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so what do u guy think about via procs
 
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They suck
 
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Heres a comparison at [H] http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Even tho the conclusion is pretty disappointing for Phenom:

''The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser.

Does that mean it is without value? Absolutely not. But I think those that will find value in it will be few and far between and even fewer of those folks will be computer hardware enthusiasts.

If you are a gamer or a content creation professional, my suggestion to you is to save your pennies and get the Intel Core i7. Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''
Intel fanboy maybe?
 
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Intel fanboy maybe?
He's not being very fanboy, he's being realistic. I'm an AMD fanboy and even I can admit that the PII (at least the AM2+ version) can't compete with i7.
 
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The i7 platform is too pricey for most, 6GB of DDR3 performance ram costs a fortune, then there is the overpriced i7 boards.

I opted to stay with the current 775 platform instead of upgrading to i7 due to the huge cost difference, replacing my old board with a P45 and a Q6600 allows me to use my existing 8GB DDR2 modules.

Best bang for buck = C2D/PII quad DDR2 platform, IMO both 45nm quads are still overpriced, hopefully drop sub £200 later this year.

Sheer raw processing power = i7


There is little point in buying the slower speed DDR3 ram modules IMO (barely faster than DDR2) which is of course the cheapest ram option for i7, 6-8GB of fast DDR3 modules cost an arm and a leg.
 

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The i7 platform is too pricey for most, 6GB of DDR3 performance ram costs a fortune, then there is the overpriced i7 boards.

I opted to stay with the current 775 platform instead of upgrading to i7 due to the huge cost difference, replacing my old board with a P45 and a Q6600 allows me to use my existing 8GB DDR2 modules.

Best bang for buck = C2D/PII quad DDR2 platform, IMO both 45nm quads are still overpriced, hopefully drop sub £200 later this year.

Sheer raw processing power = i7


There is little point in buying the slower speed DDR3 ram modules IMO (barely faster than DDR2) which is of course the cheapest ram option for i7, 6-8GB of fast DDR3 modules cost an arm and a leg.
Completely agree here. Perfect summary to end all fanboy arguments. :laugh:
 

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Made on an i7 with 3gb of ram and GTX280, there are over 15 million polygons just because I felt like taking the divider out that far. It's fast as hell.
 
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Completely agree here. Perfect summary to end all fanboy arguments. :laugh:
Exactly, if you had an old out-dated machine that couldn't game anymore and you were looking to do a new build from scratch with a budget of $1,000 you would be FAR more likely to go PII over i7. PII you would have a considerable amount of money left over after buying a CPU and mobo.
 

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The i7 platform is too pricey for most, 6GB of DDR3 performance ram costs a fortune, then there is the overpriced i7 boards.

I opted to stay with the current 775 platform instead of upgrading to i7 due to the huge cost difference, replacing my old board with a P45 and a Q6600 allows me to use my existing 8GB DDR2 modules.

Best bang for buck = C2D/PII quad DDR2 platform, IMO both 45nm quads are still overpriced, hopefully drop sub £200 later this year.

Sheer raw processing power = i7


There is little point in buying the slower speed DDR3 ram modules IMO (barely faster than DDR2) which is of course the cheapest ram option for i7, 6-8GB of fast DDR3 modules cost an arm and a leg.
I agree with this. I dont hate AMD, built my first system around the AMD Athlon 64 3200+ and i still have that system today. I am just telling you guys what i am seeing from AMD currently.

Great Price/Performance:phenom II

Insane budget/Great performance: Core i7
 

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Fixed.

A system that cost under 1k for cpu+mobo+ram = not insane. :eek:
When compared to Phenom II it is. You need a really strong budget to get some of the best parts for Core i7, for the RAM it self is up in the $100-$200's.

I do i agree that since its not over $1000 alot of the time(with only CPU/RAM/mobo) that it's a pretty good upgrade path if you have the rest of the parts.

If you want the best of the best from scratch it will cost well over $1000.
 
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Round 7: Gaming performance Phenom vs i7
 

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Round 7: Gaming performance Phenom vs i7

They are both decent for gaming, but games still have yet to go fully multi-threaded, any Core 2 or Phenom should handle games nicely. Core i7 has 8 threads due to the HT, but no game is going to use them all(maybe Crysis), and Phenom II is about equal to the C2Q's so it should do well in gaming paired with a good GPU. When games get more multi-threaded then we will see a difference but as of now they are pretty much on par in terms of gaming when the more threaded games come out Core i7 may take the lead and the AM3 Phenom II's may not be far behind. But as of now, for gaming the Core 2's, Core i7 and Phenom II would all game about the same. So it depends, Core i7 is more future proof for gaming, but the AM3 CPU's may be really good and take the lead in gaming. Core 2 is a great platform and has proven itself in gaming but the architecture is fairly old so for future games i would say Core i7, but keep an eye out for the AM3 Phenom II's, they might have what it takes to be a great gaming CPU while being cheaper then the i7.
 
