Crysis 2 Maxing Out PS3

MatTheCat · Jul 30, 2009

1Kurgan1 said:
But when the fps is capped at 30, and those consoles most likely can push more than that most of the time, they really have a large buffer of fps to drop to cause a laggy situation. So when their fps remains constant, it's seen as fine. Where as 60fps to 30fps in the blink of an eye is not.

I still disagree with that. I see these games run on consoles and one of the most striking things (other than the toned down textures and effects) is the jittery frames. SPORE on PC was capped at only 30FPS and that used to drive me knuts although it was still perfectly playable.

CDdude55 · Jul 30, 2009

Consoles definitely don't stutter as much as PC can. PC can be a slideshow at times depending on the game or program at hand.

30 FPS is enough for me, as it can get hard to see a significant difference in going for 30 to 60 frames.

Chryonn · Jul 30, 2009

getting back on topic, it's unsurprising that Crysis 2 does indeed max out the "current" gen consoles.
when Crysis came out it brought all our PCs to their knees. Crytek are building up a reputation for pushing the boundaries of gaming.

CDdude55 · Jul 30, 2009

Well Cryengine 3 isn't much different from 2 from what i know of. So it should run fine hopefully.

Obviously if you want it to look the best possible, you should get it for PC, but it will come at a price as you wallet may be empty just trying to run it at everything turned up.

MatTheCat · Jul 30, 2009

CDdude55 said:
Consoles definitely don't stutter as much as PC can. PC can be a slideshow at times depending on the game or program at hand.

30 FPS is enough for me, as it can get hard to see a significant difference in going for 30 to 60 frames.

When you upgrade that graphics card you may have a very different opinion from that.

PC's running games with settings the rig cannot handle well will stutter more than consoles.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2009

1Kurgan1 said:
25 - 30 fps is perceived fine by the eyes, 60fps is epeen numbers

the human eye can see over 200 FPS. it all comes down to how good your brain is at processing the images, as to how much you can actually 'see'.

There was an airforce test conducted where they would have a projector showing a blank screen, and one frame in 200 would flash up as an aircraft - not only could they see it, they could identify it.

The 25-30FPS thing is the MINIMUM that it takes for the human eye to see it as a solid image, and not a flickery mess - its not the maximum by a long shot.

If 30 frames per second was all we needed, why do CRT's look like arse at less than 60Hz (refreshes per second) to everyone, and some people cant stand below 72, 75, or 85? It differs per person.

CDdude55 · Jul 30, 2009

MatTheCat said:
When you upgrade that graphics card you may have a very different opinion from that.

PC's running games with settings the rig cannot handle well will stutter more than consoles.

Which in turns makes the visuals look no more or less like a Console game, unless you drop some monies.

newtekie1 · Jul 30, 2009

The more I think about it, why is this surprising? GTA:IV maxed out the PS3, obviously, otherwise Rockstar wouldn't have used such low settings for the PS3(and Xbox360) version compared to what the engine was really capable of...

CDdude55 said:
Which in turns makes the visuals look no more or less like a Console game, unless you drop some monies.

Kursah · Jul 30, 2009

I'm sure it'll be another blockbuster hit on PS3/Xbox360/PC, I didn't much care for the original after a couple hours or so...after the ooo...look at the pretty eye candy got old, didn't try the 2nd one yet..I'll pick it up in the bargain bin eventually. But many people loved the first two, and I hope Crytek improves their optimizations on a per-platform basis.

And who really cares what FPS the damn game gets? If you're happy with the performance that your rig or console puts out on the screen and are capable of playing and ENJOYING the game? Then who cares who's specifically right for what purpose beyond your own? If you're happy with what you're running at the settings it runs at, that doesn't necessarily mean that'll work for someone else or that someone else needs those kinds of settings to enjoy the game. At least that's how I look at it...if my rig won't play games to how I like them I'll upgrade, till then turn it down till it runs how I like it...as long as I get 30FPS I'm generally quite happy, anything above that tbh for ME is just a bonus.

