Crappy VRMs on B350s, few X370s as well - inadvisable Ryzen 7 overclocking over 1.32-1.35V

Sempron Guy · Sep 2, 2017

I've seen the VRMS on my Asrock x370 Taichi go as high as 90c. That's before I positioned a fan on the upper vent of the case directly blowing fresh air at the mosfet heatsink. Now it just hovers around the mid 60s.

eidairaman1 · Sep 2, 2017

Sempron Guy said:
I've seen the VRMS on my Asrock x370 Taichi go as high as 90c. That's before I positioned a fan on the upper vent of the case directly blowing fresh air at the mosfet heatsink. Now it just hovers around the mid 60s.

Yup all boards could do better with direct airflow on the vrms

In my case with stress testing I should add a hsf right over where the socket sits on the back of my board.

MrGenius · Sep 2, 2017

Seeing a problem where none exists + FUD = Moving on...

Have a nice day!

natr0n · Sep 2, 2017

Give me the worst vrms ill put a fan on them. Heat no longer becomes an issue.

It's like if your gpu came without fans would you mindlessly use it as is ?

Dave_K · Sep 2, 2017

natr0n said:
Give me the worst vrms ill put a fan on them. Heat no longer becomes an issue.

It's like if your gpu came without fans would you mindlessly use it as is ?

Why would you stuff more fans into your Pc just because you bought mobo with shit VRMs? Most people dont or wont do that, thats why i made this post to show stuff you shouldn't buy. The VRMs have their limits, if you measure 100°C on the heatsink, the internal parts of the mosfet run over 130°C

thesmokingman · Sep 2, 2017

natr0n said:
Give me the worst vrms ill put a fan on them. Heat no longer becomes an issue.

It's like if your gpu came without fans would you mindlessly use it as is ?

Of he acts like his case exists in a world without fans... omg?

Hood · Sep 2, 2017

I have my rear case fan reversed, filtered, and angled towards the VRM/CPU/RAM. It took 10 minutes and cost nothing (I already had the 120mm filter).

Looks like time to clean again...

Dave_K · Sep 2, 2017

Hood said:
I have my rear case fan reversed, filtered, and angled towards the VRM/CPU/RAM. It took 10 minutes and cost nothing (I already had the 120mm filter). Looks like time to clean again...

Bit dusty huh? Not feeling like anyone would do that just because of the shitty VRMs on the mobo they bought. Interesting solution btw.

eidairaman1 · Sep 2, 2017

Dave_K said:
Why would you stuff more fans into your Pc just because you bought mobo with shit VRMs? Most people dont or wont do that, thats why i made this post to show stuff you shouldn't buy. The VRMs have their limits, if you measure 100°C on the heatsink, the internal parts of the mosfet run over 130°C

Because fans are cheaper than motherboards, plus mitigate most issues. Of course there is always the propensity of pushing vrms too hard with voltage that they deteriorate, but that's all circuits, not all can push further than others.

Final_Fighter · Sep 2, 2017

The manufacturers built their boards to just barely get the job done hoping people would not really notice so that they can make more money. its nice to see a thread like this regardless of all the people who are giving the opp flak. i can tell you from experience that the manufacturers do have people who monitor this and other online threads to see what people are saying about their products. if enough noise is made they WILL make the necessary adjustments.

as pointed by cadaveca, asrock was the only manufacturer to send him any review boards and it also just so happens they have some of the highest ratings on all the online shopping sites for their am4 boards.

Athlon2K15 · Sep 2, 2017

ASRock AM4 motherboards kill m.2 SSDs.

cadaveca · Sep 2, 2017

Athlon2K15 said:
ASRock AM4 motherboards kill m.2 SSDs.

Not my 256 GB 950 PRO or my Intel 535, running since before the launch with no issues.

Filip Georgievski · Sep 2, 2017

Most good board with good VRMs would do a good OC with a lower voltage since they provide good and clean stable voltage on the CPU.
My old but still decent ASUS board that i bought second hand does a 3.8Ghz OC on my I5 750 with voltage as low as 1.285 which was suprising given the fact that older chips are more power hungry.
Mind you, it is a budget board, look it up in my specs.

HTC · Sep 2, 2017

Athlon2K15 said:
ASRock AM4 motherboards kill m.2 SSDs.

Source, please?

