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First is some random guy based in US, Nobody can find GPU stock and this fellow managed to grab a crap load of 3060, 3070 and 3080

https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/leprmb
Do you think it is time TPU re-introduce crypto mining into the GPU benchmarks? @W1zzard




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Rather wizzard should dedicate a page to how wasteful crypto mining with GPU is and how cryptominers should sizzle in hell. Amen.
 

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Rather wizzard should dedicate a page to how wasteful crypto mining with GPU is and how cryptominers should sizzle in hell. Amen.
Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.

Gamers man.
 
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Crypto currency exists to facilitate ransomware payments and money laundering and to enrich the creators of the schemes. Name one other thing that isn't done ten thousand times better by VISA or Discover.
 
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Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.

Gamers man.
Are you really trying to equate making two buck when the fad is relevant to some kind of democratic movement to "stick it to the man" or some such?

Stop it man lol. You'll make even seasoned prostitutes blush with that kinda praise.
 
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Mining also brings malware, as in viruses that run in the background stealing your resources for someone elses gain, similar to botnets for DDoS attacks. Never been a fan of mining, ie. couldn't be bothered, also I'm not a fan of used GPUs hitting the used market again with different BIOSes, being near EOL and so on... not to mention hardware unavailabilty. Mining just adds more insecurity to the hardware market, nothing good has come of it.
 

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Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.

Gamers man.

hey care to loan me some of your Bitcoin so I can get a 30 year mortgage on a house? oh you can't help me with that... ah ok... I have to ask fiat banks to do that? oh i see...
 

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So many cynics.

Looked at what's happening in financial markets recently?

Visa, PayPal, banks, corporatations, governments, all jumping on the crypto bandwagon.

It will be free and open for maybe 5-10 more years. Then will get progressively more locked down, as establishments shift their powerbase.

Live in the past with fear as your impulse and you will never be a first adopter of revolutionary technology.

And to think this is a tech site lol.

I have 25k worth of mostly obsolete (1-4 years old) mining hardware set up at my camel milk farm in Australia. Powered entirely by off grid ex housing solar panels I bought for 10c on the dollar with 15 of their 25 year useful life left.

Crypto makes sense when you solve the electricity problem.

That or you're china and dgaf about clean energy and just use coal to power farms.

Watch what China does, they're pretty on point with shifting financial direction even as the USA declines.
 
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Funny times, due to the price spike I used my 2080 Super to mine for a week and tweak it for efficiency. I managed to make it profitable even with my current power cost at 0,31€ per kWh.

I get 44MH/s at 112W power consumption. All the politics regarding krypto aside, it was a fun task to fine tune my hardware for optimal power efficiency.
 
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Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.

Gamers man.

Lol. 2012 called, it wants its ideas back.

Get with the program. This is pure speculative and will never go beyond it. Even if it does its a shadow economy, in other words, unprotected and unregulated. It won't ever fly. We used several thousands of years to figure out banks were a good idea.

Its called reinventing the wheel... no matter what you do, it'll once again turn into a wheel and all you did along the way was part many fools with money. That's what crypto has done until today. Its an economy of nothingness. What's being traded is the notion that somehow someday the idea of crypto will land in the real economy. It still hasn't, despite some examples of 'investments' - that's just speculating to make money, make no mistake. Its a self fulfilling prophecy that way.

Also
- its not secure. You lose wallet access (self managed! ergo vulnerable to all things in life, the very reason we wanted to not save money in old socks but put it in vaults), and you lose everything.
- its not free. The bill just didn't get paid yet or is not being calculated right. Energy usage of transactions is ramping up as the blockchain gets bigger.
- its not decentralised, because for trade you will still need exchanges and because there is no regulation right now, what you're seeing is millions and millions vanishing within exchanges. We've had numerous events already and they won't stop. Its the new bank heist often committed by its very founders, and therefore, you will want to regulate that, control it, especially as important people and organizations come in. Net result? You're right back where you started before crypto.
- It will be taxed, and it will be controlled and managed because that is how we manage societies, and money is integral to society.

- the infrastructure exists without crypto. The blockchain is not specific to financial currency. Currency can be anything that represents data.
 
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Lol. 2012 called, it wants its ideas back.

Get with the program. This is pure speculative and will never go beyond it. Even if it does its a shadow economy, in other words, unprotected and unregulated. It won't ever fly. We used several thousands of years to figure out banks were a good idea.

Its called reinventing the wheel... no matter what you do, it'll once again turn into a wheel and all you did along the way was part many fools with money. That's what crypto has done until today. Its an economy of nothingness. What's being traded is the notion that somehow someday the idea of crypto will land in the real economy. It still hasn't, despite some examples of 'investments' - that's just speculating to make money, make no mistake. Its a self fulfilling prophecy that way.

