Do you need to use AA on a 25" 1440p IPS monitor?

[P4-630]

I'm currently looking at this monitor:

https://azerty.nl/0-4297-799966/del...0-1-6-ms-2xhdmi-2xmhl-displayport-mini-d.html

I'm currently playing my games at 21.5" 1080p with 4xAA or more.

Since the pixels of this 25" 1440p are smaller then my current monitor, do games with 2xAA or no AA look just as good as on my current monitor?

My CPU is a i5 6500, haven't had a problem with gaming yet but I believe gaming at 1440p is better for the CPU (Less CPU hammering)?

 

[natr0n]

Usually the higher the resolution; the lesser amount of AA is needed regardless of the actual screen size.

 

[Jetster]

I use the lowest setting on AA

 

[Vayra86]

I'm currently looking at this monitor:

https://azerty.nl/0-4297-799966/del...0-1-6-ms-2xhdmi-2xmhl-displayport-mini-d.html

I'm currently playing my games at 21.5" 1080p with 4xAA or more.

Since the pixels of this 25" 1440p are smaller then my current monitor, do games with 2xAA or no AA look just as good as on my current monitor?

My CPU is a i5 6500, haven't had a problem with gaming yet but I believe gaming at 1440p is better for the CPU (Less CPU hammering)?

Careful with that monitor. I ordered one, and sent it right back - ordered the monitor I have right now and haven't looked back since. 1440p @ 25 inch is a really nice combination in terms of AA. PPI is high enough that you really don't need much of it, if at all. Color accuracy is good. Response time however is weak at best and for gaming, this is definitely not the best option.

It's a new and cheaper IPS tech that's used in these panels, and they are extremely prone to IPS glow. To the extent of not having blacks, but actual greys in your screen corners. Be ready to use the return policy for this panel, especially if you game in a dark room or at evenings/nights.

Dell's IPS is built for bright lit office workspaces, is what Dell will reply with. In my book it's just cheap ass IPS panel tech.

Oh and last but not least, the OSD buttons are all touch buttons. My panel also had a bit of a bulge in the bottom bezel, which is also the bezel where these buttons are found. Half of those buttons did not respond too well and needed a firm push, while the right side would pop right up at the slightest touch. Quality control on these panels is shaky. I honestly didn't understand all the positive reviews after having ordered one, but back then this was the cheapest 1440p IPS money could buy without ordering from Asia. To me it is evident now why the price is relatively low.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Depends on the game. To reduce distant shimmering like GTA5 you have to AA even on 4K.

 

[P4-630]

Careful with that monitor. I ordered one, and sent it right back - ordered the monitor I have right now and haven't looked back since. 1440p @ 25 inch is a really nice combination in terms of AA. PPI is high enough that you really don't need much of it, if at all. Color accuracy is good. Response time however is weak at best and for gaming, this is definitely not the best option.

It's a new and cheaper IPS tech that's used in these panels, and they are extremely prone to IPS glow. To the extent of not having blacks, but actual greys in your screen corners. Be ready to use the return policy for this panel, especially if you game in a dark room or at evenings/nights.

Dell's IPS is built for bright lit office workspaces, is what Dell will reply with. In my book it's just cheap ass IPS panel tech.

Oh and last but not least, the OSD buttons are all touch buttons. My panel also had a bit of a bulge in the bottom bezel, which is also the bezel where these buttons are found. Half of those buttons did not respond too well and needed a firm push, while the right side would pop right up at the slightest touch. Quality control on these panels is shaky. I honestly didn't understand all the positive reviews after having ordered one, but back then this was the cheapest 1440p IPS money could buy without ordering from Asia. To me it is evident now why the price is relatively low.

