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Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5-6000 CL36 2x 16 GB

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Corsair Vengeance RGB brings a competitive DDR5 kit, with an XMP 6000 MT/s profile and modest timings of 36-36-36-76. Designed to fit right into the Corsair ecosystem, it is time to take a closer look and see what all the fuss is about!

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I see for gaming fps wise I'm doing OK with my Corsair Dominator Platinum's 6000MHz 36-36-36-76 (SK Hynix) @ 1.35V
 

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I see for gaming fps wise I'm doing OK with my Corsair Dominator Platinum's 6000MHz 36-36-36-76 (SK Hynix) @ 1.35V
Do you have RGB control issues with the Gigabyte Master? I haven't tried that one myself, but the GB Tachyon requires a BIOS intervention.
 
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Do you have RGB control issues with the Gigabyte Master? I haven't tried that one myself, but the GB Tachyon requires a BIOS intervention.
Well I couldn't control it with the Gigabyte RGB app, installed icue once to try, that worked, but uninstalled it short after that and now just seeing the rainbow effect which I also see on my MSI GPU without the MSI software installed... Oh and there are 2 places on the motherboard changing colors (not much noticeable imo) , :ohwell: It's fine by me as is now.:)
 
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Yeah its not going to show up in GB Fusion, but that's nice its detected by iCUE. Its so random which motherboards have this SPD Write disabled or enabled.
 
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No one should bother with these... the next gen ICs are ready and already available in no name kits, and they reach close to 8000mhz.

Don't buy these because it can't do 8000+ isn't a very good argument. First, it doesn't change the fact that no 4-DIMM slot Z690 MB can run 6933+ stable (or even boot). What about all the folks who just want 6000 MT/s memory?

If you read the igor article you would have seen this in the memory overclocking section.
Unfortunately, higher clock rates or higher voltages only lead to instability with my kit, even with the PMIC unlock of the MSI BIOS. The timings are not revolutionary compared to M-Die and are even a bit more conservative in places, but the clock rate can be increased significantly again and at a relatively low voltage. Incidentally, a 120 mm fan takes care of the cooling, which takes over the job of the non-existent heat spreader.
The take away is A-Die has higher freq with less voltage (This is good), but the timings aren't better. In fact, probably worse at the same frequency. Though this can't be directly compared as M-Die can't do 8000 without LN2. But for this sake, we can say 6000 M-Die vs 6000 A-Die. The article suggests M-Die would have better lower overall timings.

Last thing to note is the DDR5-8000 overclock was with a SINGLE DIMM on a Z690 Kingpin. DDR5-7455 was the highest two DIMMS could go in that article AND it was also on a 2-DIMM motherboard.
 
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Don't buy these because it can't do 8000+ isn't a very good argument. First, it doesn't change the fact that no 4-DIMM slot Z690 MB can run 6933+ stable (or even boot). What about all the folks who just want 6000 MT/s memory?

If you read the igor article you would have seen this in the memory overclocking section.

The take away is A-Die has higher freq with less voltage (This is good), but the timings aren't better. In fact, probably worse at the same frequency. Though this can't be directly compared as M-Die can't do 8000 without LN2. But for this sake, we can say 6000 M-Die vs 6000 A-Die. The article suggests M-Die would have better lower overall timings.

Last thing to note is the DDR5-8000 overclock was with a SINGLE DIMM on a Z690 Kingpin. DDR5-7455 was the highest two DIMMS could go in that article AND it was also on a 2-DIMM motherboard.
Looks like DDR4 issues all over again. At least the transfer rates are high but maybe we should wait until latency is solved (as it always is) to get a proper kit of DDR5.
 

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Looks like DDR4 issues all over again. At least the transfer rates are high but maybe we should wait until latency is solved (as it always is) to get a proper kit of DDR5.
Yep. A-Die might be the new speed king, but just like DDR4, you don't want to break the Gear Ratio. That's going to be around DDR5-8000 for Alder Lake without EXTREME voltages on the IMC. In the coming years, my guess is 8000 MT/s with CL30 will be the best DDR5 will ever see. Give it another year :)
 
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iCUE ruining these sticks.. Wish some pretty decent kits like these actually got some more premium features than badly working RGB and one single XMP profile..
 
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No one should bother with these... the next gen ICs are ready and already available in no name kits, and they reach close to 8000mhz.
While that is somewhat true, DDR5 clock scaling is so poor on Alder Lake CPUs that it doesn't really matter.
 