I have a Taichi and, though i don't have an M.2 SSD, i do plan to get one later.

R@stamau5e · Sep 2, 2017

I've got the lowest end ASRock b350 board the AB350m and OC a 1600 to 3.8 (I can go to 3.9-4.0 but the extra vcore required doesn't justify the 100mhz increase) and I have no issues with VRM temps as per my SS below, I have a generic mid tower case with 3x bitfenix xtreme 120mm running @+12v (2x front intake, 1x rear exhaust) and the stock Wraith cooler.

Final_Fighter · Sep 2, 2017

my brothers been using a 128gb ssd in his asrock killer sli/ac board sense ryzen first released. if you have a source please let us know about it. you may be right and i would hate to have him loose his m.2 over this. plus i planned on getting the same setup in a couple of months.

Hood · Sep 2, 2017

Dave_K said:
Bit dusty huh? Not feeling like anyone would do that just because of the shitty VRMs on the mobo they bought. Interesting solution btw.

Yeah, mostly because I smoke, and sit about 3 feet away from my case. My Asus Z97 Deluxe has fairly good board components, I just don't like VRM temps in the 80s, and this fan dropped them about 15c.

Athlon2K15 · Sep 2, 2017

HTC said:
Source, please?

I have a Taichi and, though i don't have an M.2 SSD, i do plan to get one later.

Me, ASRock Gaming K4 killed a WD Black and 960 EVO out of nowhere both times drive was dead within a week of testing.

Steevo · Sep 2, 2017

I stopped using MSI years ago after a horrible experience with a shitty but expensive board, and 4 or 5 dead Northbridge HS/F combos.

HTC · Sep 2, 2017

Athlon2K15 said:
Me, ASRock Gaming K4 killed a WD Black and 960 EVO out of nowhere both times drive was dead within a week of testing.

Ouch: that sucks, dude!

You sure the board is @ fault? Could some other thing, maybe! Perhaps something with your board specificly is faulty and, if so, i'd suggest you contact AsRock and tell them about it ASAP: your board may need be replaced.

cadaveca · Sep 2, 2017

Athlon2K15 said:
Me, ASRock Gaming K4 killed a WD Black and 960 EVO out of nowhere both times drive was dead within a week of testing.

Well, that's probably the worst board for AM4 ASRock has, so no surprise. Probably just an assembly error that QC didn't catch.

I had big hopes for AM4 MSI, but then I never got one, so to me, that speaks volumes about the platform in general.

Also, I'm pretty sure I just posted the review of that board, and had another 950 PRO in it since launch... so your issue is a one-off, or I'd be livid, an no review would have been posted.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASRock/X370_Gaming_K4/

Athlon2K15 · Sep 2, 2017

HTC said:
Ouch: that suck, dude!

You sure the board is @ fault? Could some other thing, maybe! Perhaps something with your board specificly is faulty and, if so, i'd suggest you contact AsRock and tell them about it ASAP: your board may need be replaced.

Likely had a janky m.2 slot. i ditched the board and grabbed a CH6 now.

Athlon2K15 · Sep 2, 2017

cadaveca said:
Well, that's probably the worst board for AM4 ASRock has, so no surprise. Probably just an assembly error that QC didn't catch.

I had big hopes for AM4 MSI, but then I never got one, so to me, that speaks volumes about the platform in general.

Also, I'm pretty sure I just posted the review of that board, and had another 950 PRO in it since launch... so your issue is a one-off, or I'd be livid, an no review would have been posted.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASRock/X370_Gaming_K4/

I don't understand how you not getting a board says anything about the platform.

HTC · Sep 2, 2017

Athlon2K15 said:
Likely had a janky m.2 slot. i ditched the board and grabbed a CH6 now.

So it was something specific to your board and not to AsRock boards in general: way to blow something out of proportion, dude ...

In any case, i'd complain to AsRock to make sure i'd get refunded for the 2 devices lost due to their faulty board, assuming that turns out to be the culprit.

eidairaman1 · Sep 3, 2017

I was thinking the Gaming Carbon Pro looked well built vs the titanium model... but what Am I thinking, they used to have the OC series, so to me these boards just mean, install, set to defaults and game.

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Crappy VRMs on B350s, few X370s as well - inadvisable Ryzen 7 overclocking over 1.32-1.35V

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Keyboard	MSI GK30 Mecha-Membrane
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