Which one is the best of these 3 then?

https://azerty.nl/36-4297-941442/aoc-pro-line-q2577pwq-led-mo.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-878049/asus-mx25aq-led-monitor-25.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-855072/philips-brilliance-b-line-258b.html

 

[Vayra86]

Which one is the best of these 3 then?

https://azerty.nl/36-4297-941442/aoc-pro-line-q2577pwq-led-mo.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-878049/asus-mx25aq-led-monitor-25.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-855072/philips-brilliance-b-line-258b.html

First off, don't even touch Philips any longer for any kind of screen. It's TP Vision behind that name and they're renowned for producing absolute junk. Case in point with what you linked, a 14ms (!!!) IPS panel.

The other two are likely all the same panels as the Dell U2515h and are likely to have similar issues. I'd have to dive into it really to get to the bottom of that, haven't had those two myself.

If you want lower budget / entry IPS at 1440p I would recommend looking at LG or Samsung PLS. They have far fewer glow issues and I believe they also offer 4ms IPS panels. That's the response time you'd be looking for if you like gaming.

The LCD panel bible: www.tftcentral.co.uk

Double check whatever you intend to buy there, there's likely to be review.

 

[chuck216]

Which one is the best of these 3 then?

https://azerty.nl/36-4297-941442/aoc-pro-line-q2577pwq-led-mo.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-878049/asus-mx25aq-led-monitor-25.html
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-855072/philips-brilliance-b-line-258b.html

You might also want to include the Asus PB258Q

https://azerty.nl/36-4297-812258/asus-pb258q-led-monitor-25-.html

 

[P4-630]

Yeah I have noticed now that philips is 14ms ...

Ok I will try to find some other hopefully affordable 1440p monitors then.
Thanks.

 

[Vayra86]

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/578225/benq-gw2765he-zwart.html
> Some reports of dead pixels and calibration needed, but a good panel with local dimming (!) which is uncommon for IPS and will be useful because of the low static contrast rating that IPS just has and will always have. Low ghosting, 4ms, 27 in 1440p
Given the Dutch 7/14 day return policy, I'd say worth a shot. Loses points on build quality which generally means the panel case and stand, which doesn't look like it's adjustable. Basically 100% of the cash goes into the panel itself.

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/445249/acer-h7-zilver-zwart.html
> Looks good. 4ms. No height adjustment

The full search I'm picking from
https://tweakers.net/categorie/344/...rS0m58-Ax3gdorwrUJ9sr8eUnmwE_WHDVDkpVvGMtxay8

Also, note how all the 4ms panels are IPS, not AH-IPS.

You can use TFTCentral to get some simple calibration settings going btw, it's not hard, and for non professional use you can just do it by using some simple on-screen tests like the ones from http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

 

[P4-630]

First off, don't even touch Philips any longer for any kind of screen. It's TP Vision behind that name and they're renowned for producing absolute junk. Case in point with what you linked, a 14ms (!!!) IPS panel.

The other two are likely all the same panels as the Dell U2515h and are likely to have similar issues. I'd have to dive into it really to get to the bottom of that, haven't had those two myself.

If you want lower budget / entry IPS at 1440p I would recommend looking at LG or Samsung PLS. They have far fewer glow issues and I believe they also offer 4ms IPS panels. That's the response time you'd be looking for if you like gaming.

The LCD panel bible: www.tftcentral.co.uk

Double check whatever you intend to buy there, there's likely to be review.

So this should be better:
€ 470,69
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-740730/samsung-sd850-series-s27d850t-.html

I also don't want to pay much more for a monitor actually...

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/445249/acer-h7-zilver-zwart.html
> Looks good. 4ms. No height adjustment

Hmmm looks nice that Acer, I don't have hight adjustment now either so I don't think thats a problem.

 

[Vayra86]

So this should be better:
€ 470,69
https://azerty.nl/36-4297-740730/samsung-sd850-series-s27d850t-.html

I also don't want to pay much more for a monitor actually...



Hmmm looks nice that Acer, I don't have hight adjustment now either so I don't think thats a problem.

Yeah fuck height adjustment though being able to tilt the panel is useful, and even the cheapest stands can usually do that, I use old DVD boxes for a superb ghetto-mod there. I also use a stack of them to height-adjust my speakers Brilliant solution if I may say so myself.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/selector.htm
^Worth trying to get you some nice suggestions.

