Decision to buy a GPU (2070/2080)

[Vya Domus]

Get a 1080ti.

As far as RTX goes, let's just say 1080p60 wont make a great pair with your 1440p144 monitor. Let's not kid ourselves, RTX is unusable at higher resolution or frame rates.

 

[bug]

To sum this up, the OP does his research and ask for help to pick between RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 cards. He also adds he already sold his GTX 1070 and does not buy used cards. We, as a helpful and insightful community offer him the following options:
1. 2080 Ti
2. 2070
3. used 1080 Ti
4. 1080 Ti
5. 2080
6. just wait for unspecified bugs to be fixed

If I were a noob, I'd totally come back here for further advice

Which is not to say that there's no truth to some of the options. But really, why are we so quick to discard OP's wishes? Especially since he did his research and narrowed things down for us before asking for advice.

 

[warriorunited]

@bug Thanks a lot for the comprehension of my side!

I read all others opinions and i believe some are truth specially when you say that these new cards are not a good value (everyone knows that already, you can stop saying it), but i love new tech (and i believe that these new GPU tech are going to be great in some time), i love to swap my hardware just because i want/can, but i'm trying to find the best solution for me in these new cards.

Just to conclude, i've sold my GTX 1070 without warranty for 250€, wich makes the RTX 2070 for 419€ and RTX 2080 for 649€, is this still such a bad value? I don't think so, because i believe that people do not think than many of us sell the previous GPU's to make the newer one cheaper, that's why i swap GPU every year.

Final toughts guys please, i have a few hours to make my final decision

 

[FreedomEclipse]

@bug Thanks a lot for the comprehension of my side!

I read all others opinions and i believe some are truth specially when you say that these new cards are not a good value (everyone knows that already, you can stop saying it), but i love new tech (and i believe that these new GPU tech are going to be great in some time), i love to swap my hardware just because i want/can, but i'm trying to find the best solution for me in these new cards.

Just to conclude, i've sold my GTX 1070 without warranty for 250€, wich makes the RTX 2070 for 419€ and RTX 2080 for 649€, is this still such a bad value? I don't think so, because i believe that people do not think than many of us sell the previous GPU's to make the newer one cheaper, that's why i swap GPU every year.

Final toughts guys please, i have a few hours to make my final decision

If you are a serious gamer then 2080. If not than 2070 --- because this current generation is really not worth buying. if youre running a big rez and refresh rate monitor than get the 2080. for 1440p@60fps then the 2070 is plenty for now. It will give you a boost over your old 1070

 

[Outback Bronze]

My decision would be the 2070. Its not too far off the 2080 for the price.

In the end we cannot make the decision for you.

Good luck.

 

[JorgeRod]

Just change from Asus Strix 1070 OC to a MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X Trio no regrets.
And yes it is expensive but I want it so...
Go to 2080 ou 2080ti if you have the money.

 

[Vayra86]

@bug Thanks a lot for the comprehension of my side!

I read all others opinions and i believe some are truth specially when you say that these new cards are not a good value (everyone knows that already, you can stop saying it), but i love new tech (and i believe that these new GPU tech are going to be great in some time), i love to swap my hardware just because i want/can, but i'm trying to find the best solution for me in these new cards.

Just to conclude, i've sold my GTX 1070 without warranty for 250€, wich makes the RTX 2070 for 419€ and RTX 2080 for 649€, is this still such a bad value? I don't think so, because i believe that people do not think than many of us sell the previous GPU's to make the newer one cheaper, that's why i swap GPU every year.

Final toughts guys please, i have a few hours to make my final decision

Completely understand your POV and not wanting to 'trade within the same gen'. Its just that Turing is an exception to the rule in every way. I do GPU upgrades just like yourself, actually, always trying to 'trade up' to something new. But not this time...

If it must be a new tech card, get the cheaper option, so you can 'have a taste' and not feel gutted when it doesn't really turn out to be much after all. The practical difference between RTX capability of a 2070 and 2080 is very small, so not worth the additional investment, and the price gap doesn't justify the performance gap in any other way.

RTX 2070. Its the 'best' value / perf/dollar of the RTX line if you exclude everything else.

To sum this up, the OP does his research and ask for help to pick between RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 cards. He also adds he already sold his GTX 1070 and does not buy used cards. We, as a helpful and insightful community offer his the following options:
1. 2080 Ti
2. 2070
3. used 1080 Ti
4. 1080 Ti
5. 2080
6. just wait for unspecified bugs to be fixed

If I were a noob, I'd totally come back here for further advice

Which is not to say that there's no truth to some of the options. But really, why are we so quick to discard OP's wishes? Especially since he did his research and narrowed things down for us before asking for advice.

