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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Performance Analysis

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So this is when the narrative starts changing - from GTX 1060 is faster than the RX 480 to the RX 480 has a clear performance advantage in new titles. And it goes without saying the 480 is faster in DX12 and Vulkan as well.

Consider the card has 2GB extra VRAM over the 1060s. Given all these facts, why were the custom 1060s (9.6 to 9.7 scores?!?) so unequivocally recommended over the custom 480s (9.1 to 9.4 scores) by TPU? Don't tell me efficiency.
 
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Dat Bump-Mapping looks faker than Pamela Anderson's tits! :))) lol. Faces also look artificial.... Other than that all good :)))

Anyways, I have a very big feeling that the nVidia drivers are not yet optimal for this game, considering the performance bump the AMD cards have. Therefore most likely nVdia will release some performance drivers for this game sometimes later. Just speculation, but looking at the benches, the nVidia drivers seems to be at a disadvantage here. Especially for the new generation cards...
 
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So this is when the narrative starts changing - from GTX 1060 is faster than the RX 480 to the RX 480 has a clear performance advantage in new titles. And it goes without saying the 480 is faster in DX12 and Vulkan as well.

Consider the card has 2GB extra VRAM over the 1060s. Given all these facts, why were the custom 1060s (9.6 to 9.7 scores?!?) so unequivocally recommended over the custom 480s (9.1 to 9.4 scores) by TPU? Don't tell me efficiency.

Because in the test suite the 1060 outperformed the 480. It's that simple. As the suite changes and includes this game (hopefully) and maybe the one proper Vulkan game of Doom, AMD will score a few more hits but be aware that a test suite of games makes the score relevant, not one or two. And it's funny you say "don't say efficiency" when that was one of the main aims and touted benefits of Polaris (2.5 x efficiency, since amended by AMD to only 2x).

It is remarkable that people such as you feel so hard done by when the overwhelming PC gaming library out there is still DX11 based. Wait till 2017/2018, then we'll have lots of DX12 goodies (and Vega, Zen and Volta). All will be well.
 

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Maybe so but TPU these days is conservative on their game testing approach, other sites do simply a better job in testing both dx11 and modern apis games and therefore show a more balanced picture of the facts.

Modern apis clearly show that rx480 has more performance under its hood than 1060, so comparing efficiency keep that in mind. For me the rx 480 is the clear (future) winner, like the 7970 vs 680 or Hawaii vs gk110 it will probably win soon.
And as nobody should buy cards just for one year it's obvious the rx480 is better - this is just my opinion though. BTW 680 and 780ti are both clearly better in that comparison compared to 1060 - it's just a mediocre gpu or the rx480 is simply too good.
 

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Maybe so but TPU these days is conservative on their game testing approach, other sites do simply a better job in testing both dx11 and modern apis games and therefore show a more balanced picture of the facts.

Modern apis clearly show that rx480 has more performance under its hood than 1060, so comparing efficiency keep that in mind. For me the rx 480 is the clear (future) winner, like the 7970 vs 680 or Hawaii vs gk110 it will probably win soon.
And as nobody should buy cards just for one year it's obvious the rx480 is better - this is just my opinion though. BTW 680 and 780ti are both clearly better in that comparison compared to 1060 - it's just a mediocre gpu or the rx480 is simply too good.

No argument from me. If I were in the market for a mid range upgrade, I'd buy a 8GB RX480. My point was regarding the score and test suite. Particularly, you can't give a card points based on how it will perform next year.
However, if I were to upgrade now from a 980ti, AMD isn't an option. The best card for now, even in DX12 until at least 1st half 2017 is GTX1080 (or Titan X).
 

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Your point is valid, just too many dx11 games in tpu bench suite.

I have a similar problem, I want to upgrade but these 2 Gpus are a sidegrade I don't care about and 1070 is simply too expensive, I'll probably never buy a gpu higher than 350€ as 200-350 always was the sweet spot for semi highend cards. I won't pay a big premium for garbage that didn't make it to gtx 1080. I can wait, prices will go down.
 

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Your point is valid, just too many dx11 games in tpu bench suite.