BTW if you're going into the 450 euro realm, you've got more options, including FreeSync and higher refresh.

 

[P4-630]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/selector.htm
^Worth trying to get you some nice suggestions.

My result:
Even Below £500 shows only this monitor! ....
Dell really wants me to buy their monitor it seems..

 

[Vayra86]

My result:
Even Below £500 shows only this monitor! ....
Dell really wants me to buy their monitor it seems..
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Well yeah. Thing is if your U2515H doesn't have much of the IPS glow (bit of a lottery, that) and no weird bulge in the bottom bezel, it's a very decent panel all-round.

I just really hated that glow and even a lot less of it would annoy the crap out of me, so I went for VA and am still stunned every day with that huge static contrast, and ZERO backlight bleed or glow.

It looks like the TFT Selector is broken, I get zero results on many different price tags and preferences. A few years back it would always give you suggestions.

I mean look:

YOUR SELECTIONS:

Price range: Below £700
Size of monitor: 25 - 27 inch
Widescreen Aspect Ratio = 169
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Ultra HD or 4K Resolution Required?: no
Panel technology preference: IPS type

Primary use will be: Gaming
Secondary use will be: Office / Internet
Variable Refresh Rate Preference: Not wanted
Functions specifically needed: Not bothered

NO RESULTS

 

[P4-630]

Well yeah. Thing is if your U2515H doesn't have much of the IPS glow (bit of a lottery, that) and no weird bulge in the bottom bezel, it's a very decent panel all-round.

I just really hated that glow and even a lot less of it would annoy the crap out of me, so I went for VA and am still stunned every day with that huge static contrast, and ZERO backlight bleed or glow.

It looks like the TFT Selector is broken, I get zero results on many different price tags and preferences. A few years back it would always give you suggestions.

I mean look:

YOUR SELECTIONS:

Price range: Below £700
Size of monitor: 25 - 27 inch
Widescreen Aspect Ratio = 169
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Ultra HD or 4K Resolution Required?: no
Panel technology preference: IPS type

Primary use will be: Gaming
Secondary use will be: Office / Internet
Variable Refresh Rate Preference: Not wanted
Functions specifically needed: Not bothered

NO RESULTS

I need some more time but I have these in my favorites now:
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/445249/acer-h7-zilver-zwart.html
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/410421/samsung-s27d850t-groen-zwart.html

 

[BiggieShady]

Depends on the game. To reduce distant shimmering like GTA5 you have to AA even on 4K.

Only temporal AA gets rid of that shimmering ... for example people love post-process smaa, it looks great on screenshots but shimmers like ass in live action, temporal smaa variant is ok but heavy, nvidia did good with txaa on the temporal side although a bit blurry and too heavy, maybe though in this case on 25 inch 1440p screen txaa 2x would look great for 2-3 feet viewing distance.

 

[Smanci]

To clarify the claims of response time or other stuff:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2515h.htm
https://pcmonitors.info/

Try not to focus on what manufacturers advertise. 4ms and 1ms or any other time is likely to be bull.

The level of AA needed is up to you so the best would be to go see one live. You you'll see more information (better clarity) on that monitor but aliasing is still present with 2x AA and obvious without any AA. Anything above 4X is practically useless, though. Higher pixel density also brings more depth to the image.

 

[gupsterg]

Had 2x Dell U2515H.

Both had backlight bleed top left corner IIRC, wasn't huge but enough to stop me having say a desktop wallpaper which had mainly black background and logo of something in the centre. Whilst gaming I barely noticed the issue. I did adjust brightness down to say 10 or something low in the evenings, I don't use PC without lighting in the evening. Daytime I could not see the backlight bleed even with higher brightness of 25 or something like that.

One monitor the power touch button was useless, you could be trying for upto 5 mins to turn it off or on, other monitor was perfect for touch button responsiveness. I noticed no other issues and did look for issues .