:toast:

Frick · Jul 30, 2009

Mussels said:
crysis was terrible optimised. end story.

Am I the only one not thinking that? My e4300, 1GB of ram and the x1950pro performed excellent in the beta (mixed medium/high). I couldn't do anything on very high, but I didn't expect that either.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2009

Frick said:
Am I the only one not thinking that? My e4300, 1GB of ram and the x1950pro performed excellent in the beta (mixed medium/high). I couldn't do anything on very high, but I didn't expect that either.

it fine on low to medium at 30-40 FPS. Thing is, you could add 10x more power behind it, and you'd still end up with similar performance. the games performance did not scale well, with better hardware behind it.

1Kurgan1 · Jul 30, 2009

zaqwsx said:
Also the fact that I can’t afford a console even though my pc is pretty expansive but in a few years I can upgrade my graphics card for way less than a whole console and not lose anything and sell off my old card. All I can say is there is ups and downs for pc’s and consoles.

As it sits right now, 3870's and 3850's used are about $50 a pop. I bought my 4870x2 7 months ago for $525 and I tried selling it here about 2 months ago for $250 and didn't have any luck. PC hardware holds crap for value, in a few years 3870's will be pop coasters. And if you buy a top of the line card it will cost more than a console, like my 4870x2 did (ouchies).

Mussels said:
the human eye can see over 200 FPS. it all comes down to how good your brain is at processing the images, as to how much you can actually 'see'.

There was an airforce test conducted where they would have a projector showing a blank screen, and one frame in 200 would flash up as an aircraft - not only could they see it, they could identify it.

The 25-30FPS thing is the MINIMUM that it takes for the human eye to see it as a solid image, and not a flickery mess - its not the maximum by a long shot.

If 30 frames per second was all we needed, why do CRT's look like arse at less than 60Hz (refreshes per second) to everyone, and some people cant stand below 72, 75, or 85? It differs per person.

I'm not saying it doesn't differ for each person, and not really saying that you can't see more. Guess I was being a bit extreme, but I know of that test, I thought they could actually see up to 300fps. But the minimal reaction time from that extra fps is negligible, maybe a milli second or so. And 30fps should still not look choppy to just about anyone, regardless if they are able to react to things faster. I actually have issues with high fps making me sick. For some reason I start catching frames and noticing things past and it kills my eyes, then I have to play my console or lay down for a bit, kind of sucks.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2009

1,000 milliseconds to the second.

at 60FPS, you get roughly one frame per 16ms (this is where the "under 16ms = gaming screen" in LCD response times)

You can do some basic math on that, at 120FPS (on a 120Hz screen) you're getting one frame every 8ms - since i have a 2ms screen, it makes me think you're a little out on your assumptions

Ammugonevil · Jul 30, 2009

dont worry about frame rate as long as your not staggering your good to go... gameplay in the end is all that matters...

Nick259 · Jul 30, 2009

Frick said:
Am I the only one not thinking that? My e4300, 1GB of ram and the x1950pro performed excellent in the beta (mixed medium/high). I couldn't do anything on very high, but I didn't expect that either.

I agree with you. Didn't run too well with my 4200x2 and x1950pro at 1440x900 that i used on release date (had to run medium/low) but even then it was one of the best looking games out there. Upgraded to my 8800gt and ran on high settings and it looked great

Best looking game out there and I was getting 25-30fps

I then upgraded to my GTX260 and I couldn't play very high over 25fps, but i'm running the extreme quality ultra high config by Jrob and it's running over 30fps most of the time

I do agree that very high settings is unoptimised but high settings and below is deffo optimised.

Anyway, crysis 2 will of course look much better on the PC but it still looks good on consoles (apart from the draw distance)

TheMailMan78 · Jul 30, 2009

1Kurgan1 said:
I know those are both cross platform, thats why I mentioned them. But are they console ports, I don't think they are, consoles usually are just missing that "pop" to make a great game that the original version of it has. Either way, when your playing at 1080p, AA is meh. I don't notice any diff with AA until I go into low resolutions. And theres the other issue, were you playing with your 4200+ and x1900GT at 1920x1080? That would drop that setup down quiet a few notches, can't compare that res with 1280x1024.