Also
- its not secure. You lose wallet access (self managed! ergo vulnerable to all things in life, the very reason we wanted to not save money in old socks but put it in vaults), and you lose everything.
- its not free. The bill just didn't get paid yet or is not being calculated right. Energy usage of transactions is ramping up as the blockchain gets bigger.
- its not decentralised, because for trade you will still need exchanges and because there is no regulation right now, what you're seeing is millions and millions vanishing within exchanges. We've had numerous events already and they won't stop. Its the new bank heist often committed by its very founders, and therefore, you will want to regulate that, control it, especially as important people and organizations come in. Net result? You're right back where you started before crypto.
- It will be taxed, and it will be controlled and managed because that is how we manage societies, and money is integral to society.

- the infrastructure exists without crypto. The blockchain is not specific to financial currency. Currency can be anything that represents data.
Secure - Hardware wallet/insured service with exchange. Loss of key/account is the same as losing your house keys and saying that the system isn't secure.
Free - The only fees are for using convenience services. There is 0 fee for sending crypto from one wallet to another, hence the peer to peer nature of the technology.
Decentralised - It's more convenient to trade using exchanges, but is absolutely not the only way to trade.
Taxed - already is bub. As you said, get with the program
Societies - Yeah, been proven to be real stable lately :laugh:

Infrastructure is literally the GP hardware that people mine with, and therefore is the most decentralised thing possible. So what if there's a lot of large scale mining farms, there's also a lot of one guy in garages as well.

Remember Vayra, nothing ever changes and rules made from experience of the past apply to the future as well.

Have fun in your box.

"economy of nothingness"

As opposed to normal money which is backed by gold? Wait no...

In my view, conventional money is one of the biggest throw backs to an age that's passing. We've moved on from fax to VOIP/internet, we've moved on from gasoline to electric/hydrogen, we've moved on from steam trains to hyperloop, yet we still use national currencies?

I think there's a place for the equivalent of a "stock" where a nation has a tradable token/coin linked to it's GDP/fiscal status, but these need to be easily and conveniently converted into any other form of currency if the holder decides they want to.

Crypto is the closest we've come to a technology that can do all of these things, is scalable and also early stages technology wise, there's so much development going on.

Just like in software development is much faster than hardware, I think that crypto will supercede national currencies sooner or later.

That or national currencies will change and become more like stocks/crypto. Compromise of the two extremes.
 
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Funny times, due to the price spike I used my 2080 Super to mine for a week and tweak it for efficiency. I managed to make it profitable even with my current power cost at 0,31€ per kWh.

I get 44MH/s at 112W power consumption. All the politics regarding krypto aside, it was a fun task to fine tune my hardware for optimal power efficiency.

my 2080ti is giving me about 57 m/hs.. its in my daily use machine i just leave it running nicehash 24/7 in the background.. basically i dont know its running.. its making around 45 dollars per week which gets added to my bitcoin stash.. my bitcoin stash will go wherever bitcoin goes..

i do have a 3080 (normal upgrade) still in its box waiting for me to get round to installing it.. that should produce up to 90 m/hs... i paid what i consider a good scalper price for that.. £1045..

my advice to anyone that does own a half decent gpu is to accept reality for what it is and set it to mining..

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Rather wizzard should dedicate a page to how wasteful crypto mining with GPU is and how cryptominers should sizzle in hell. Amen.
I dont believe in hell.
 
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I'm too busy to start that up again anyways, was a fun run though.

Rather wizzard should dedicate a page to how wasteful crypto mining with GPU is and how cryptominers should sizzle in hell. Amen.
Hell no. Techpowerup is about technology not gaming. Keep it that way. Use case agnostic.
 
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I'm too busy to start that up again anyways, was a fun run though.


Hell no. Techpowerup is about technology not gaming. Keep it that way. Use case agnostic.


I am using your old guide as my research now R-T-B.

My 3090 is needed to process sequencing data every week and usually only take about 26~30hrs per week. Looks like I will be putting it to mining use during the rest of the week.
 
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Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.
Your exchange just called. They got hacked / raided / shutdown / disappeared.
Oh, and Greta Thunberg is on the other line. She wants a few words with you.

Miners man.
 
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Crypto makes sense when you solve the electricity problem.

Crypto makes sense as long as you can exchange it for fiat, take that out the equation and it’s utterly worthless. Bitcoin began as an alternative currency for payments and nobody gave a shit but as soon as exchanges popped out that allowed you to cash out it’s value skyrocketed.
 

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Pump and dump. That's how Bitcoin's going at the moment. Investing is pushing the price up, at some ceiling, people start to sell, you get a domino effect.
Tesla just bought $1.5b worth and Elon tweets it. How's that for market manipulation? The golden boy snaps his hyper-wealthy fingers and people pay attention. He could sell it again, Tweet something negative and it'd crash. Hell, if he smokes another blunt, he might do that for a joke.
 