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Don't buy these because it can't do 8000+ isn't a very good argument. First, it doesn't change the fact that no 4-DIMM slot Z690 MB can run 6933+ stable (or even boot). What about all the folks who just want 6000 MT/s memory?

If you read the igor article you would have seen this in the memory overclocking section.

The take away is A-Die has higher freq with less voltage (This is good), but the timings aren't better. In fact, probably worse at the same frequency. Though this can't be directly compared as M-Die can't do 8000 without LN2. But for this sake, we can say 6000 M-Die vs 6000 A-Die. The article suggests M-Die would have better lower overall timings.

Last thing to note is the DDR5-8000 overclock was with a SINGLE DIMM on a Z690 Kingpin. DDR5-7455 was the highest two DIMMS could go in that article AND it was also on a 2-DIMM motherboard.
Of course I have read igor's article - why else would have I linked it here? Think about that...

If you re-read my comment, I mention "and they reach close to 8000mhz" - I didn't say 8000 exactly. 7455 is a hell of a lot better than the 6000 this corsair kit able to achieve at its best. The frequency more than makes up for slightly worse timings, the test results in igor's test speak for themselves. Igor even mentions that the speeds he reached are 'modest' when compared to what other testers got with these kits.


And if anyone need more reasons to skip the corsair kit, just look at its exorbitant price. Or the fact that corsair switches ic's in their kits ALL the time, what this review has might be completely different even a month from now. But hey feel free to buy this corsair kit, it's your money.

Anyways that just my opinion.
 
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the test results in igor's test speak for themselves
Question is - do they? Except for useless AIDA/Geekbench memory benchmarks and PyPrime, in other synthetics overclocked Hynix A-die is 2% faster than overclocked Samsung B-die and in gaming tests (1080p) it's quicker by 0-1%. That indeed is an extraordinary advantage! :D
 

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Don't buy these because it can't do 8000+ isn't a very good argument. First, it doesn't change the fact that no 4-DIMM slot Z690 MB can run 6933+ stable (or even boot). What about all the folks who just want 6000 MT/s memory?
Also AMD AM5 platform should be go-to in 2 days anyway.

I already read something about it:
Higher frequency DIMMs are supported but as soon as you go above the DDR5-6000 limit, you will drop down to a 1:2 IFC. We are told that DDR5-6400 running at 1:2 will produce poor results and is not recommended if you are looking for better gaming performance.
There's a couple of strange statements here to me. 1:2 IFC all the way up to 3000 MHz IF, that is pure wrong.
Because here it says it is 1733 by default and it goes up to 2000, rare ones more than 2000:
I also take it from what was written that AUTO FCLK has a fixed value of 1733. Or maybe you can even set it manually.

Then only above 7000 it is worth setting FCLK:UCLK:MCLK to 2:1:1. At DDR5-7200 FCLK would be 1800 MHz.

But what I didn't account before reading your post, AMD will probably also have some DDR speed limit, like you say it is 6933 for Z690.
What if X670 only goes up to 6400 or so. Then really no point in buying Hynix RAM. They are more expensive than now easily obtainable Samsung 6000 36-36-36 (260€).

What about UCLK (memory controller) limit? But that shouldn't be a problem, at least on X570 you could set UCLK = MCLK/2.
There will probably be some good AM5 OC guides out there anyway.

Then another strange thing I read here, P4-630 says his 6000MHz 36-36-36-76 are SK Hynix. Does Hynix really make 36-36-36? Because G.Skill Hynix are 30-38-38 and 30-40-40 and 32-38-38.
 

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Then another strange thing I read here, P4-630 says his 6000MHz 36-36-36-76 are SK Hynix. Does Hynix really make 36-36-36? Because G.Skill Hynix are 30-38-38 and 30-40-40 and 32-38-38.
@GrimReaper85 Yes. I have a SK-Hynix 6000 CL36-36-36 in my hands. They do exist.
 

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G.Skill probably uses Samsung for them or there is no rule? Is it possible to check which ICs it uses?
 
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Then another strange thing I read here, P4-630 says his 6000MHz 36-36-36-76 are SK Hynix. Does Hynix really make 36-36-36? Because G.Skill Hynix are 30-38-38 and 30-40-40 and 32-38-38.

My set is CL 36-38-38-76 originally (SK Hynix), I selected to run a Samsung memory profile in the BIOS which is 36-36-36-76. :)
 
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