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The seller could get over 1000 usd just for the gpu alone right now offering less than 800 would be kinda silly.


I agree in a normal market that pc would be worth sub 800 but in today's market it's closer to double that.
 

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The seller could get over 1000 usd just for the gpu alone right now offering less than 800 would be kinda silly.


I agree in a normal market that pc would be worth sub 800 but in today's market it's closer to double that.
So sell the gpu by itself, as a complete system its not worth much.
 
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So sell the gpu by itself, as a complete system its not worth much.

That would be the smart thing for the seller to do definitely as the parts he has are currently worth more than the pc as a whole.
 
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I haven't seen anything lower than 100fps with a 5950X/3080 ti but it's really hard to get above 130fps. I have really low latency 3800 CL14 memory though. I haven't tried it on my 5800X system yet but my guess is they'd be similar considering I'm almost never gpu limited. From what I'm seeing you either want ryzen 5000 or intel 12th gen for this game. Preferably 12th gen if building right now.

This guy did a comparison of his very tuned 5950X / 12900K / 10900K. Keeping in mind all 3 rigs are highly tuned and OC'd for best performance - we're talking 10900K all core 5.4Ghz with 5Ghz ring and tuned DDR4-4400 C 14 with subtimings tuned kind of setup (and similar work done on the other 2 to make them as fast as he could, although the AL rig is still being tweaked as he learns more). Anyway at 1440P, they were basically identical, running around 140-175FPS. The 5950X is blotted out in the video because he managed to find a DRM bug with the 6900XT (his 5950X has a 6900XT and the other two rigs have the 3090, something about some AMD only feature he wanted to see if it made a difference).

 
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This guy did a comparison of his very tuned 5950X / 12900K / 10900K. Keeping in mind all 3 rigs are highly tuned and OC'd for best performance - we're talking 10900K all core 5.4Ghz with 5Ghz ring and tuned DDR4-4400 C 14 with subtimings tuned kind of setup (and similar work done on the other 2 to make them as fast as he could, although the AL rig is still being tweaked as he learns more). Anyway at 1440P, they were basically identical, running around 140-175FPS. The 5950X is blotted out in the video because he managed to find a DRM bug with the 6900XT (his 5950X has a 6900XT and the other two rigs have the 3090, something about some AMD only feature he wanted to see if it made a difference).


The 3090/3080 ti seem the perform about 10% better than the 6900XT even when both are cpu limited from what I've seen in other benchmarks although from what I've seen personally unless doing like 20-30 runs min on each platform the game is way too variable to accurately benchmark. Some matches I'm over 150fps others closer to 100fps 1440p/ultra... He seems a little on eccentric side lol but one thing I agree with in it's current state BF2042 isn't worth upgrading a whole pc for especially if all other games are working just fine on the given system.
 
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I'd say in the current market, there is no low price to be had.

You can easily make 1200 on this rig and that would still be an awesome deal. It will play anything, let's face it.

Hell, for 1200 I'll insta buy it off you.

The seller could get over 1000 usd just for the gpu alone right now offering less than 800 would be kinda silly.


I agree in a normal market that pc would be worth sub 800 but in today's market it's closer to double that.

Yep. If you'd want to max it out, 1600 would definitely be a good target. And easily made, but as a buyer that would not be 'cheap' anymore. Just priced according to market and spec and some age.
The rig really hasn't got much age to speak of, but its out of warranty.


As for general age on second hand GPUs... anything that is around 3-4 years of age has sufficient life in it to price it pretty close to whatever a new GPU of similar perf should cost. As in, -20% ~-40% depending on market conditions. In todays market you can even upsell at that age. At about 5-7 years depending on how well its taken care (heat, regular use, not cleaning because you really don't have to except blow out the dust) it will start to exhibit possible issues. That's my experience at least, and by that time, its probably obsolete.
 
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I'd say in the current market, there is no low price to be had.

You can easily make 1200 on this rig and that would still be an awesome deal. It will play anything, let's face it.

Hell, for 1200 I'll insta buy it off you.