I have a similar problem, I want to upgrade but these 2 Gpus are a sidegrade I don't care about and 1070 is simply too expensive, I'll probably never buy a gpu higher than 350€ as 200-350 always was the sweet spot for semi highend cards. I won't pay a big premium for garbage that didn't make it to gtx 1080. I can wait, prices will go down.

I know we're way off topic but I had thought given the 980ti price drops (to accommodate) the 1070, AMD might have dropped the Fury X price similarly. Unfortunately not. I was considering a cheaper Fury X as a side grade in a new PC system to ride the initial wave of DX12.
 

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I know we're way off topic but I had thought given the 980ti price drops (to accommodate) the 1070, AMD might have dropped the Fury X price similarly. Unfortunately not. I was considering a cheaper Fury X as a side grade in a new PC system to ride the initial wave of DX12.
Well it's cheap-ish at mindfactory.de ~399 € (XFX). I'd say that's good value.
 
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Your point is valid, just too many dx11 games in tpu bench suite.

I have a similar problem, I want to upgrade but these 2 Gpus are a sidegrade I don't care about and 1070 is simply too expensive, I'll probably never buy a gpu higher than 350€ as 200-350 always was the sweet spot for semi highend cards. I won't pay a big premium for garbage that didn't make it to gtx 1080. I can wait, prices will go down.

I'm kind of in the same boat right now. I simply refuse to pay a premium for Pascal when it is nothing more than Maxwell with higher clocks and lower power use. Fuck that. I want actual, tangible performance increases, and GTX 1070 is going for a similar or even higher price than the still slightly stronger GTX 980ti. Add to that the fact that Pascal AND Maxwell have a weak performance on the newer APIs and my only interest right now is in AMD's upcoming high end. Nvidia is overcharging for 14nm and they know it, anyone contesting that needs a history lesson on price/perf shifts between generations. Meanwhile GTX 1060 will once again be a hamstrung card as we can already see by VRAM ór shader power, and this is also quite close to the norm for a Nvidia x60 release (there's always some shit holding it back too much and you'll feel underpowered within 6 months of release). Where AMD offers a very well rounded RX480, Nvidia offers a rag-tag 1060 tied together with duct tape and a few memory chips with Auto-OC pushing it to its limit out of the box. Noty.

Meanwhile, I've got a 780ti still going pretty strong and more than sufficient for 1080p, even at and above 90-100 fps given some tweaks that hardly impact the visual qualities of the games I play. Most new titles that are big on graphics are 'meh' in terms of gameplay so I'm not too worried waiting abit or tuning settings down for a while.

The marketplace is notoriously unhealthy for anything above the 250-300 dollar mark, and buying into it now is going to be a huge regret later. Already you can see the 1080 which is supposed to be the top dog (I disregard Titan because, well, it's the worst price/perf you can possibly get into) that gets totally SWAMPED in a game like Deus Ex that relies heavier on new API features and a newer engine. The 4K card... and not even a comfortable 30 fps minimum can be extracted from it. There go 700-800 euro's worth of GPU for you. Let's face it. 1080 is a money grab and its a shit card for 4K in the near future. Deus Ex tells us this story and the vast majority of other new API based games support that fact.

It also tells us the Fury X is once again making waves. I might pick up one of those and wait for the real deal sometime next year.

About the bench suite... I don't feel it is hard to draw your own conclusions based on the games/APIs where AMD is stronger and where it is not. It's easy to see and doesn't require a bench suite overhaul. If we let Wizz do all his testing only to have a quick look at some bar charts... I'd hate to see him waste even more effort overhauling the suite. We just need to start reading between the lines, as I do above. Also, the reality is that the vast majority of the gaming market IS STILL DX11 and a bench suite is never meant to be some wishful-thinking projection of our 'future' (we have AMD for that ;) ), but a reflection of the games we play today.
 
