Could you guys add a mining performance/efficiency section to all Gfx card reviews?

[ThaiTaffy]

This is not a pro/cons of mining thread.

I vote to close this. It's going nowhere and just attracting the pitchfork mob.

Totally agree.

I'd also like to point out that many well respected long term forum members and supporters are miners and haven't felt the need to make a similar request. so why would TPU need to increase their workload for anyone else but them.

 

[bogmali]

We will leave this open until @W1zzard says otherwise. OP is merely suggesting and all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response. Attacking the OP because you're just full of crypto hate will not do you any good.

 

[kapone32]

I know this place started as a tech/gaming forum but the evil that crypto has caused to the gaming community outweighs the benefit it may have ever had for me, and the fact that Canada shut down bank accounts of people using Crypto, revoked their insurance, license to drive and used other slimy tactics to get their way shows how little crypto means.

Crypto needs to die

The Government of Canada is more focused on the Housing crisis. They do tax the interest made on Crypto and if you put your Mining earnings in the bank you will have to pay interest. Unless you have everything in a TFSA.

I will also say that for many people that paid up to 3 times what they paid for the last GPU they bought. Mining while you are working seems pretty moot to recover some of that cost. What some people forget is every 3000 from 3070 to 3090 and every 6700-6900 AMD card was faster than the 2080TI. They were also 1/2 the price at MSRP. That was a very compelling reason for many a Gamer that had rediscovered Gaming as a result of the pandemic had created..

Where the community should be getting pitchforks is the fact that Nvidia sold so many cards directly to individuals and corporations that it was rare to see an Nvidia card in a retail setting for all of 2021.

Whether you want to get on the bus now or later is up to you. If you don't decide to get on the bus and walk that is also your choice. Don't hate the passengers for the Transport Authority's decisions though.

It would be great if you guys could add this section. It would help miners choose the lowest wattage cards that still have a good megahash output. It would also give readers more reason to check out tpowerup for gfx card reviews because I haven't seen other computer component review sites that include a mining performance/efficiency section.

If you guys do create a mining section for your reviews it should include...

-Power consumption
-Temps when mining (including the memory junction temps).
-Hash rate for the top 3 or 5 crypto-coins.
-Settings for the gfx card that will give the lowest wattage consumption.
-Overclock settings for the card that give extra megahash.

Currently I have to go to a lot of different sources of crypto-hardware news to obtain the above info but it would be better if I could get it all in one place at tpowerup.

All of what you are looking for is readily available with a simple Google search

 

[MarsM4N]

Sounds good. You "guys" could also add a extra mining bios section with some "special" TPU mining bios'es, that turn miner GPU's into bricks, on the 24th Dec 2022.

Let's say, a little christmas surprise.

 

[Steevo]

Maybe Canadian-run news is full of shit then. Cause they froze crypto accounts by order of a judge according to this Canadian news site, not Fox News, not CNN.

 

[R-T-B]

Maybe Canadian-run news is full of shit then. Cause they froze crypto accounts by order of a judge according to this Canadian news site, not Fox News, not CNN.

It is. You simply can't freeze a crypto account, the protocol does not allow for it. They certainly are talking about linked fiat banking accounts... or centralized exchange accounts, which are also really banks in nature anyways.

Basically an angry mob thought crypto was the answer without doing a lick of research into it, and is now angry that they got burned for using it wrong.

Again, this has nothing to do with the subject.

 

[R0H1T]

I WILL GO AGAINST THE POPULAR OPINION IN HERE, SO WHY NOT

 

[95Viper]

This is the "Comments and Feedback" forum for the TPU forum.
The thread is titled "Could you guys add a mining performance/efficiency section to all Gfx card reviews?".
It is not a discussion of mining pros and cons; or about the OP.

To quote @bogmali , "all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response."... if you wish to post in this thread... take the merits of mining to PMs or start a thread on the subject, in the proper section of the forums.

