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Crappy VRMs on B350s, few X370s as well - inadvisable Ryzen 7 overclocking over 1.32-1.35V

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This takes me back to the "good ol' days" with the socket A boards of looking for an IR image of the motherboard under load to find which chips needed attention whether it be adding heatsinks or merely extra airflow. I do agree that it is a little misleading to market a lower-end board for overclocking; however, I can't say I've ever paid much attention to the marketing on the box when basing my purchases.
 
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Personally admire the level of detail shown. It says; " Hi, I've done some research and here's what I found. ".
Not sure what it really has to do with amd vrms but... yeah. Thorough post on return rates for intel products. God bless that hardware.fr site which has given these out for years.
 

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Then why are there issues?
what issues ?
nobody is blowing boards up nobody is throttling with the exception of asrocks buggy ass bios
 
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Hmmm. I'm starting to think that old-school cases, with a fan over the CPU area, might come back into style with the rise of AIO CLCs.
I'm using one of those.
 

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Then why are there issues?
There basically aren't issues. People push budget hardware too hard (because marketing says they can OC) and then realize why the more expensive boards exist lol.

Here's a thought: Do we have higher [unrealistic?] expectations of low end boards now that the high end boards' vrm are so ludicrously overkill?
 
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Once saw one of those nForce 4 AM3+ motherboards, rated for 95w TDP maximum, trying to hold a FX 8350. Poor thing shut itself down under any kind of load.
I thought AMD would set the bar for the X370 and B350 chipsets so manufacturers didn't cheap out like that.
 
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This takes me back to the "good ol' days" with the socket A boards of looking for an IR image of the motherboard under load to find which chips needed attention whether it be adding heatsinks or merely extra airflow. I do agree that it is a little misleading to market a lower-end board for overclocking; however, I can't say I've ever paid much attention to the marketing on the box when basing my purchases.
I love and still own my socket A board..
But surely trying to 'cheap' out buying a cheap overclocking board never works. Skimping on things only makes you end up paying twice or twice as much... I learnt that the hard way but even with some of the boards now I'm surprised in a way that even some of the more expensive boards skimp on things.
 

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Hello, i see you use the Pictures from our Teammate and Overclockermember Saibot from www.Hardwareinside.de

https://www.hardwareinside.de/msi-b350-tomahawk-im-test-25145/
https://www.hardwareinside.de/community/threads/review-des-msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon.4635/

Next Time pls, make a Sources for Copyrights. Thank you
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You know what? Honestly I have NEVER had any issues at all EVER with any VRM burn out. I do not know about this new MB the B350 seems to be great so far good OC and no voltage increase on my Rysen 3 1300X got her running at 3.72Ghz out of box! I wont go higher till I get a better cooler I never take a CPU voltage up on stock cooling NEVER!
 

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You know what? Honestly I have NEVER had any issues at all EVER with any VRM burn out. I do not know about this new MB the B350 seems to be great so far good OC and no voltage increase on my Rysen 3 1300X got her running at 3.72Ghz out of box! I wont go higher till I get a better cooler I never take a CPU voltage up on stock cooling NEVER!
Never had an issue with cheap VRMs either then again I don't buy cheap boards, I do research on them
 

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for every degree cooler then the maximum you run a vrm the current handling capacity accually increases a bit,a vrm thats 300A @ 125c might be 350 or 400A at 80c

there is other things like switching speed and thermal efficiency to consider but running a vrm at its rated frigging output is not going to blow it up
you are not smarter then the engineers at international rectifier so please just stop

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Hey guys I know this thread is somewhat old but I'm gonna get myself a Ryzen 3 1200 system tomorrow and I was gonna pick up a MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon for $150 but then I came across this video of a R7 2700X running on a MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium with the power delivery system of the board making a scary noise:

So I thought if that board with slightly better VRM does that what would that CPU do to the Gaming Pro Carbon?
Yes I'm just getting a Ryzen 3 1200 but I am gonna upgrade to a R7 2700 or R7 3700 later on. So I do want my board to be able to handle them. So I was wondering if it's worth to spend an extra $40 to get the Asus Prime X370 Pro for $190 which seems to have a better 6+2 phase VRM? But how much better is it? Can it run the R7 2700X? Can't the B350 Pro Carbon do that? $40 is a lot and that board also doesn't look as good. I want a fully black board. But if it is necessary I wouldn't mind it...
 
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If you really wanted to push that 2700x I'd go with asrock taichi.
 
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If you really wanted to push that 2700x I'd go with asrock taichi.
Sadly I can't find ANY ASRock AM4 board at all where I live. And the Asus Prime X370 Pro is as high as I can go in price aslo.. I don't want top 4.2 overclocks. I'd be happy with stock which seems to be at around 4GHz on all cores?

Asus Prime X370 Pro has a noticeably better VRM right? I just don't want to spend that extra $40 for little to nothing..
 
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Gaming 5 is better than Prime X370 Pro
Check Strix X370-F as well (my bae)
Generally, X370 XPower = Prime X370 Pro
The joke was that MSI did something at US250 whilst Asus could do it at US150.
 
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Also not available here XD I'm screwed. There is only shitty MSI X370s and only 3 Asus X370s and a few Gigabyte ones which are very expensive.
The closest (in price) better board after the Asus Prime X370 Pro is the Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 at $340 lol.
$340 vs $190 for the Asus Prime X370 Pro xD I can barely afford the Asus one already .-.
Get the asus then. It'll handle oc fine. It's the cheapest x370 to make it to the high-end am4 tier and best bang for the buck overclocking mobo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/630gc9
 
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Gaming 5 is better than Prime X370 Pro
Check Strix X370-F as well (my bae)
Generally, X370 XPower = Prime X370 Pro
The joke was that MSI did something at US250 whilst Asus could do it at US150.
I know it is better but definitely not worth $150 more lol
Well if XPower = Prime Pro then FML.


So it's worth the extra $40 to get the Prime X370 Pro over the B350 Pro Carbon?
 
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I know it is better but definitely not worth $150 more lol
Well if XPower = Prime Pro then FML.


So it's worth the extra $40 to get the Prime X370 Pro over the B350 Pro Carbon?
Yes. If you're gonna upgrade to 8 cores then it definitely is.
 
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Get the asus then. It'll handle oc fine. It's the cheapest x370 to make it to the high-end am4 tier and best bang for the buck overclocking mobo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/630gc9
Oh thanks for that list. Then I probably should go for the Asus if it counts as high-end while the Pro Carbon counts as midrange.

Oh btw the MSI XPower Gaming Titanium + a free Plextor S3C 128GB SSD is $240 lol so technically it's cheaper than the Asus board. But is it better? I kinda think it's worse than Asus but idk. Talking about VRMs only btw.. Idc about anything else.
 

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Oh thanks for that list. Then I probably should go for the Asus if it counts as high-end while the Pro Carbon counts as midrange.

Oh btw the MSI XPower Gaming Titanium + a free Plextor S3C 128GB SSD is $240 lol so technically it's cheaper than the Asus board. But is it better? I kinda think it's worse than Asus but idk. Talking about VRMs only btw.. Idc about anything else.
Only two board manufacturers come out on top for reliability and quality especially when it comes to overclocking, that is Asus and ASRock. I'm pretty sure under stock conditions just about any b350 motherboard should be able to handle the processors, I just wouldn't overclock with them though. That noise either sounds like the fan or it had some coil whine. Coilwine itself is nothing of concern, and is not covered by most board manufacturers as a warrantable condition.
 
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