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Probably first time Acti-Blizz did something right. For own gain, but with good side-effect. Their motives are clear tho. 

System Name | Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G3 |
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Processor | i7-4790K \\ i7-6500U |
Motherboard | MSI Z97 Gaming 7 |
Cooling | Noctua DH-15 |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB 2400 MHz \\ 16GB DDR4-2133 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti\\ Intel 520 HD |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 512GB, WD Black 2 TB, Samsung 970 Pro 512GB \\ Samsung 256GB SSD |
Display(s) | BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station |
Case | Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z323 |
Power Supply | Corsair AX860i |
Software | Windows 10 |
Yeah, tell me again how a home user can get LTSB, legally. I'll waitOr you could just use Windows 10 LTSB or Windows 10 LTSC
https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/sg/17763.107.101029-1455.rs5_release_svc_refresh_CLIENT_LTSC_EVAL_x64FRE_en-us.isoTotally unexpected, but, apparently, this is per-application only. There is no magic update, which enables it, the application will do it for itself and only.
Should have just let it die, EOL is less than a year away.
Yeah, tell me again how a home user can get LTSB, legally. I'll wait![]()
System Name | Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G3 |
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Processor | i7-4790K \\ i7-6500U |
Motherboard | MSI Z97 Gaming 7 |
Cooling | Noctua DH-15 |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB 2400 MHz \\ 16GB DDR4-2133 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti\\ Intel 520 HD |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 512GB, WD Black 2 TB, Samsung 970 Pro 512GB \\ Samsung 256GB SSD |
Display(s) | BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station |
Case | Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z323 |
Power Supply | Corsair AX860i |
Software | Windows 10 |
This isn't a myth, you can't backport WDDM 2.0 to win7 without rewriting a lot of code, by a lot I mean something that's virtually impossible with the costs associated. Now whether WDDM itself is an artificial wall created by MS that's another debate altogether, but their key business is OS so they have to upsell the latest versions somehow.Myth. There are no such limitations except were artificially implemented deliberately by Microsoft. There are no real reasons why DX12 can't run on Windows 7 or 8.1, just like there was no real reason why DX10/11 couldn't run on XP. In fact, I'd bet real money DX12 could run on XP with the right supporting code libraries included in.
This is my current go-to version of 10.
https://winaero.com/blog/upgrade-windows-10-evaluation-to-full-version-easily/And after the evaluation expires?![]()
Buy a license, download the iso from Microsoft.Yeah, tell me again how a home user can get LTSB, legally. I'll wait![]()
You don't need WDDM 2.0 to implement DX12 code. Myth.you can't backport WDDM 2.0 to win7 without rewriting a lot of code
Technically no but then you won't get everything that comes with DX12 under win10 either.You don't need WDDM 2.0 to implement DX12 code
That is effectively stealing. Easo was asking for a lawful method. It is possible for a home user to buy a license for Enterprise, but you have to jump through a few hoops.https://winaero.com/blog/upgrade-windows-10-evaluation-to-full-version-easily/
In Home and Pro versions the only nags on unactivated copy are watermark and not being able to set desktop background with windows tools.
That's not true either. It's all software. Software is flexible and can be made to work regardless of where it's run. Examples you say? Windows games on Linux, Windows 9x games on NT based Windows, DOS games in Windows 10, Halo 2 modified to run on XP. It's all flexible, any limitations are only problems to be solved and in the case of DX12 running on Windows 7(or even Vista for that matter), it's only a matter of including the right modifications and code libraries.Technically no but then you won't get everything that comes with DX12 under win10 either.
Enterprise EVAL to full upgrade still requires valid license so i fail to see how that is stealing.That is effectively stealing. Easo was asking for a lawful method. It is possible for a home user to buy a license for Enterprise, but you have to jump through a few hoops.
The article you quoted...Enterprise EVAL to full upgrade still requires valid license so i fail to see how that is stealing.
...describes a registry hack to "Change the EditionID value data from EnterpriseEval to Enterprise". That is stealing if you don't own a valid license, which most people don't.
There was The Corrupted Blood Incident. Which has been used as a case study of sorts. Not that they participated in it intentionally. Nonetheless, it was something that could benefit us all by analyzing how players behaved and applying it to potential real world scenarios. Skip to 5:50 to see where I got the idea.WoW addicts actually did something that could benefit us all for once.
Don't worry, they already announced popups are coming to Win 7 next month reminding you you need to upgrade to Win 10 before its too late. They say it will be easy to turn off, but I doubt it. lolI'm pretty impressed with MS lately. First the Master Chief Collection coming to PC and on Steam and now this. It's even more impressive because for a while there MS was intent on getting everyone on Win 10 one way or another and DX12 was one of there lures. I wonder now if MS will extend support for Win 7 beyond Jan of next year.
Processor | Intel Core i7 9900K@5.0GHz |
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Motherboard | AsRock Z370 Taichi |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans |
Memory | 32GB Corsair DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS Strix GTX 1080Ti |
Storage | 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache |
Display(s) | QNIX QX2710 1440p@120Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Define S |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard is good enough for me |
Power Supply | eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
A few games getting DX12 support in Win7 will not change the tide. Besides newer hardware comes wiith Win10 exclusively. Laptops especially.Argh, this sucks. The death of Windows 7 can't come quick enough. Using that OS is like riding a dinosaur to work at this point.
Processor | Intel Core i7 9900K@5.0GHz |
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Motherboard | AsRock Z370 Taichi |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans |
Memory | 32GB Corsair DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS Strix GTX 1080Ti |
Storage | 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache |
Display(s) | QNIX QX2710 1440p@120Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Define S |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard is good enough for me |
Power Supply | eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
Because I still have to work on that PoS* on a daily basis until it dies.Besides assuming you are on Win10 what does it matter to you when and if Win7 support ends?