Well true I was only playing at 1680x1050 but everything was maxed out. However if I ran it at console settings it would have devoured 1920x1080. Console settings equal no AA, low resolution textures and low draw distance. I wont argue consoles were a good bang for the buck when they were released but now they are way over priced for what they are capable of.

Anyway Its not that console are so well optimized that they can hang with a modern gaming rig. Its because developers are not using the modern gaming rig to its fullest ability because they are catering to the consoles now and their lesser power.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 30, 2009

Any game developed to "max out" the platform has the wrong goal in mind.

As proof this, Crysis does not appear on this page, at all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

The best selling game (not bundled) of all time was Wii Play. No game that was the most visually stunning ever topped the sales charts. If that isn't a sign of how unimportant "maxing" a platform out is, I don't know what the sign would be.

SupyDip · Jul 30, 2009

My view

Look guys whats all this talk about 60fps is acceptable but 30fps isn't?

so what your saying is ps3 don't run at 60fps?

WRONG i pulled my cod4 game save file from my ps3 took it to my pc,
entered

set cg_DrawFPS 1 into the save file through word pad,

Went back to ps3 uninstalled the game up date went on the game and BINGO FPS displayed 60fps

The only game i know of that is coming out that will be at 30fps is M.A.G - So i wont be getting it xD

Any BTW you can play with keyboard and mouse on console on ANYGAME xD
(downside is you still need a pc/laptop to do so xD)

We all wiNorZ who cares share the :love:

TheMailMan78 · Jul 30, 2009

FordGT90Concept said:
Any game developed to "max out" the platform has the wrong goal in mind.

As proof this, Crysis does not appear on this page, at all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

The best selling game (not bundled) of all time was Wii Play. No game that was the most visually stunning ever topped the sales charts. If that isn't a sign of how unimportant "maxing" a platform out is, I don't know what the sign would be.

Well in Crysis defense it didnt come with a free controller to the fastest selling platform in history ether which happen to only have one remote.

Mussels · Jul 30, 2009

SupyDip said:
Look guys whats all this talk about 60fps is acceptable but 30fps isn't?

so what your saying is ps3 don't run at 60fps?

WRONG i pulled my cod4 game save file from my ps3 took it to my pc,
entered

set cg_DrawFPS 1 into the save file through word pad,

Went back to ps3 uninstalled the game up date went on the game and BINGO FPS displayed 60fps

The only game i know of that is coming out that will be at 30fps is M.A.G - So i wont be getting it xD

Any BTW you can play with keyboard and mouse on console on ANYGAME xD
(downside is you still need a pc/laptop to do so xD)

We all wiNorZ who cares share the

try it with a game which actually requires graphical power to run it.

SupyDip · Jul 30, 2009

My pc runs at 250fps on cod4 xD wInoRz alienware FTW

And no i dont have AA on because at high res i cant tell the dif ;/

TheMailMan78 · Jul 30, 2009

SupyDip said:
My pc runs at 250fps on cod4 xD wInoRz alienware FTW

And no i dont have AA on because at high res i cant tell the dif ;/

You bought an Alienware?

SupyDip · Jul 30, 2009

Yes go on rip into me for being an idiiot...

Reasons:

I dont know much about hardware :S

I dont trust my local pc hardware shop to build me a rig,

Yes i probs got ripped But i can run games with n/p so i dont care

TheMailMan78 · Jul 30, 2009

SupyDip said:
Yes go on rip into me for being an idiiot...

Reasons:

I dont know much about hardware :S

I dont trust my local pc hardware shop to build me a rig,

Yes i probs got ripped But i can run games with n/p so i dont care

Na we all make mistakes. If you hang around here long enough we will help you repent that mistake. :toast:

Welcome to TPU. We will show you the way.

Triprift · Jul 30, 2009

Dont worry TheMailMans just jelous lol.

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