Yep. If you'd want to max it out, 1600 would definitely be a good target. And easily made, but as a buyer that would not be 'cheap' anymore. Just priced according to market and spec and some age.
The rig really hasn't got much age to speak of, but its out of warranty.


As for general age on second hand GPUs... anything that is around 3-4 years of age has sufficient life in it to price it pretty close to whatever a new GPU of similar perf should cost. As in, -20% ~-40% depending on market conditions. In todays market you can even upsell at that age. At about 5-7 years depending on how well its taken care (heat, regular use, not cleaning because you really don't have to except blow out the dust) it will start to exhibit possible issues. That's my experience at least, and by that time, its probably obsolete.

Thanks this again is the vote of confidence i'm looking for. Those under £1000 suggestions didn't make sense to me.

UPDATE:

Offered the seller: £1000

Sellers thoughts: He said he can easily get over £1500 excl. 2 TB SSD

Sellers discounted offer: £1200 excl. 2 TB SSD

I offered to bake him a cake (lol) if he can meet me at £1100 (TBC)
 
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Thanks this again is the vote of confidence i'm looking for. Those under £1000 suggestions didn't make sense to me.

UPDATE:

Offered the seller: £1000

Sellers thoughts: He said he can easily get over £1500 excl. 2 TB SSD

Sellers discounted offer: £1200 excl. 2 TB SSD

I offered to bake him a cake (lol) if he can meet me at £1100 (TBC)

The cake is a lie....... :laugh:

Hopefully he goes for it because even if you swap in a z690/12600k the total purchase price is still good.
 
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The cake is a lie....... :laugh:

Hopefully he goes for it because even if you swap in a z690/12600k the total purchase price is still good.

I mean it's a "bad" price overall, but if the OP must have a new PC now that it's not terrible at todays inflated prices.

OP what is this buy for? If it's not an urgent need I'd tell him good luck on the future sale and go on your way.
 
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I mean it's a "bad" price overall, but if the OP must have a new PC now that it's not terrible at todays inflated prices.

OP what is this buy for? If it's not an urgent need I'd tell him good luck on the future sale and go on your way.

Yeah, I agree but at the same time it's hard to even get a similar performing gpu right now for less who knows when/if the market will ever correct itself so it's sorta a gamble either way. When you factor in he can sell his current gpu for about 40% of what he's paying for this system in the current market it aint that bad.

I still think the op should just upgrade to a 12600k and keep his gpu and wait it out but it ain't my money so he should do what he feels works best for him.
 
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Thanks this again is the vote of confidence i'm looking for. Those under £1000 suggestions didn't make sense to me.

UPDATE:

Offered the seller: £1000

Sellers thoughts: He said he can easily get over £1500 excl. 2 TB SSD

Sellers discounted offer: £1200 excl. 2 TB SSD

I offered to bake him a cake (lol) if he can meet me at £1100 (TBC)
That's business :) Looks like a win-win waiting to happen
 
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i think the gpu is being over valued, here in the UK a 2080ti used is about £450 to £550 depending on the model and the rest of the system is gravy, some nice parts but not a Ks worth in my view maybe £850 at a push.
 
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i think the gpu is being over valued, here in the UK a 2080ti used is about £450 to £550 depending on the model and the rest of the system is gravy, some nice parts but not a Ks worth in my view maybe £850 at a push.

Everything I'm seeing as a completed listing on ebay in the uk is over 1000 usd.... Even broken cards seem to be selling for 500 usd... maybe you can add some links to where 2080 ti are available for that price because he could likely build a better a system if that is the case.
 
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you have to look bud, make offers , talk to people, what thay ask for is not allways what thay will take. 2/hand is a buyers market.
 
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you have to look bud, make offers , talk to people, what thay ask for is not allways what thay will take. 2/hand is a buyers market.
Hey, if you can get me a 2080 Ti for 500 quid I'll buy two of them. They're 1000 euros around here.
 
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as said you have to do the work for it, thay dont come to my door wanting to sell to me . im in the trade i dont play the silly money game i play my game after all its my money.
 