It's still asking for advice. We get countless topics with completely silly choices and our advice is more often than not a different alternative. Why? Because we aren't emotionally invested. The OP is: the reasons for getting the newest gen are 100% emotional and not practical. 'I want it because its new' is hardly a good starting point. Nobody is telling him he can't buy RTX, but we would be lying if we all said it was a good buy.

 

[bug]

It's still asking for advice. We get countless topics with completely silly choices and our advice is more often than not a different alternative. Why? Because we aren't emotionally invested. The OP is: the reasons for getting the newest gen are 100% emotional and not practical. 'I want it because its new' is hardly a good starting point.

If you ask me, upgrading from one generation to the next doesn't make sense to begin with. But the OP is not a noob, he knows what he wants so why assume we know better? On top of that, the only real argument against Turing is price and he already said he's ok with that. So why insist on recommending he stays away from Turing?

 

[Vayra86]

If you ask me, upgrading from one generation to the next doesn't make sense to begin with. But the OP is not a noob, he knows what he wants so why assume we know better? On top of that, the only real argument against Turing is price and he already said he's ok with that. So why insist on recommending he stays away from Turing?

Because the resale value on it will suck too, because RTX adds a premium but does not net extra performance. He is selling his cards off when he upgrades, so price obviously does matter. Being OK with a price is not the same as 'money is no object'. At the same time, he is upgrading within the absolute perf range of Pascal (!) so that eliminates the 'I need more perf' argument as well.

The only thing that is left, is RTX features at a hefty premium that you'll never see again when selling it off.

 

[JalleR]

What kind of junk is this? First google hit? You don't even know what you're looking at here.

Here's a decent one, making it easy to see why 1080ti is the go-to.

It is test of the Specific model card that OP wants.
Junk, hmmm WHY,, it is charts that show how many FPS a card can deliver, how is that junk.?

And how is the 1080ti the go-to when it costs the same as a 2080 in OP/and my country ????????????

 

[Vayra86]

It is test of the Specific model card that OP wants.
Junk, hmmm WHY,, it is charts that show how many FPS a card can deliver, how is that junk.?

And how is the 1080ti the go-to when it costs the same as a 2080 in OP/and my country ????????????

- Because its a completely unreliable source.
- Because you cannot check testing conditions (or rather, anything other than bar charts with numbers)
- Because the benchmarks you linked are extremely limited in scope (shooters only)
- Because Far Cry 5 is one of the outliers that got a major boost going from Pascal > Turing, but is not consistent with averages

I could go on, but surely you get it now.

As for the price argument, sure, if price is equal and perf is higher, its a nobrainer. In most countries however it is not like that.

 

[cucker tarlson]

The OP is: the reasons for getting the newest gen are 100% emotional and not practical. 'I want it because its new' is hardly a good starting point.

No one really buys enthusiast level pc parts cause they need them or from any practical point of view,it's all about wanting something that you like for your own pleasure,or as you quite wrongly put it,"emotional" reasons. And he's got a gtx 1070 on a 1440p 144hz display,that is a good friggin starting point cause it's a1440p/60 card.
I love how people like to treat buying some components as a childish whim but somehow what they chose was a pratcical investment give me a break, they're all toys and it's all a whim,unless you need that gpu power for work.

Reason why ppl suggest 1080Ti is it's still noticeably faster than 2070 and nipping at 2080's heels while if you buy a used one you'll actually pay less than this 2070 gaming z that you want. That's why I suggested 2070 armor. Frankly, instead of throwing away 100 bucks on a flashy cooler just spend another 100 to get 2080 duke, it's the best bang for the buck 2080 there is and frankly it looks better than the new gaming trio.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

I would buy a used 1080 ti and save a hell of a lot of cash but that's just me. 2080ti costs way too much for the same performance

I second this.

RTX is priced terribly right now. A GTX 1080ti will save you a lot of money, especially if all you want to do is game at 2k. Hell, you can even buy a brand new GTX 1080ti and still probably save money.

I have a Vega 64 and it does phenomenally at 1440p- a GTX 1080ti would be even better, but I wanted some hardware uniformity between my CPU and GPU.

 

[ppn]

Wait until VEGA20 hits the market. Consumer card is 1 month after the Pro. We don't know what the reasonable price is yet, might be that 799 euro buys you a custom 2080Ti in a few months from now. Im stuck with GT 1030 and 4K display until I see 7 or 8nm card sometimes in 2019, works just fine.