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i just read somewhere that tesla has 20 billion in cash... buying 1.5 billions worth of bitcoin is small change to them.. its just somewhere to put some spare investment cash..

the thing that most folks dont seem to grasp is that to the mega rich cash has to be made use of somehow otherwise its worth bugger all.. just figures on a balance sheet..

i have a small amount of crypto.. i could convert it into cash but why should i if i think crypto is gonna increase in its cash value.. there is only one reason.. i need the cash.. being as i dont i will hang onto my crypto and watch it go up in value.. something i think it will do..



trog

ps.. for what its worth i have just read that apple are about to convert some of its spare cash into crypto.. 5 billions worth this time.. he he
 
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So many cynics.

Looked at what's happening in financial markets recently?

Visa, PayPal, banks, corporatations, governments, all jumping on the crypto bandwagon.

It will be free and open for maybe 5-10 more years. Then will get progressively more locked down, as establishments shift their powerbase.

Live in the past with fear as your impulse and you will never be a first adopter of revolutionary technology.

And to think this is a tech site lol.

I have 25k worth of mostly obsolete (1-4 years old) mining hardware set up at my camel milk farm in Australia. Powered entirely by off grid ex housing solar panels I bought for 10c on the dollar with 15 of their 25 year useful life left.

Crypto makes sense when you solve the electricity problem.

That or you're china and dgaf about clean energy and just use coal to power farms.

Watch what China does, they're pretty on point with shifting financial direction even as the USA declines.

i just read somewhere that tesla has 20 billion in cash... buying 1.5 billions worth of bitcoin is small change to them.. its just somewhere to put some spare investment cash..

the thing that most folks dont seem to grasp is that to the mega rich cash has to be made use of somehow otherwise its worth bugger all.. just figures on a balance sheet..

i have a small amount of crypto.. i could convert it into cash but why should i if i think crypto is gonna increase in its cash value.. there is only one reason.. i need the cash.. being as i dont i will hang onto my crypto and watch it go up in value.. something i think it will do..



trog

ps.. for what its worth i have just read that apple are about to convert some of its spare cash into crypto.. 5 billions worth this time.. he he


Time will tell if this is good decision making or not. Yellen may decide to tax BTC used in business transactions or exchanges, if she feels it threatens fiat and therefore government sovereignty, I could see a scenario where Yellen places 40%+ tax rates on any exchange made with BTC, time will tell if government embraces it or not, but my hunch is not. Being able to print, negotiate with it in trade deals, etc is too powerful an asset for government to simply give it up. Cryptocurrency does undermine Fiat, and once Yellen realizes that, it will be banned everywhere or taxed to death.
 
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Yeah. Providing the foundation for the first decentralised, middleman free, fee free, international, secure, fast, 24/7, financial transaction and infrastructure network ever, is a bad thing, purely because it makes hardware harder to get.

Gamers man.
Because crypto doesn't give a f*ck about the hobby it destroyed, and sorry - at this point it's grown into a speculative pump and dump for the big money to gamble in. The days where it made a difference to the "little people" who might have benefited from a decentralized currency are long behind it.

So yea, Gamers man. But don't worry, we've lost enough generations of kids to phones and consoles, let alone made the 2nd attempt at VR still-born due to lack of hardware availability that you won't have to worry about us annoying PC gamers anymore.
 
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I am using your old guide as my research now R-T-B.

My 3090 is needed to process sequencing data every week and usually only take about 26~30hrs per week. Looks like I will be putting it to mining use during the rest of the week.
Old guide was pascal based but still has some pretty cool and most likely relevant data in it.

Honestly, I know it's rather cliche, but I have had no desire to mine since stable employment.

Because crypto doesn't give a f*ck about the hobby it destroyed
It didn't destroy it, last I checked. This is nothing a proper retail queueing system can't solve.
 
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Time will tell if this is good decision making or not. Yellen may decide to tax BTC used in business transactions or exchanges, if she feels it threatens fiat and therefore government sovereignty, I could see a scenario where Yellen places 40%+ tax rates on any exchange made with BTC, time will tell if government embraces it or not, but my hunch is not. Being able to print, negotiate with it in trade deals, etc is too powerful an asset for government to simply give it up. Cryptocurrency does undermine Fiat, and once Yellen realizes that, it will be banned everywhere or taxed to death.

governments are caught in a money printing trap they cant get out of... fiat currencies are being debased into nothingness.. the bottom line being they have lost control of the situation.. they have to keep printing.. they have no other way..

none of this has a good ending but the likes of yellen can no longer do much about it..

bitcoin is on its way to the moon.. good or bad i really dont know but times they are a changing.. apple will be the next big bitcoin buyer.. after that there is no stopping it..

bitcoin is now at 47K and rising..

trog
 
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