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tbf you'd have to throw away the 9700K and put in at least an 8700 (9900[K] more realistically given the 2080Ti), unfortunately the non-SMT parts really aged like milk ... rip.
 
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It's been used for 2-3 years for gaming (casual) and cryto/stock trading. No mining. No overclocking. The seller hasn't disclosed a price.

I don't have much other info on it but have all the freedom in the world to check it out, test it out, compare specs, etc. According to him it works a treat, runs super super super quiet, some parts are newer, great airflow, below 60/65c temps on load (gaming) and delivers consistent performance with launch 2080 TI/9700K reviews (according to him). Being RTX 3000 costs a house nowadays im open to grabbing a Gen down if it hits 90fps+ at 1440p with Battlefield 2042 (the primary goal). Yours thoughts on the performance target would be appreciated too.

CPU: i7-9700K
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COOLER 1: X62 Kraken AIO (CPU cooler)
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Before I make a bumb of myself and offer too-low of a price... how much would you pay or whats it worth?

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1. Seller is 100% trusted - not only a 20 year+ local family friend and also my brothers partner in business/investments
2. I'm (and the seller) based in the UK.
2080Ti ebays for about £800-900. Harder to sell with aftermarket cooling on it though, so call it a £750 value.
Rest of the PC is fine for its age - offer ~£1250 as a complete unit provided everything is in good working order.

You could easily part it out and sell the parts for £1500+ if you were so inclined. You're lucky to get more than 75% the value of the combined parts selling it as a complete system so if they argue the parts are worth more than that then tell them to dismantle and list it themselves. Doing that shit takes time and my time isn't free.

I agree with others here, the spec is dumb and has aged poorly. The 9700K competes with quad-cores these days because of a serious thread shortage and is wasting the GPU. Either try and find a 9900K cheap (which isn't an easy job and leaves you with an undesirable 9700K to deal with) or swap the 2080Ti for a 2060 and either sell on the 2080Ti or use it in something more deserving. For this reason the system is appealing to buy for parts that you can sell seperately (or use yourself if you want them) but the 9700K is going to be outperformed by cheaper, R5 3600 and 10th Gen i5, putting a hard limit on how much that dead-end socket and CPU are worth. I see used CPU+board bundles for those i5/R5 all the time at ~£200.
 
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actually Z370/390 isn't a dead end, you have both 8700 and 9900 as viable upgrade options
the only catch/problem is 9900s are super expensive (far more than 10700s) because we're not the only geniuses who've figured that the non-SMT parts are hot garbage in 2021
 

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actually Z370/390 isn't a dead end, you have both 8700 and 9900 as viable upgrade options
the only catch/problem is 9900s are super expensive (far more than 10700s) because we're not the only geniuses who've figured that the non-SMT parts are hot garbage in 2021

9900K is only 270 quid from CEX which is a great price for such a CPU
 
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actually Z370/390 isn't a dead end, you have both 8700 and 9900 as viable upgrade options
the only catch/problem is 9900s are super expensive (far more than 10700s) because we're not the only geniuses who've figured that the non-SMT parts are hot garbage in 2021

8700 won't hack it on BF2042. 9900K / 10700K + 3080 looks like minimum to consistently do 90fps. But, you need a 3080 to do 90 fps at 1440p ultra.

Here's a 9900K + 3080, at 1440p ultra they're hitting ~75-85 fps with CPU 45-60%. Can probably push over 90 if the settings are reduced. 2080 Ti is more comparable to a 3070 though.

 
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Seems like the game isn't worth buying a PC for anyway.
 
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I feel me mad to bought it for 40€ for PS4, an AAA Game and in the end its max. an playable Alpha a long way away from a Beta.
 
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8700 won't hack it on BF2042. 9900K / 10700K + 3080 looks like minimum to consistently do 90fps. But, you need a 3080 to do 90 fps at 1440p ultra.

