Did you get a shiny new Ryzen 3000 CPU?

[TheLostSwede]

That's why I waited for reviews, same thing with 3600X.

Afaik, there's only one 3800X review...

 

[mstenholm]

Afaik, there's only one 3800X review...

All review sites read your comments and decided to stay clear since it would take some hard thinking to explain their disappointing results.

 

[Chomiq]

Afaik, there's only one 3800X review...

GN also reviewed it with "Don't waste your money" in video preview on YT. That makes two with TH.

 

[londiste]

X-processors (3600X and 3800X) seem to be really pointless at this point. I can only hope AMD will get their stuff together and fix whatever is wrong with these.

In my experience and based on some of the reviews, power limit configuration seems to be off. Their 65W brethren do boost up until 88W but 3600X and 3800X will eventually remain at around their TDP instead of 127/142W they could possibly get to. Either that or these CPUs are too heavily binned and are simply unable to boost as far as the spec says.

 

[Calmmo]

It really does look like all the ryzen 3000 CPU's are too similar in performance regardless of binning. Sure some will boost maaaybe 100mhz higher - close to their advertised boost for 0.5 secs under near 0 load.

Perhaps someone reviewing models produced toward the end of this 3000 product lifecycle will notice the different tiered products (x vs non x for example) being by then they noticeably different. Or maybe AMD is just saving all their above average silicon for threadripper/epyc and there isn't enough quality silicon to spare for the lower margin mainstream processors.

 

[Nordic]

I read on reddit today that amd changed their description of what boost clock means, but I couldn't see what changed. If this is true we are beginning to see that amd really isn't going to fix the boost clock.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I read on reddit today that amd changed their description of what boost clock means, but I couldn't see what changed. If this is true we are beginning to see that amd really isn't going to fix the boost clock.

First picture "nominal conditions".

AMD Updates Ryzen Product Pages to Elaborate on "Max Boost Clocks"

AMD over the weekend updated the product-pages of its Ryzen processors on the company website to be very specific about what they mean by "Max Boost Clocks," that are advertised almost as extensively as the processor's main nominal clock-speeds. AMD describes it has "the maximum single-core...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Nordic]

First picture "nominal conditions".

AMD Updates Ryzen Product Pages to Elaborate on "Max Boost Clocks"

AMD over the weekend updated the product-pages of its Ryzen processors on the company website to be very specific about what they mean by "Max Boost Clocks," that are advertised almost as extensively as the processor's main nominal clock-speeds. AMD describes it has "the maximum single-core...

www.techpowerup.com

I don't know how I missed that one. I will go throw my complaints over there.

 

[Space Lynx]

It really does look like all the ryzen 3000 CPU's are too similar in performance regardless of binning. Sure some will boost maaaybe 100mhz higher - close to their advertised boost for 0.5 secs under near 0 load.

Perhaps someone reviewing models produced toward the end of this 3000 product lifecycle will notice the different tiered products (x vs non x for example) by then they actually have noticable differences. Or maybe AMD is just saving all their above average silicon for threadripper/epyc and there isn't enough quality silicon to spare for the lower margin mainstream processors.

as frustrating as all this is guys, please remember to look at benches for 1440p gaming (which is what most of us game at), even when the 9900k beats us it is majority of time only by 5 fps or so. and we have literally 0 security issues and they have tons, more being discovered weekly.

don't know, just keep things in perspective is all I am saying, quite frankly I am too old and too damn busy to be wasting my time finding stable oc's these days, so I am glad to see something PBO and XFR (not sure if those are different or same thing?) just make like easier for me. it was fun in my younger days, but I am glad we have this new tech now. at first i hated the idea of not being able to OC anymore, but it's reminded me that gaming is what I am here for, so its time to go have some damn fun, later everyone

 

[EarthDog]

(which is what most of us game at),

Not even close to most.....go look at steam stats. Last time I checked it was under 5%. 1080p was well over 60%... lesser resolutions more.

 

[Nuckles56]

Not even close to most.....go look at steam stats.

I believe he was referring to us forum dwellers

 

[EarthDog]

I believe he was referring to us forum dwellers

It may be higher, but I would still bet most are on 1080p...

and why would we exclude the millions more outside of here? lol

 

[Space Lynx]

It may be higher, but I would still bet most are on 1080p...

and why would we exclude the millions more outside of here? lol

because 1080p gaming ruins the immersion. I can't stand seeing pixels anymore personally, but I have been 1440p since 2011/2012, so maybe just spoiled I don't know. I tried like hell to go back to 1080p 144hz so I could get higher frames, even the 23.8" models though just ruined the immersion for me, pixels shoved in my face. I feel sorry for them, you should too.

even a game like stardew valley I enjoy more at 1440p then I do on my 1080p, weird I know. just the extra crispness does something to my insides

 

[mstenholm]

I don't know how I missed that one. I will go throw my complaints over there.

You are not the only one and I was online at the time....

 

[EarthDog]

because 1080p gaming ruins the immersion. I can't stand seeing pixels anymore personally, but I have been 1440p since 2011/2012, so maybe just spoiled I don't know. I tried like hell to go back to 1080p 144hz so I could get higher frames, even the 23.8" models though just ruined the immersion for me, pixels shoved in my face. I feel sorry for them, you should too.

even a game like stardew valley I enjoy more at 1440p then I do on my 1080p, weird I know. just the extra crispness does something to my insides

Immersion and what resolution most game at are two completely different subjects in this context... I agree about immersion, but, that wasn't what you said initially ("most are on 1440"). Make sense.

 

[Space Lynx]

Immersion and what resolution most game at are two completely different subjects in this context... I agree about immersion, but, that wasn't what you said initially ("most are on 1440"). Make sense.

