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Creative X-Fi Soundcards and Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709 = Complete Disaster / Not Working

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Hi i need some help. I am also suffering this bug that when installing Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709 + Creative X-Fi Titanium sound card it goes into oblivion of black screens crash , bsod and system is unresponsive. When installing a fresh / new installation from my usb thumb drive of the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709 i get some weird black screen crash and system becomes unresponsive after installing the latest drivers from the creative website or Daniel K package for my Creative X-Fi Titanium pci-express sound card. After installation of the fresh OS i noticed it detects my X-Fi Titanium as a high definition audio device under device manager sound and not as an X-Fi sound card as previously on Windows 10 Creators Update 1703.

With Windows 10 Creators Update 1703 everything runs perfectly without a single problem with my Creative X-Fi Titanium , the problem started with the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709 , so the culprit of the problems is the Creative drivers and W10 Fall CU 1709 , as something has change in the way it detects audio devices and the drivers.

I have wrote to microsoft support for help and on the feedback hub from within windows but without luck so far :/ , this is frustrating as everything was working so good and great before the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709. I have search the whole web for a week for a fix but i have not been unable to find one. As some other people who have posted here on this thread i also am running an AMD AM4 x370 / Ryzen set up.

If someone has found a fix for this huge problem please reply to me if possible so that i can use my Creative X-Fi soundcard again ( I'm Using Realtek Onboard sound and it is horrible , me do not like it ). Please help.

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Here is a link for this same problem reported at Microsoft support and on Creative Support website:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...-install/7bb6f8ca-efb2-4802-8bec-6bcf7ada849a

http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=742065

Kind Regards: Chispy
 
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So what I didn't see was whether you checked to see if the X-Fi drivers on the Creative website have been updated yet. It's really not Microsoft's problem, it is Creative's.

If not, you'll need to go with motherboard sound, or upgrade to a SB-Z, since the Z is working under Fall Creator's Ipdate, or to the new X. Or wait, and hope Creative updates.

EDIT: It looks like last driver update for Titanium was 24 Jan, 2016, which barely made it to operable period with anniversary Update.
 
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You can rollback to before the update/prevent windows from auto updating.


As far as realtek sound it is actually good once you manually adjust the EQ to your liking.
 
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That's completely distaster when Windows start to update drivers. You have option to disable Driver updates in Windows 10 newer updates.
Nice because I saw this, now I will not update on 1709 I don't want mess with SBZxR.
I can't look for solution for their halucinations and decisions to Windows install what you want.
 
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I have the same sound card. Don't have any issues with it under Fall Creators update. I am using Daniel K.'s drivers as well.

Something must have gone wrong during the update process. You should see if the issue persists on a clean install of windows.

Also, please post your PC specs.
 
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Please don't screw with your text. Leave it with the default colour and font. I had to highlight it in order to be able to read the text.
 
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Please don't screw with your text. Leave it with the default colour and font. I had to highlight it in order to be able to read the text.
Sorry about that , it was a copy and paste i did from another website while looking for help , i fixed it already.

Do you have any help or advice for me , any help will be highly appreciate it.

Kind regards: Chispy
 
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I have the same sound card. Don't have any issues with it under Fall Creators update. I am using Daniel K.'s drivers as well.

Something must have gone wrong during the update process. You should see if the issue persists on a clean install of windows.

Also, please post your PC specs.
Thank you for the feedback. This are my PC specifications:

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Thank you for the feedback and trying to help me guys. I will see what i can do to make it work :/ if possible.
The fall creators update is known to have a variety of bugs Even for computers with standard or basic hardware, that factor is only going to increase with specialized or less than common components. just roll back. Im sure it will get resolved in time. FCU doesnt add anything worth writing home about anyway
 

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Any Windows update breaks my Creative sound drivers. Best way for me is to disable it via group policy:

  1. Go to Run –> gpedit.msc
  2. In the Group Policy Editor, go to Computer Configuration –> Administrative Templates –> System –> Device Installation –> Device Installation Restrictions
  3. In the right hand pane, select “Prevent installation of devices not described by other policy settings” and set it to Enabled.
Once that's done, uninstall the driver Windows put in there and install the correct one.
 