 

[BSim500]

To quote @bogmali , "all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response."... if you wish to post in this thread... take the merits of mining to PMs or start a thread on the subject, in the proper section of the forums.

I vote no then. Plenty of other sites that specialise in that stuff for those that want it. The responses here set the obvious stage for pretty much every article that starts to include 'that thing' whose regular bubbles screw up PC gaming availability every few years stuffed into PC gaming reviews is going to end up with significantly more negative commentary on an ongoing basis than now for obvious reasons and has about as much self-awareness as creating a page called "How to scalp properly, don't be haters!" on future GPU reviews...

Speaking as someone who's lost a lot of interest in AAA's, I'd rather see TPU continue to offer a wide mix of games beyond the same 6-12 worn out over-sequelled EA / Ubi / Squeenix franchises (Tom Clancy's Call of Far Hitman Raider Creed), that many other sites cling to over & over, and already appreciate the inclusion of games like Divinity Original Sin 2 in benchmarks. Or if the reviewer has that much spare time, maybe include Ultrawide resolutions for which there are just as many users (2.26%) as 4k gamers (2.39%) at time of writing.

 

[agent_x007]

I'm for it, if we are simply comparing a "fixed" lower max. vGPU voltage (like 0,7V or 0,8V) along with a clock degradation for stability sake (of up to 10-20% for example) vs. stock "out of the box" performance in usual tests.
In short : Performance uplift of stock vs. a bit slower but more balanced power/TDP target, and how much power that uplift takes.
You can even call it "TPU's recommended V/F point setting", for X model of a card (with "*" for die quality variance).

There is no point in testing mining performance, because mining isn't what TPU should be testing (at least to me).
Other websites can do it better, and TPU does a lot of tests already so if we are adding more stuff for TPU to test, it should at least be beneficial to all users and not only those that mine what-ever on GPUs.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm for it, if we are simply comparing a "fixed" lower max. vGPU voltage (like 0,7V or 0,8V) along with a clock degradation for stability sake (of up to 10-20% for example) vs. stock "out of the box" performance in usual tests.
In short : Performance uplift of stock vs. a bit slower but more balanced power/TDP target, and how much power that uplift takes.

There is no point in testing mining performance, because mining isn't what TPU should be testing (at least to me).
Other websites can do it better, and TPU does a lot of tests already so if we are adding more stuff for TPU to test, it should at least be beneficial to all users and not only those that mine what-ever on GPUs.

While I don't see much point in the mining testing, there is a point to be made about undervolting, given that it's become so integral to maximizing performance+efficiency on modern GPUs from both camps.

I don't see it being practical or feasible properly, fully testing and incorporating undervolting into every GPU review. But I reckon it would be nice to have a special article for an entire GPU family (ie. Ampere), that selects a couple of representative reference GPUs that depict the main GPU dies (e.g. 3060, 3070, 3080), and goes more into depth about how they scale. Akin to the PCIe scaling articles, for example. Then people can make their own extrapolations for AIB cards based on observed binning and power limit differences.

Obviously, silicon quality means the testing should only be taken as a very rough reference. For example, stock might be 1900@1.05V - then maybe an optimized profile that sacrifices no performance at say 1900@0.87V, an OC profile for more freq at stock Vcore 2100@1.05V, and a profile representing the max undervolt before performance drops like a stone like 1800@0.7V. Just an idea.

 

[ThrashZone]

This is the "Comments and Feedback" forum for the TPU forum.
The thread is titled "Could you guys add a mining performance/efficiency section to all Gfx card reviews?".
It is not a discussion of mining pros and cons; or about the OP.

To quote @bogmali , "all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response."... if you wish to post in this thread... take the merits of mining to PMs or start a thread on the subject, in the proper section of the forums.

Hi,
Seems a poll should be added.

Might be less dramatic.

 

[qubit]

Ah, no, I wouldn't want to see this on TPU.

Mining has caused the whole graphics card price inflation and availability problem in the first place, so shouldn't be encouraged. This sort of info is available elsewhere anyway.