Image quality was the best I'd ever laid my eyes on , stand is superb IMO. 25" @ 1440P to me seemed perfect, I preferred that over the Asus MG279Q (27" @ 1440P). The Dell U2515H looks so swish on desk as well.

Why I went Asus MG279Q was basically 60Hz of the Dell U2515H for SWBF was too low, I had gotta used to the Eizo FG2421 120Hz @ 1080P. Pretty much other games I used I did not have an issue with the U2515H.

I ideally wanted a high refresh rate VA 1440P 25" screen but none around, I didn't want a 27" 1440P. The U2515H seemed the best screen for my purpose, but as I do play a lot of SWBF and it did not feel right to me when viewing at 60Hz I had to get something differing.

Even the Asus MG279Q I have been through 3 screens, the third was perfect on having no backlight bleed and so minimal IPS glow that I was amazed. Within a month though some dead pixels occurred . Luckily 5cm from the right most bezel, so as not smack bang in the middle of the screen. I took a discount from Amazon and didn't claim on warranty, as was tired from screen changes.

Even the Eizo FG2421 I had prior to Dell was my 3rd screen from Eizo.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

As someone with a 25" 1440p monitor, absolutely. Moving up from 1080p made no difference in the level of AA I needed. Even my friend with a 4k monitor needs AA. I don't think you'll be able to get away from that til 8k and even then I'm not completely confident in that.

 

[phanbuey]

on 4k 17" i could turn off AA comfortably... you do still need it at 1440p - im on a 1440p 24" and its not absolutely necessary if jaggies dont bother you much.

Also i find that AA can blur the game and make it look worse in some cases, so depending on the game i will prefer to turn it off.

 

[P4-630]

As someone with a 25" 1440p monitor, absolutely. Moving up from 1080p made no difference in the level of AA I needed. Even my friend with a 4k monitor needs AA. I don't think you'll be able to get away from that til 8k and even then I'm not completely confident in that.

on 4k 17" i could turn off AA comfortably... you do still need it at 1440p - im on a 1440p 24" and its not absolutely necessary if jaggies dont bother you much.

Also i find that AA can blur the game and make it look worse in some cases, so depending on the game i will prefer to turn it off.

Well yeah actually jaggies bother me, I play mostly GTA V, luckily it's a well optimized game, I have a GTX1070 and want to play it at least at a steady 60fps and hope to play my other games at 60fps ultra as well or would it be too much for the 1070 with AA?

 

[gupsterg]

I don't have GTA V, but have GTA IV. Even on the U2515H I could notice need for AA when viewing say pavement where it met road and some other bits. I would have to definitely be looking at image at specific areas which in normal gameplay I wouldn't have the opportunity to see. You maybe a better player than me, so perhaps can take your eye off the action to notice it .

Now what I noticed above sorta stared me more in the face when using 27" 1440P. I do think with 25" 1440P I was seeing a better image quality than 27" 1440P, even without AA.

 

[INSTG8R]

I still run at least 2X at 1440p, sometimes crank it on older games because I can.

 

[P4-630]

when using 27" 1440P. I do think with 25" 1440P I was seeing a better image quality than 27" 1440P, even without AA.

Yeah I was thinking that as well, the pixels are a little smaller if you have a 25" vs 27" which should give better image quality.
I will buy next year, the prices may be different then and probably more choice.

I still run at least 2X at 1440p, sometimes crank it on older games because I can.

At what fps are your games running with AA and that Fury X you have?

 

[gupsterg]

As recently I've been hooked on LOTF here's FRAPs run of that, I can't recall the scene though, in game has no AA setting IIRC and could force it with driver perhaps.

2016-12-06 12:45:44 - LordsOfTheFallen
Frames: 3650 - Time: 60247ms - Avg: 60.584 - Min: 46 - Max: 75

I'll do Crysis 3 if you like? or screen grab of my steam/origin/uplay library and you can see what you want tested?