 

[bug]

Wait until VEGA20 hits the market. Consumer card is 1 month after the Pro. We don't know what the reasonable price is yet, might be that 799 euro buys you a custom 2080Ti in a few months from now. Im stuck with GT 1030 and 4K display until I see 7 or 8nm card sometimes in 2019, works just fine.

Vega 20 isn't for gamers.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Consumer card is 1 month after the Pro.

where are you getting this information ?

Wait until VEGA20 hits the market. Consumer card is 1 month after the Pro. We don't know what the reasonable price is yet, might be that 799 euro buys you a custom 2080Ti in a few months from now. Im stuck with GT 1030 and 4K display until I see 7 or 8nm card sometimes in 2019, works just fine.

what monitor did you end up buying eventually ?

 

[trog100]

the 980 wasnt good value for money.. the 1080 isnt and nether is the 2080..

you ether go for the budget 2070 version because relatively speaking its by far the best value for money or say f-ck it and go for the 2080 TI version because its the best.. good value for money dosnt apply with the top end version..

trog

 

[Fluffmeister]

Vega 20 isn't for gamers.

Heh, he needs a card NOW too, not some super late GV100 competitor.

Maybe he can wait a year for Navi!

Add that to your shit advice from TPU list.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@warriorunited
I have a 2080 and love it, so it's got my vote. It's a big step up from the 1080 I used before. This is supported by the graph Vayra86 showed earlier. It's a good card if you can afford it. But even the 2070 would be a big step up from the 1070. You'll get an improvement with any of the current RTX cards so the only question is, do you want to afford a 2070 or 2080?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hello Everyone.

So, i really need help on this because i can't decide.. lol.

I really need to BUY A NEW (not used or second hand GPU!) graphics card, and i can afford RTX 2070 Gaming Z for 669€ or RTX 2080 Msi Gaming X Trio for 899€, it's the only models that i want, and only ones that i'm interested in.

I play at 1440p 144hz monitor (Dell S2716DG), and i swap my GPU every new generation of Nvidia, but this year i just can't decide between, i'm coming from a GTX 1070, and i usually buy the x70 of all the series, and that's why i think it's more worth to me to spend the money on the RTX 2070 because i will sell it at any point and will serve me well, or get 2080 just because yes and lose more money reselling it on the next gen...

Like i said, I DON'T want used/second hard graphics card, and i'm only interested in those two models, what would you do in my situation?

Best regards.

I won't tell you what I would do, you are who you are buy what you want ,both Are way better than a 1070 so I can't see buyers remorse on the horizon If you have the money spare.

@cucker tarlson I am sure a few of us run more rigs then we have limbs yet they still need, really need that next bit, I've got 5 bits in an ever expanding list I needs ,nvme, monoblock, nuva 360 rad , some fans(/lots) aurasync backlit kit , guys have needs ya know.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

guys have needs ya know.

Theres an app for that.

 

[Turmania]

I dont know the going prices or even availability of the cards in the shelves. But it seems 1080 Ti is a bit faster for less money at least on paper.

 

[Space Lynx]

a 2070 easily OC's to 2k on the core at boost. nets 10 extra fps, bringing it toe to toe with stock 1080 ti in most games at 1440p.

$499 plus DLSS someday will be nice, plus it will have the best driver support I assume in the next 3 years, taking priority over 1xxx series driver support eventually.

 

[warriorunited]

I've been reading all over your opinions and still can't decide lol, but today is the day that i have to buy it (for real!), i really need it.

So, the store has in reservation for me the two models i've spoken at start, and now for some reason i'm more interested in 2080, because i believe it's a more worthy upgrade from my 1070 and since my monitor is a 1440p@144hz would help a lot more than the 2070, the only thing that is blocking me is the frenquency that i change GPU everytime a new gen comes out, and i don't think at all that this cards is worth a single bit of their prices and not sure about their resale value... And again i repeat, 1080ti is at the same price of the 2080 in my country, and i don't buy second hand hardware, so it's not even a consideration.

Would i just say "2070 is fine and enough for this generation and gives you more a less 25/30fps of improvement comparing to 1070" or "F*ck it, more 200€ and i have a great card that is the double of the FPS i get from the 1070" .

3hours to decide now before i get off from work to go to the store

 

[JalleR]

How happy where you with the 1070???
Did you have to set resolution Down i games ore run them at LOW (cr…. looking settings) ?

Do you personally need the settings to be perfect or can 80% resolution /medium settings do it for you in the future?

Because if 1070 was doing the job for you and you can live with 1440p@60hz the 2070 is the card for you.