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p_o_s_pc

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yup my sstone ... it has a weak cpu rail.

fine for dual but weak for quad
:( that sucks.. My silverstone was amazing for dual and Quads... But sadly its dead now. Not sure if it is the boards falut or the PSUs

CP when did you say you could send the board? Sorry bro i forgot when you said
 

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:( that sucks.. My silverstone was amazing for dual and Quads... But sadly its dead now. Not sure if it is the boards falut or the PSUs

CP when did you say you could send the board? Sorry bro i forgot when you said
I think he said later this week :toast::toast:
 

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I have a surplus of DVI->VGA adapters, IDE ribbon cables, SATA cables, and FDD ribbon cables that I can send to any cruncher/folder who needs them. Also have Molex to PCIe cables available. :toast:
 
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GreaseMonkey is sending me a VGA cable. As a result, expect my E2200 to come online for a few days before it is moved to its new home.

I have a surplus of DVI->VGA adapters, IDE ribbon cables, SATA cables, and FDD ribbon cables that I can send to any cruncher/folder who needs them.
updating the list :toast: Thanks bro.
 

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I need a few things after i get my Xmas money but you can put me on the list now so i can start getting some offers

any AM2 mobo
quality PSU that can run 2 8800GT's 600w or higher
quality 400w or higher PSU that can run a 8800GTS
any HDD IDE or SATA (needed to install windows and Boinc)

I need all of it as cheap as possible. Thanks guys
 

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Depending on what happens after Christmas, T, I might be able to help out on mobo and hdd.
 

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Depending on what happens after Christmas, T, I might be able to help out on mobo and hdd.
i dont need anything fancy on the mobo as it would only be running a X2 4200+ and some video card. Are you going to replace the Silverstone PSU? also what hdd... better yet. YGPM
 

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Tim, you are up on that list :toast:
 

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Anytime, I might have an HDD for you then. I'll see what I can do. Of Course if it comes from me, it's free of charge, even shipping :toast:
 

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Anytime, I might have an HDD for you then. I'll see what I can do. Of Course if it comes from me, it's free of charge, even shipping :toast:
you are being a great help. Thanks bro :toast:
 

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you had better luck than me:eek:
 

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well CP i have 4gigs Gskill DDR2 PC 6400 ram for sale that id let go for cheaper then my current asking price for a dedicated cruncher or folder as its BNIB with UN broken seals
 

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I'll put up your offer on the list when I get home dude :toast:
 

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alright cool im trying to earn back some money for my vacation which is getting less and less likely so come on ppl :toast: buy my ram to help fund my getaway
 

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CP i don't need a 600w or higher PSU anymore my step mom is going to give me the money to buy the Seasonic S12D 850 or any other PSU i want for $140 or less :p
So that can be taken off

but i still need the 400+w,HDD and the AM2 board. :toast:

if my post confused you just PM me and i will clear it up for you :toast:
 
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CP i don't need a 600w or higher PSU anymore my step mom is going to give me the money to buy the Seasonic S12D 850 or any other PSU i want for $140 or less :p
So that can be taken off

but i still need the 400+w,HDD and the AM2 board. :toast:

if my post confused you just PM me and i will clear it up for you :toast:
did the relatives trick again?:D works good,eh?
 

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did the relatives trick again?:D works good,eh?
i told my dad and he told her so i'm getting a prepaid visa card for xmas ontop of the other stuff i am getting(idk what else i am getting)
 
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i told my dad and he told her so i'm getting a prepaid visa card for xmas ontop of the other stuff i am getting(idk what else i am getting)
nah, i wont get so much. but i got a 200euro Florida-Q9550 "pre-christmas", and i will receive a 23" LG Flatron on Christmas. i will buy me a 240 after christmas, and a tuned P90 S-AEG is already ordered;) (for you Americans these are Toys, but here in Germany, its in the upper shelf of weaponry, for normal civillians)
i will have a huntdown on some of my buddies on new years eve ;)

nah, its alright this will be enough fun. if i receive exactly these items, i will be lucky :D
 

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CP i don't need a 600w or higher PSU anymore my step mom is going to give me the money to buy the Seasonic S12D 850 or any other PSU i want for $140 or less :p
So that can be taken off

but i still need the 400+w,HDD and the AM2 board. :toast:

if my post confused you just PM me and i will clear it up for you :toast:
Gotcha, will update now, :toast:
 

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well depends on how long you want to wait ill have a full rig and another mobo eventually that i wont need (m2n32sli deluxe wifi ) and an M3A something or other
 
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CP, i have a Request!
i need any lga775 board, that can oc decently, and will support a 45nm e5200:)
i have a complete set of hardware. and an amd board. doh!:laugh:
the request for the amd proc is still open and unanswered... if i get it, i may be able to add two crunchers for the new year;)
 

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well depends on how long you want to wait ill have a full rig and another mobo eventually that i wont need (m2n32sli deluxe wifi ) and an M3A something or other
i can wait about a week or so but i want to get it running as soon after xmas as i can