Of course it is an exaggeration, that's the point. But using it for any length of time after having been on 10 for so long, feels like using a dinosaur. I find myself regularly trying to do something when on a Win7 machine that I do regularly on Win10 only to remember that Win7 doesn't have that function.And calling it a dinosaur is a gross exaggeration. Pre-XP yes but Win7 and even Vista are still quite modern in terms of how they do things.
News flash for you there, If you're running Windows 10, you're running a system the inner workings of which are VERY similar to 7. Windows 10 has a new UI, IE a face transplant, but otherwise nearly the same. Hardware drivers are still interchangeable and programs made for 7 run flawlessly on 10 with very few exceptions. If you think 7 is a dinosaur compared to 10, I'd like to know what drugs you're using so I can avoid them.Argh, this sucks. The death of Windows 7 can't come quick enough. Using that OS is like riding a dinosaur to work at this point.
This.And calling it a dinosaur is a gross exaggeration. Pre-XP yes but Win7 and even Vista are still quite modern in terms of how they do things.
Funny, I'm same experience in reverse and it's not fun or productive.I find myself regularly trying to do something when on a Win7 machine that I do regularly on Win10 only to remember that Win7 doesn't have that function.
Processor | Intel Core i7 9900K@5.0GHz |
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Motherboard | AsRock Z370 Taichi |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans |
Memory | 32GB Corsair DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS Strix GTX 1080Ti |
Storage | 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache |
Display(s) | QNIX QX2710 1440p@120Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Define S |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard is good enough for me |
Power Supply | eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
Not really a news flash to me, but whatever. The UI is what makes Win 10 better and what makes Win 7 feel dated. If Win 7 had the same improvements that 10 had, I'd happily still use it.News flash for you there, If you're running Windows 10, you're running a system the inner workings of which are VERY similar to 7. Windows 10 has a new UI, IE a face transplant, but otherwise nearly the same. Hardware drivers are still interchangeable and programs made for 7 run flawlessly on 10 with very few exceptions. If you think 7 is a dinosaur compared to 10, I'd like to know what drugs you're using so I can avoid them.
I have yet to find a single thing that Win 7 does that Win 10 doesn't, maybe you can enlighten me?Funny, I'm same experience in reverse and it's not fun or productive.
That is your opinion, not shared by everyone.The UI is what makes Win 10 better and what makes Win 7 feel dated.
A whole ton of system configs become a pain to access or just plain don't exist.I have yet to find a single thing that Win 7 does that Win 10 doesn't, maybe you can enlighten me?
Processor | Intel Core i7 3770k @ 4.3GHz |
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Motherboard | Asus P8Z77-V LK |
Memory | 16GB(2x8) DDR3@2133MHz 1.5v Patriot |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce GTX 1080 GAMING X 8G |
Storage | 59.63GB Samsung SSD 830 + 465.76 GB Samsung SSD 840 EVO + 2TB Hitachi + 300GB Velociraptor HDD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync |
Case | NZXT PHANTOM410-BK |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe |
Power Supply | Corsair 850W |
Mouse | Anker |
Software | Win 10 Pro - 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | 30FPS in NFS:Rivals |
Steam stats show gamers are slow on the uptake as well. Though the margin is lower with 10 being 65% and 7 being 27% as of the time of this post.Just remember guys, Win 7 is heavily used in the Enterprise environments. Most of companies are still using it and Win 10 migrations are slow as f.
Processor | Intel Core i7 9900K@5.0GHz |
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Motherboard | AsRock Z370 Taichi |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans |
Memory | 32GB Corsair DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | ASUS Strix GTX 1080Ti |
Storage | 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache |
Display(s) | QNIX QX2710 1440p@120Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Define S |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard is good enough for me |
Power Supply | eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
None of the configs, as far as I've found, have been completely removed from Windows 10. And just because something has been moved, doesn't mean it is a pain in the ass to access. In fact, I find most of the configurations that I use are actually made easier to find in Win10, once you realize where they have been moved to.A whole ton of system configs become a pain to access or just plain don't exist.
System Name | Negra5 |
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Processor | i5 6500 |
Motherboard | ASUS Z170M-Plus |
Cooling | Cooler Master Hyper TX3 |
Memory | Kingston HyperX 16GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | PNY GTX-1070, ASUS GTX970, XFX RX480 |
Storage | Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB, WD 1TB HDD, WD 1TB HDD. |
Display(s) | SPELER 21" FullHD |
Case | GAMING EAGLE WARRIOR CG-06R1 |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard RealTek HD Audio |
Power Supply | Corsair GS800W 80 Plus Bronze |
Mouse | Cooler Master Devastator MS2k |
Keyboard | Cooler Master Devastator MB24 |
Software | Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | Pfft |
I see... probably not worth to go back to Win7 just for one game.It’s going to be a per game basis, to only work with the patched games. WOW is first one. It will be distributed as a game patch, not MS.
Oh really, how do you suppose many of the DX12 features will work without kernel level support?That is effectively stealing. Easo was asking for a lawful method. It is possible for a home user to buy a license for Enterprise, but you have to jump through a few hoops.
That's not true either. It's all software. Software is flexible and can be made to work regardless of where it's run. Examples you say? Windows games on Linux, Windows 9x games on NT based Windows, DOS games in Windows 10, Halo 2 modified to run on XP. It's all flexible, any limitations are only problems to be solved and in the case of DX12 running on Windows 7(or even Vista for that matter), it's only a matter of including the right modifications and code libraries.