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Round 8: what do you think about the absence of the northbridge in core i7
 

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From what I am seeing there is little That AMD has brought to the table once again 2 steps behind Intel .
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom-ii-x4_7.html#sect0
From this even a Q9400 is giving them a run for the money .
If you want to get some thing in the middle then go with the Q9400 and OC the hell out of it LOL it would be a guarantied winner ! :D
 
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Pretty sure a 940 would be a lot easier to OC
 

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Pretty sure a 940 would be a lot easier to OC
What do you mean ? I know Intel is easy to OC and the proof is all over out there . What kind of clocks are the PII's getting ? I mean for all this talk about how easy it is to OC the NEW PII's were are they ? I see i7's at 5.5GHz and Q9550 at 4.0GHz and on and on , Not sure how easy the PII is going to be to OC as well I am not getting one and then there is the lack of them showing up . as far as I can tell they are as good as the Q9400 and not as good as a Q9550 . for get about putting them up against the i7 that is a wash out !
 
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The Phenom II 940 is unlocked :)
 

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The Phenom II 940 is unlocked :)
So they had to give you some incentive to buy them :slap:
When a Q9400 beats them they had to give you some kind of bone .
 

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From what I am seeing there is little That AMD has brought to the table once again 2 steps behind Intel .
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom-ii-x4_7.html#sect0
From this even a Q9400 is giving them a run for the money .
If you want to get some thing in the middle then go with the Q9400 and OC the hell out of it LOL it would be a guarantied winner ! :D
Although I don't disagree with your statement

But you have to remember that is just one set of gaming benchmark collected from one website (xbitlabs) so using one website as a decision maker isn't objective. Gaming and quad core shouldn't even be said in the same sentence.

Edit:

You could of easily of posted this link, but you didnt

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-phenom-ii-x4_8.html


Edit 2:

Yeah well you can also look through the many other benchmarks X-bit labs did not just the gaming ones . Now I trust X-bit labs and well I am sure I can put up more than just one link is this what you want ? just seems a bit of a waste of my time is all .
Q9400 FTW :rockout::rockout:
I trust Xbitlabs, dont get me wrong, I think they are well respected. My point is gaming isn't a multi-threaded application so using that particular link as a basis of an argument isn't valid.

I've seen benchmarks of the Q9400 beating the i7 920 in gaming on other wbsites, does it mean the Q-series are better than the i7. NO!

Edit 3:



I would take this link more seriously than the gaming one previously sent, bear in mind this is one set of benchmarks from one website. You will have to read every page (from various sources) and analyse the information as a whole outweighing the advantages/disadvantages/cost/relative performance/availability of components etc.
 
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Heres a comparison at [H] http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Even tho the conclusion is pretty disappointing for Phenom:

''The Phenom II performance speaks for itself. It loses to its old nemesis, the Core 2, which I think some folks will be surprised by. The Phenom II loses to the Core i7, which I think was to be expected. The Phenom II is a loser.

Does that mean it is without value? Absolutely not. But I think those that will find value in it will be few and far between and even fewer of those folks will be computer hardware enthusiasts.

If you are a gamer or a content creation professional, my suggestion to you is to save your pennies and get the Intel Core i7. Even if you have to wait an extra few months to save up for good DDR3. The Phenom II just does not have long legs, and I don’t think I will want to pay for DDR3 to dress one up next month either.''
yea this is very bias'd....an they don't even stick to the same mobo all the way through. not to mention they couldn't do something simple like get there 1111 ram to run @1066 on the phenom. hell i'm doing that with a 2x2GB kit and athlon 64.

this review is crap you get some numbers and an i7 ad thats about it...they could have made it fair buy using mobo's in the same price range. Asus crosshair II formula for AMD, EVGA 780i FTW for C2Q and whatever they wanted for the i7 cause it wasn't going to be fair anyway lol. but they used a midrange 790GX board and then a midrange MSI K9N2 mobo and still managed 3.8ghz out of it BTW.


I've proven in another thread that you can get a i7 for the cost of a high end P II rig. "Cheapest" but not a bad build of a motherboard starts a $206
and a cheap but not bad mobo for P2 starts @$79.99 so how is i7 cheaper again?
 
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Although I don't disagree with your statement

But you have to remember that is just one set of gaming benchmark collected from one website (xbitlabs) so using one website as a decision maker isn't objective. Gaming and quad core shouldn't even be said in the same sentence.
Yeah well you can also look through the many other benchmarks X-bit labs did not just the gaming ones . Now I trust X-bit labs and well I am sure I can put up more than just one link is this what you want ? just seems a bit of a waste of my time is all .
Q9400 FTW :rockout::rockout:
 

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Well not much of a price difference to me and you get so much more with the Intel setup so really in this example you get what you pay for and with Intel being what 210 bucks more you get tons more performance .
Hell even my Q6600 will give the PII a run for it's money LOL !