Please don't write in all bold though as it's hard to read and is a form of shouting.

We will leave this open until @W1zzard says otherwise. OP is merely suggesting and all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response. Attacking the OP because you're just full of crypto hate will not do you any good.

This is the "Comments and Feedback" forum for the TPU forum.
The thread is titled "Could you guys add a mining performance/efficiency section to all Gfx card reviews?".
It is not a discussion of mining pros and cons; or about the OP.

To quote @bogmali , "all you have to do is say yes or no and "at least" justify your response."... if you wish to post in this thread... take the merits of mining to PMs or start a thread on the subject, in the proper section of the forums.

+1 gentlemen. People should be allowed to make suggestions without being attacked for it.

 

[eidairaman1]

While I don't see much point in the mining testing, there is a point to be made about undervolting, given that it's become so integral to maximizing performance+efficiency on modern GPUs from both camps.

I don't see it being practical or feasible properly, fully testing and incorporating undervolting into every GPU review. But I reckon it would be nice to have a special article for an entire GPU family (ie. Ampere), that selects a couple of representative reference GPUs that depict the main GPU dies (e.g. 3060, 3070, 3080), and goes more into depth about how they scale. Akin to the PCIe scaling articles, for example. Then people can make their own extrapolations for AIB cards based on observed binning and power limit differences.

Obviously, silicon quality means the testing should only be taken as a very rough reference. For example, stock might be 1900@1.05V - then maybe an optimized profile that sacrifices no performance at say 1900@0.87V, an OC profile for more freq at stock Vcore 2100@1.05V, and a profile representing the max undervolt before performance drops like a stone like 1800@0.7V. Just an idea.

Yup 1 6900XT may go lower than another within the same line eg Taichi vs Taichi, low volts are like max/lowest clocks any logic gate can go.

 

[Chrispy_]

It would be great if you guys could add this section. It would help miners choose the lowest wattage cards that still have a good megahash output. It would also give readers more reason to check out tpowerup for gfx card reviews because I haven't seen other computer component review sites that include a mining performance/efficiency section.

If you guys do create a mining section for your reviews it should include...

-Power consumption
-Temps when mining (including the memory junction temps).
-Hash rate for the top 3 or 5 crypto-coins.
-Settings for the gfx card that will give the lowest wattage consumption.
-Overclock settings for the card that give extra megahash.

Currently I have to go to a lot of different sources of crypto-hardware news to obtain the above info but it would be better if I could get it all in one place at tpowerup.

Mining involves modifying the BIOSes if you want to get the numbers that miners actually use, and which algorithm is best to mine with (relevant for Nvidia because of LHR) varies constantly.

Additionally, the data you want is already available for all cards in numerous locations and isn't really the focus of TPUs testing. What you're asking is for a reviewer who primarily tests gaming cards for gaming performance to massively increase his review workload just to confirm hashrate numbers that are always widely available all over the web within minutes of the first miners getting their hands on a sample of the card.

I'm a miner, and I have multiple multi-GPU rigs but I've never once had any difficulty finding the hashrates and power consumptions of cards. Whattomine.com is as good a resource as any, but it's far from the only one that already specialises in EXACTLY what you're asking from Techpowerup. There are miners here in the forums but honestly, this site is not a good source of info or a good community for miners - you're looking in the wrong place for the wrong thing if that's what you're here for.

 

[Space Lynx]

I vote no. TPU should only be for pure Science, Gaming, Technology (not crypto related), and PC stuff for creators/builders/gamers/overclockers. I feel like miners have plenty of other resources.

Also, @W1zzard is going to be addicted to gaming when they make a 30" 2560x1600 high refresh OLED panel someday... the poor lad won't even have time for reviews when that day comes... wait and see...

 

[chrcoluk]

My feedback is no for two reasons.

Mining contributes to GPU shortage, second reason it contributes to energy crisis. So for me, making the forum a place to make it easier for people to learn how to mine is something I wouldnt like. Thats probably the politest way I can say it.