Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 2x 16 GB

ir_cow · Nov 15, 2021

DDR5 has finally reached the hands of the consumer, and Corsair has prepared their Vengeance lineup! With an XMP profile of 5200 MT/s, let's see how it performs alongside Intel's flagship Alder Lake i9-12900K. We will also figure out which ICs are under that heatspreader and how far this kit can be overclocked.

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MarsM4N · Nov 16, 2021

Are the DDR5-6400 benchmark results from the Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 kit (overclocked) or from a different kit?

Also interesting to see the FPS increase in BF5 between from DDR5. :twitch:

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

Its from the Teamgroup 6000 kit. The Vengence OC stopped at 5600 and only AIDA64 benchmark is provided in the OC section.

More or less you can conclude the same as the generic 5600 in the benchmarks as if you manged to OC the Corsair memory and it was stable. It needed CL40 to run. Where as the 5600 in the benchmark is CL36

firewrath9 · Nov 16, 2021

Have you tried 1T command rate with Gear 2 IMC?

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

firewrath9 said:
Have you tried 1T command rate with Gear 2 IMC?

I want to say yes when I was working on a motherboard review. It didnt post, but I wasn't digging deep into it so I don't have a good idea of the settings applied.

I'll try again tonight and let you know my results.

wheresmycar · Nov 16, 2021

sorry im not the most tech savvie.... any meaningful gains in gaming performance with DDR5? (to be more specific, i play at 1440p)

watzupken · Nov 16, 2021

Apart from price, I think the poor availability is also a problem. And this is probably one of the reasons why Alder Lake is not flying off the shelves given the performance it offers.

wheresmycar said:
sorry im not the most tech savvie.... any meaningful gains in gaming performance with DDR5? (to be more specific, i play at 1440p)

Some games may see meaningful gains. One of the titles which I vaguely recall was Watch Dog Legions. Then again, it depends on what is your definition of meaningful. Some people are happy as long as it is 60 FPS. So even with a bump in performance, you may not appreciate the increase in FPS above 60 FPS.

EmrickX51 · Nov 16, 2021

Got the same product, spent some time to tune

Mistral · Nov 16, 2021

Looking at that PCB... couldn't that memory stick be made a lot more compact? Could easily see them cut a cm or so at the top.

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

EmrickX51 said:
Got the same product, spent some time to tune

What's the voltage for CL38 @ 5400?

W1zzard · Nov 16, 2021

wheresmycar said:
sorry im not the most tech savvie.... any meaningful gains in gaming performance with DDR5? (to be more specific, i play at 1440p)

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CandymanGR · Nov 16, 2021

Some benchmarks in applications with heavy duty ram usage would have been nice. PC's are not used only as gaming machines.

ModEl4 · Nov 16, 2021

regarding gaming, a smarter buy would be a DDR4 m/b + G.Skill RipJaws V kit 32GB DDR4-4400 CL19-26-26-46 F4-4400C19D-32GVK at 150€ and the 50€+150€=200€ difference use it to buy a better graphics card...

EmrickX51 · Nov 16, 2021

ir_cow said:
What's the voltage for CL38 @ 5400?

VDD 1.35 VDDQ 1.35

asdkj1740 · Nov 16, 2021

please try tm5 absolute config at 5200xmp.
want to know how the spd hub temperature reported in hwinfo64.
this corsair kit looks nice, it has thermal pads contacting the spd & pmic area. some does not and results in near 70c...

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

asdkj1740 said:
please try tm5 absolute config at 5200xmp.
want to know how the spd hub temperature reported in hwinfo64.
this corsair kit looks nice, it has thermal pads contacting the spd & pmic area. some does not and results in near 70c...

None of the config files are labeled absolute. Find me the file or pick a different one.

asdkj1740 · Nov 16, 2021

ir_cow said:
None of the config files are labeled absolute. Find me the file or pick a different one.

Official Intel DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread

www.overclock.net

W1zzard · Nov 16, 2021

CandymanGR said:
Some benchmarks in applications with heavy duty ram usage would have been nice. PC's are not used only as gaming machines.

any suggestions?

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

@asdkj1740 Funny you link that exact one. I downloaded it earlier but it was the same .rar folder. This time its just the config file. Strange.

firewrath9 said:
Have you tried 1T command rate with Gear 2 IMC?

I tried on two different motherboards and two CPUs. I cannot get DDR5 to post with Gear 2 - 1T. I went all the way down to 3200 MT/s. I'm sure someone will figure out the formula for this. But it isn't plug and play for 1T

asdkj1740 said:
please try tm5 absolute config at 5200xmp.
want to know how the spd hub temperature reported in hwinfo64.
this corsair kit looks nice, it has thermal pads contacting the spd & pmic area. some does not and results in near 70c...

Here you go! No active cooling. Its a test bench. Unless I put a fan on it, no airflow exist.

Wirko · Nov 16, 2021

ir_cow said:
I tried on two different motherboards and two CPUs. I cannot get DDR5 to post with Gear 2 - 1T. I went all the way down to 3200 MT/s. I'm sure someone will figure out the formula for this. But it isn't plug and play for 1T

Is 1T the same amount of time regardless of the gear chosen, and regardless of DDR generation, if the transfer rate is the same? For example, 0.5 nanoseconds for 4000 MT/s?

EmrickX51 · Nov 16, 2021

Micron A now can’t do 2T
Sk H and Samsung is able to do 1T

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

EmrickX51 said:
Micron A now can’t do 2T
Sk H and Samsung is able to do 1T

This TeamGroup memory I have is Hynix. It does not boot with 1T either.

Edit: I take it back. I raised the SA to 1.25v and Memory Controller to 1.25. It boots now at 3200 MT/s. It isn't happy. Lots of reboots. So it seems more voltage is needed on the IMC. How much is the question.

ZenZimZaliben · Nov 16, 2021

That Latency holy cow. CAS 38! Yet the CAS 18 performs slightly slower in most benchmarks yet latency is a full 20ns difference. Wow

EmrickX51 · Nov 16, 2021

ir_cow said:
This TeamGroup memory I have is Hynix. It does not boot with 1T either.

Edit: I take it back. I raised the SA to 1.25v and Memory Controller to 1.25. It boots now at 3200 MT/s. It isn't happy. Lots of reboots. So it seems more voltage is needed on the IMC. How much is the question.

SK Hynix and Samsung are able to run 1T on 2x SR so far, at least 5800 tested on both

According to some feedback and data, for ICs on market recently, SK Hynix needs >1.3 VDD hold higher clock but could be about 0.05v lower on VDDQ, such like VDD 1.30 VDDQ 1.25 MC 1.25 SA 1.25 for 5600 stock XMP on 1T, not stable then rise 0.05v on VDD VDDQ and MC

ir_cow · Nov 16, 2021

XMP for the Teampgroup 6000 is VDD 1.35 and VDDQ 1.35. I'm already above what you listed. Just tried all the way up to VCCSA 1.35 and IMC of 1.4. It posts but is unstable. Considering I only need 1.25v for 6400 MT/s. This is excessive amount of voltage just for 1T at 5200.

What motherboard are you using @EmrickX51 ?

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