I agree. For the Phen II prices and mobos u can get a high end c2d/c2q and a good X48/P45 $150 mobo.
 
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True, but Phenom II was supposed to compete( at least the AM3's are supposed to) against Core i7 and it fails to do so, Amd shouldn't be happy that they are just now able to get there game up to Intels level. Maybe its the DDR3 that Core i7 has, maybe when the AM3 CPU's come out it will be equal performance across all platforms. But i was really expected Phenom II to really give Intel a run for its money. Price wise the Phenoms II's are awesome and it makes it harder to pick Core 2 or Phenom II, But maybe when AM3 is out it ill make it harder to pick Phenom II or Core i7. As of now there is no reason to go Phenom II besides price and near Core 2 performance.
You can't say that yet though because AM3 boards aren't out yet. We really won't know what happens until we see how the chips react when using DDR3.
Given I don't think performance will even be close, but I think that there's a good chance with the new memory controller that the PII could take a C2Q, especially the mid-range C2Q chips that are priced the same.
We've seen the PII clock up to 5ghz so far, our own paulieg got his to 3.9 being unfamiliar with the AMD64 system. These chips can clock like monsters and I'm willing to bet that a PII at max clocks will edge out a C2Q at max clocks (outside of anything Futuremark does)
 

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lol, ya going Phenom II is cheaper overall.
Sure phenom 2 is cheaper, its also 1/2 the power, there is a reason its cheaper.

Ya I agree. For the Phen II prices and mobos u can get a high end c2d/c2q and a good X48/P45 $150 mobo.

Agreed, at the moment for someone looking to put a GOOD machine together for a decent price 775 quads are the way to go, but thats also because they have been available for 2+ years now and there are tons of options for motherboards.

If i7 had been around for the same amount of time their would be the same options.

If you want something that will last 4+ years grab an i7 rig, you can get a cpu, mobo, and ram for ~$1000, thats not all that much money compared to how much computers cost 3-5 years ago...

i7 is the better performer right now, and obviously it will cost more, this is like comparing a 7900GT to an 8800GTX, sure the GTX is more money, but its 10x the card th 7900GT is as well...
 
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The current price of Phenom II is not really THAT attractive.

I think most gamers won't spend that much for a processor, unless they do a major upgrade from their current system.

I don't think Phenom II is REAL value processor, price/performance ratio. If I have to build a gaming system with not really high budget, I will get the E8000 series, and spend more on VGA cards, which will result on better FPS than an expensive quad-core cpu.

But, If I want a high-end system, I would go with Core i7, which offer the newest and more advanced technologies (HyperThreading, Turbo, and Triple-channel DDR3).

I will only recommend Phenom II, when its price drop down to under $239 for the BE Edition.
But unfortunately none of the breaking edge tech on the i7 really helps gaming at all, the C2D chips are still the best bet if the only thing you plan to do is gaming and benching.
However if you do other things like video editing or photoshop for example the PII or the i7 are going to be good choices considering the overclocking power and the multi-threaded support they have.
 
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You can't say that yet though because AM3 boards aren't out yet. We really won't know what happens until we see how the chips react when using DDR3.
Given I don't think performance will even be close, but I think that there's a good chance with the new memory controller that the PII could take a C2Q, especially the mid-range C2Q chips that are priced the same.
We've seen the PII clock up to 5ghz so far, our own paulieg got his to 3.9 being unfamiliar with the AMD64 system. These chips can clock like monsters and I'm willing to bet that a PII at max clocks will edge out a C2Q at max clocks (outside of anything Futuremark does)
I am still going to have to go with [H] on that one:

''Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''

I do agree that PII could definitely take on C2Q, even OCing wise.
 

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I can have either, but I chose to spend less right now. So I chose PII. In another 6 months, I may change my mind. Actually, I'm still running Intel in my second rig.
 

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If i was on a budget, Phenom II(first PC build was AMD also:)). But if i had the cash i would go Core i7, more expensive but will last.

I will see how AM3 is tho.
 
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Processor AMD Athlon X2 4200+ @ 2.21GHz/ C2D 2.0 GHZ
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#24
ROUND 3: what mobo would you choose?
 
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#25
Round 2: If You Could Have Either, What Would You Pick?
If they halved the price of there boards, i'll pick i7. The dam board prices are gonna stay the same until like X68 comes out.
 
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