Pray for them, pray that their pixel density and refresh rate will increase!!! We must save the Lost Ones.

Sometimes you have to take me with a grain of salt,

 

[-1nf1n1ty-]

Didnt wanna make a thread about this but, someone that has had the first gen ryzen and upgraded or anyone that wants to chime in on this. Is the upgrade worth it? Ive been considering a 3900x or even the the 2920x threadripper. I play lots of games and I use maya to animate mostly, and video edit if I want to make a demo reel. I dont know what route I should go, the prices on the threadrippers look fantastic but I dont know. Any help is appreciated! THANKS!

 

[tabascosauz]

I like having a tidy/clean drive if I can keep it that way. I try to find alternatives to the bloated Microsoft Office, Photoshop even though I have the space.

Funny how one can form habits around the preferences of one's SSD. I find myself falling into that pit all the time. I know that an empty drive is the fastest, so in order to maximize that performance, I frequently remove games that fall even slightly into disuse; as a result, I never actually come close to using most of the space on my drives.

This build marks the debut of NVMe in any of my desktops, as well as the first time I'll have more than 3TB of SSDs to rely on, and the first time I'll regard even empty SATA performance as no longer "fast", so it's less of an issue now. Though I remember my first, a 240GB SSD 530 from five years ago - LSI Sandforce really did not like a full drive.

 

[biffzinker]

Funny how one can form habits around the preferences of one's SSD. I find myself falling into that pit all the time. I know that an empty drive is the fastest, so in order to maximize that performance, I frequently remove games that fall even slightly into disuse; as a result, I never actually come close to using most of the space on my drives.

This build marks the debut of NVMe in any of my desktops, as well as the first time I'll have more than 3TB of SSDs to rely on, and the first time I'll regard even empty SATA performance as no longer "fast", so it's less of an issue now. Though I remember my first, a 240GB SSD 530 from five years ago - LSI Sandforce really did not like a full drive.

You know your probably right about the early smaller capacity SSDs that first came out. Theres a chance I've formed a habit related to the first 80GB Intel 320 SSD I had.

 

[Chomiq]

Didnt wanna make a thread about this but, someone that has had the first gen ryzen and upgraded or anyone that wants to chime in on this. Is the upgrade worth it? Ive been considering a 3900x or even the the 2920x threadripper. I play lots of games and I use maya to animate mostly, and video edit if I want to make a demo reel. I dont know what route I should go, the prices on the threadrippers look fantastic but I dont know. Any help is appreciated! THANKS!

I believe @TheLostSwede upgarded from first gen Ryzen.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Didnt wanna make a thread about this but, someone that has had the first gen ryzen and upgraded or anyone that wants to chime in on this. Is the upgrade worth it? Ive been considering a 3900x or even the the 2920x threadripper. I play lots of games and I use maya to animate mostly, and video edit if I want to make a demo reel. I dont know what route I should go, the prices on the threadrippers look fantastic but I dont know. Any help is appreciated! THANKS!

Short answer, yes.

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, my system feels a lot more responsive than it did with my Ryzen 7 1700. It's hard to describe the difference, but everything feels snappier somehow.
I would wait and see what the new Threadrippers are like, they're going to be out before the end of the year, if it's a platform you're considering that is.

AMD still have some work to do on Ryzen 3000, but overall it's been a better experience than the first gen.

 

[Space Lynx]

I am new to Ryzen and Navi, I have a question about drivers... for Windows 10 (doing Linux first, but will eventually move to windows once drivers mature in another month or two)

@EarthDog @TheLostSwede @biffzinker

Ok, so on the motherboard BIOS page it only has this - AMD all in 1 with VGA driver ver:19.10.16_19H1_WHQL

But I don't want that correct? I want to download the B450 chipset direct from AMD - around 50mb download, and then the latest Navi drivers which just came out yesterday are on TPU Home Page, just those two is all I need correct? then I just do the other typical drivers... like LAN, etc direct from BIOS page.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I am new to Ryzen and Navi, I have a question about drivers... for Windows 10 (doing Linux first, but will eventually move to windows once drivers mature in another month or two)

@EarthDog @TheLostSwede @biffzinker

Ok, so on the motherboard BIOS page it only has this - AMD all in 1 with VGA driver ver:19.10.16_19H1_WHQL

But I don't want that correct? I want to download the B450 chipset direct from AMD - around 50mb download, and then the latest Navi drivers which just came out yesterday are on TPU Home Page, just those two is all I need correct? then I just do the other typical drivers... like LAN, etc direct from BIOS page.

Get the drivers from AMD, not the board makers.
And indeed, all you need is that driver from AMD, plus audio, Ethernet and maybe something else depending on your board, like RGB control or some kind of motherboard utility, if you want to use that.
Looks like AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB is out for your board, I would install that UEFI.

 

[Space Lynx]

Get the drivers from AMD, not the board makers.
And indeed, all you need is that driver from AMD, plus audio, Ethernet and maybe something else depending on your board, like RGB control or some kind of motherboard utility, if you want to use that.
Looks like AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB is out for your board, I would install that UEFI.

I use a dedicated DAC for my audio so I don't need any drivers, I will just let Win 10 auto install that one.

So:

AMD Chipset B450 direct from AMD
Navi Driver direct from AMD
LAN from mobo site

that's it? I don't worry about RGB stuff or anything like that, and I don't use "utilities" stuff. I prefer vanilla

 

[TheLostSwede]

I use a dedicated DAC for my audio so I don't need any drivers, I will just let Win 10 auto install that one.

So:

AMD Chipset B450 direct from AMD
Navi Driver direct from AMD
LAN from mobo site

that's it? I don't worry about RGB stuff or anything like that, and I don't use "utilities" stuff. I prefer vanilla

Sounds about right.