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I'd hate to see him waste even more effort overhauling the suite.
Too late, I'm rebenching right now with everything that's new
 

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Where AMD offers a very well rounded RX480, Nvidia offers a rag-tag 1060 tied together with duct tape and a few memory chips with Auto-OC pushing it to its limit out of the box. Noty.
hahaha, very good. I concur with that.
Meanwhile, I've got a 780ti still going pretty strong and more than sufficient for 1080p, even at and above 90-100 fps given some tweaks that hardly impact the visual qualities of the games I play. Most new titles that are big on graphics are 'meh' in terms of gameplay so I'm not too worried waiting abit or tuning settings down for a while.
Welcome to the club!
The marketplace is notoriously unhealthy for anything above the 250-300 dollar mark, and buying into it now is going to be a huge regret later. Already you can see the 1080 which is supposed to be the top dog (I disregard Titan because, well, it's the worst price/perf you can possibly get into) that gets totally SWAMPED in a game like Deus Ex that relies heavier on new API features and a newer engine. The 4K card... and not even a comfortable 30 fps minimum can be extracted from it. There go 700-800 euro's worth of GPU for you. Let's face it. 1080 is a money grab and its a shit card for 4K in the near future. Deus Ex tells us this story and the vast majority of other new API based games support that fact.
Yep, and the GTX 1080, for me at least, is only a advanced 1440p or rather Ultra Wide Gaming Monitor - card (with a tad higher resolution, something almost perfect imo that sits between 1440p and 4K, so it's really good from a performance perspective and also looks very nice) as 4K is a irrelevant resolution for serious gamers (60 hz anyone?). You can go and play consoles too, if you think 60 hz or FPS is nice, basically thats about my opinion, maybe a tad less extreme than that.
It also tells us the Fury X is once again making waves. I might pick up one of those and wait for the real deal sometime next year.
I was thinking about buying the Sapphire Fury Nitro, it's relatively cheap at only 330 €. But then again, I don't want a new (soon bottlenecked) 4 GB card. I think the main reason Fiji flopped is the 4 GB-thing. It was not enough back then, and it's even more not enough now. What a pity, because Fiji really starts to shine now.
Too late, I'm rebenching right now with everything that's new
Wise decision, TPU will profit from that.
 

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Wise decision, TPU will profit from that.
There was never any other decision, it's just logistics. Rebenching takes a long time and several reasons why I couldn't do it earlier.
 
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There was never any other decision, it's just logistics. Rebenching takes a long time and several reasons why I couldn't do it earlier.
Whatever, I'm looking forward seeing the new bench suite.
 

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Run it no issue here lol, good review, course the DX games have been well optimized since the original
 
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wow D: this game is kicking my gtx 1080's ass at ultra 1080p

Weird... I've got everything set to Ultra except MSAA:Off, Shadows on Medium, and Contact Hardening Shadows:Off and I'm generally getting between 50-70fps according to FRAPS and it's very playable (1080p/60Hz). And I've only got a sh!tty EVGA 970 SuperClocked 4GB (ahem, 3.5GB).
 

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Weird... I've got everything set to Ultra except MSAA:Off, Shadows on Medium, and Contact Hardening Shadows:Off and I'm generally getting between 50-70fps according to FRAPS and it's very playable (1080p/60Hz). And I've only got a sh!tty EVGA 970 SuperClocked 4GB (ahem, 3.5GB).

That's not far off from me. It is because Shadows and MSAA are the real frame rate killers.
 
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That's not far off from me. It is because Shadows and MSAA are the real frame rate killers.

God I know, right? And granted MSAA is good, but it's so not worth the absurd performance hit when compared to TXAA or FXAA. I used TXAA 2x and 4x all throughout Crysis 3 and it looked great at 1080p - why in the hell didn't they put that in DX:MD instead of the stupid performance-raping MSAA which cripples even the newest GTX 1080's at higher settings? So dumb. Maybe they'll incorporate more antialiasing settings into the game later, like they did with DX:HR.
 

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God I know, right? And granted MSAA is good, but it's so not worth the absurd performance hit when compared to TXAA or FXAA. I used TXAA 2x and 4x all throughout Crysis 3 and it looked great at 1080p - why in the hell didn't they put that in DX:MD instead of the stupid performance-raping MSAA which cripples even the newest GTX 1080's at higher settings? So dumb. Maybe they'll incorporate more antialiasing settings into the game later, like they did with DX:HR.

Check the box in settings for Temporal AA (no slider, just a checkbox). Very little impact and seems to perform very well. And it looks a lot better than FXAA does.
 
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