Here's a 9900K + 3080, at 1440p ultra they're hitting ~75-85 fps with CPU 45-60%. Can probably push over 90 if the settings are reduced. 2080 Ti is more comparable to a 3070 though.

not every game can utilise all 16T tho, but there's more games that get bottlenecked by 8T than 12T
Obviously depends on what you're planning on playing, if all you're doing is either 4K or just doesn't care about more than 8T/12T, sure
However the upgrade path's there if you need a 16T/12T, that's my point
 
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Thats nuts!!

More crazy if we take the current market pricing for GPUs into account. I could probably get £450-£550 alone for my current GTX 1080 TI.


That's why I'd part it out. The value of the 1080 Ti will greatly depend on what it is MSI Gaming Trio for example will get you more than say an EVGA SC due to the significant difference in OC performance. It's never about the typical 4-5% performance difference between AIB cards ... you won't pay 5% more for a card that's 5% faster ... people pay 10-15% or more for the bragging rights. I don't think you could £500 ish for your 1080 Ti

There's an EVGA SC2 on ebay for $310 (£232) ... Asus Reference style for $390 (£292)and MSI Gaming for $570 (£330) and Asus Strix for $500 (£375) Gigabyte Aurus $505 (£428)

But again, the devil is in the details and you have to read the post in the context in which it was given. A "rule of thumb", by definition, is something that will get you ***close*** most of the time or under normal conditions. Current market conditions certainly do not fall into "Normal Conditions". Refer to this paragraph in the original post:

"However, the dearth of new products + pandemic inflated pricing has induced folks to pay more of late. And you also have to look at it from a perspective of what will the value be a year from now when market returns to normal (assuming it does) in case you want to get a new box. And that's the problem especially with a family / friend .... the current market leaves a huge gap between vale and perceived value.... so whatever is actually fair would generally leave both sides less than happy."

What's going to happen to that value when the market returns to normal ? What's going to happen when the 4xxx series drops ? So lets look back a few years .... $250 1060 was 50% faster than the $650 780. Now we are in a unique market where the price of everything is inflated because of the pandemic, and even more so because of pent up demand. The 3080 Ti has a $1800 list price ... why ? because they can. The MSI Gaming Trio To costs $2,400 ... why, because they can. It's popular to jump on manufacturers and sellers for inflated prices but ya can't say they are evil .....

a) When a manufacturer has low yields or can't get products to market, they still have to pay all their normal expenses, so of they used to selling 10,000 products a month and now they are selling half that, their markup has to increase substantially.... that's not necessarily "profit", ... rent hasn't change, utilities haven't changed, layoffs don't cover all of the labor costs.

b) When a reseller has low inventory because they can't get or can't get products to sell, they still have to pay all their normal expenses, so of they used to selling 500 units a month and now they are selling half that, their markup has to increase substantially.... again, that's not necessarily "profit", ... rent hasn't change, utilities haven't changed, layoffs don't cover all of the labor costs.

The key here is that they can only do that when people continue to buy. Resellers don't make money for units sitting on shelves; so they adjust prices accordingly. So the price of the past generation cards and other components are inflated because of supply issues. When product yields and supply chain issues are resolved, and the market returns to normal, the value of older componentry will go down the toilet.

So hence the dilemma I described. For the sake of argument, let's say the market returns to normal in Summer 2022. By that time we'll be reading leaks about the new 4xxx series cards an the sales of 3xxx series will drop. As that happens the value of older generation products will tank.

So it comes down to this .....

1. One could make various arguments to support a price of say £1200 or even the current parts price listed above of almost £1800

2. But 6 - 12 months down the road, will you have buyers remorse knowing that your system is worth less than (£500) after just a few months of use ?

That's my point .... what's it worth ? ... it depends.

If you are going to use the system for say 2 years before your next build, it's going to cost you £50 - 75 per month ... worth it
If you are going to use the system for say 9 months before upgrading, it's going to cost you £133 - 200 per month ... not worth it.

Between here and my son's house we have gamers of 30, 29, 28, 29, 27 and 26 ... just about all of them were excited about upgrading to the 3xxx series. They have (4) 1080 Ti's or (1) 2080 Ti and (one) 2070 and all are now sitting tight .... not only the inflated costs of components but "what" if in the area of job security come into play.
 
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