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Any Windows update breaks my Creative sound drivers. Best way for me is to disable it via group policy:

  1. Go to Run –> gpedit.msc
  2. In the Group Policy Editor, go to Computer Configuration –> Administrative Templates –> System –> Device Installation –> Device Installation Restrictions
  3. In the right hand pane, select “Prevent installation of devices not described by other policy settings” and set it to Enabled.
Once that's done, uninstall the driver Windows put in there and install the correct one.

Thank you for trying to help , i did tried your suggestion but it did not work :/ , nothing seems to make it work on Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 1709. In the meantime i have bought a new SoundBlasterX AE-5 and it did installed flawlessly , no problems whatsoever. it is up to Creative ( drivers ) and Microsoft ( bug fix ) to fix this huge bugs with Audio.

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@chispy How does the AE-5 compare to the X-fi Titanium ?
Like as good or equal to.
 
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Do you like Sound Blaster X AE-5?
Looks like its' best sound card for now.

But because SBZxR look far better and probably sound difference is small I will stay on SBZxR.
SBZxR still cost 100$ more.
 
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@chispy How does the AE-5 compare to the X-fi Titanium ?
Like as good or equal to.

Do you like Sound Blaster X AE-5?
Looks like its' best sound card for now.

But because SBZxR look far better and probably sound difference is small I will stay on SBZxR.
SBZxR still cost 100$ more.


After spending quite some time fiddling with the settings on the dashboard ( equalizer and other settings ) i have finally made it sound better than my old X-Fi Titanium on games / movies / music , thru my 5.1 speaker system. Definitely it does sound better than my old ( 7+ years old ) X-Fi Titanium :) , i'm very pleased with the sounds and in my opinion it was a worth it upgrade.
 
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Even though you've resolved the issue with a new sound card, there are some people who will read through this thread looking to resolve the same issue.
It's worthy of note for those who have and wish to continue using their XFi cards that DanielK's current custom driver offerings are working without flaw on the newest update of Win10. Out of curiosity I tested it personally with my XFi card. No problems at all.

Those drivers are found here; https://danielkawakami.blogspot.com/

@chispy
Don't throw that card away. Keep it as a spare or give it to someone who might enjoy using it.
 
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Even though you've resolved the issue with a new sound card, there are some people who will read through this thread looking to resolve the same issue.
It's worthy of note for those who have and wish to continue using their XFi cards that DanielK's current custom driver offerings are working without flaw on the newest update of Win10. Out of curiosity I tested it personally with my XFi card. No problems at all.

Those drivers are found here; https://danielkawakami.blogspot.com/

@chispy
Don't throw that card away. Keep it as a spare or give it to someone who might enjoy using it.
Yeah with Dan.K (lol dank drivers) I have tested xp,7,8.1 and 10.Only 1 driver and it works on all those OS.
Funnily enough I got an x-fi titanium pcie earlier today. Been using pci extreme music previously on old system.
Still amazing cards the x-fi.
 
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The Audigy cards are still very useful as well and fully functional thanks to DanielK. I still use an Audigy2 on Win7 in an older Dell system. Tried Win10 out on the same system, it worked perfectly. I kinda wish DanielK would do a Patreon so we who are grateful for all his hard work over the years could show him some love.
 
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Sounds like any X-Fi when it dies. It could a bad supply cap...

I had them a lot, and it is like that usually.
 
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30/70.

Mine usually had a bad X-Fi controller itself. The caps are bad, the card is usually so hot so with time many issues develop. I've using my second ZxR already too.

PCB is actually fragile, melt with Pb containing solder to lower the melting point, then remove the cap.
 
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I didn't expect it, but Creative = still Destructive after 20 years of wasting time and money of customers, despite DanielK.
 

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I didn't expect it, but Creative = still Destructive after 20 years of wasting time and money of customers, despite DanielK.
Huh? You know most, including in this thread don't have that experience? Was it supposed to be helpful?
 
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Dunno, after what I read here, but I have a Recon3D, which is not new, to say the least. No problems so far with Creator's update. I will have in mind the suggestion here though, if something arises.
 
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@rtwjunkie
Had 5 different creative cards, all failed with the left channel having less output when below 1/5-1/4 of total volume.
Crackling noise on 2 when changing volume.

Not even talking about their driver support
(no, Daniels drivers dont count).

Unless its a card above 100$, i wont get anything from creative anymore.
the asus xonar dgx/dx are cheaper, and most the time will also sound better...