Do you think Intel will get into mid and high end graphics cards if AMD goes bust?

[qubit]

I've been musing this, what with all the negative press about AMD's future lately and with that missing in action R9 Nano fueling the fire this week

I reckon Intel might do to fill the void left by AMD, as there's good money to be had in that market. They certainly don't lack engineering talent and they can poach ex-AMD engineers and perhaps NVIDIA ones too if they need to. Also, it would provide NVIDIA with some convenient "competition" so that the competition commissions in various countries don't start sniffing around them as the only player left in town. A second source for x86/x64 CPUs would also be handy for Intel for the same reason, so they might licence them out to another company, perhaps Samsung.

What do you think?

 

[Solaris17]

Remember larrabee hype? pepperidge farms remembers

 

[qubit]

Sure, but they were trying to do something different there with hundreds of x86 cores, which didn't pan out. I reckon if they put their mind to a traditional GPU they'd make a great job of it.

 

[Solaris17]

Sure, but they were trying to do something different there with hundreds of x86 cores, which didn't pan out. I reckon if they put their mind to a traditional GPU they'd make a great job of it.

nope because a discrete GPU is what they were aiming for. regardless of weather or not it failed im sure someone at that company is more intelligent than you or I and had already thought about not using the x86 architecture. All Intel managed to prove was that they could not do it.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I don't see AMD just disappearing any time soon regardless of all the people on here who are experts when it comes to how multi-billion pound companies are run, am thinking none of them are CEO of a major corporation anyway... That said I don't think Intel need to compete in the graphics market, they have done a lot of work with their IGP's but that's only a shoot off of their CPU interests and because they needed to up their game in that respect as they were losing money to AMD on the processor side (note I only mean the budget end APU/IGP not high end as most people on these forums run as their main rig) it would take considerable investment and a few years of serious R+D to try and compete in the GPU market and even then they would be playing second fiddle to Nvidia for a long time.

 

[qubit]

Ok, I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Sol. We're only musing this anyway. It was a long time ago and a different strategy though and things change, so I wouldn't count them out.

@NdMk2o1o Agreed AMD won't disappear in the immediate future. Their decline could take another 3-5 years perhaps, who knows? Hopefully they'll survive instead and improve, with a change of management.

 

[Solaris17]

Ok, I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Sol. We're only musing this anyway. It was a long time ago and a different strategy though and things change, so I wouldn't count them out.

@NdMk2o1o Agreed AMD won't disappear in the immediate futre. Their decline could take another 3-5 years perhaps, who knows?

I wont get into that. As for AMD declining sure. They are right now. Disappear? They can't, which seems like a fundamental thing over seas people bring up in conversation. I'm sure with enough failure they could go under but the actuality is its against the law in the United States to have a monopoly which is what Intel would have so the US govt would extend every possible opportunity to AMD to allow them too dig themselves out. The US might even find it necessary to bail them out.

 

[Mr.Scott]

I'm sure with enough failure they could go under but the actuality is its against the law in the United States to have a monopoly which is what Intel would have so the US govt would extend every possible opportunity to AMD to allow them too dig themselves out. The US might even find it necessary to bail them out.

Somebody will buy them and take the company apart before that happens. Hostile takeover.

 

[qubit]

Ok Sol, I didn't know that the government would pull out all the stops to prevent that monopoly. In a way, you can see why AMD's management are perhaps not trying too hard to fix the company then, as they effectively can't fail. Then after a few years those executives leave with a golden handshake for screwing up the company. Kinda sucks really.

 

[AsRock]

I believe Intel be wanted to buy out AMD, AMD not going go bust it will just have a new owner before that ever happened.


Don't really know if this could ever be possible, but if AMD went down and Intel take the graphics part of the company and the CPU license transferred to lets say nVidia.

 

[dorsetknob]

Not much has been said about AMD's foreign investors (if memory serves me that's the Abu dhabi royal family ( SEE EDIT ) and their overseas investment company) and the role they should be playing in this
They have a massive investment that they stand to lose ( and as a oil rich nation the US government having a vested interest in not pissing off a Oil Supplier Nation ) will End up Pressurizing Intel into allowing a Takeover ( to include that Valuable X86 License) the Alternative would be State Support and State investment
Cannot See that happing
End choice will be who the US Government decide to chose as their preferred Take over Company

Edit

About Mubadala

Mubadala Development Company (Mubadala) is a Public Joint Stock Company headquartered in Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates. Its focus is on developing and managing an extensive and economically diverse portfolio of commercial initiatives. It does this either independently or in partnership with leading international organizations. Mubadala's commercial strategy is fundamentally built on long-term capital-intensive investments that deliver strong financial returns.

The company manages a multi-billion dollar portfolio of local, regional, and international investments, projects and initiatives. Through its investment and development projects, Mubadala is both a catalyst for, and a reflection of, the drive for economic diversification of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi. Its impact is evident domestically and internationally in sectors such as energy, aerospace, real estate, healthcare, technology, infrastructure, and services.

Mubadala's sole shareholder is the Government of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi.

 

[rtwjunkie]

AMD isn't going anywhere, for all the reasons @Solaris17 stated. I've been mulling this, and knowing they have a good chance of getting bailed out makes me think upper management is not behaving as if their lives depended upin it.

 

[AsRock]

AMD isn't going anywhere, for all the reasons @Solaris17 stated. I've been mulling this, and knowing they have a good chance of getting bailed out makes me think upper management is not behaving as if their lives depended upin it.

Lets face it, these high payed people up top they fuck shit up and leave and get way over payed. Makes me think of Presidents lol.

 

[Steevo]

Not much has been said about AMD's foreign investors (if memory serves me that's the Abu dhabi royal family ( SEE EDIT ) and their overseas investment company) and the role they should be playing in this
They have a massive investment that they stand to lose ( and as a oil rich nation the US government having a vested interest in not pissing off a Oil Supplier Nation ) will End up Pressurizing Intel into allowing a Takeover ( to include that Valuable X86 License) the Alternative would be State Support and State investment
Cannot See that happing
End choice will be who the US Government decide to chose as their preferred Take over Company

Edit

About Mubadala

Mubadala Development Company (Mubadala) is a Public Joint Stock Company headquartered in Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates. Its focus is on developing and managing an extensive and economically diverse portfolio of commercial initiatives. It does this either independently or in partnership with leading international organizations. Mubadala's commercial strategy is fundamentally built on long-term capital-intensive investments that deliver strong financial returns.

The company manages a multi-billion dollar portfolio of local, regional, and international investments, projects and initiatives. Through its investment and development projects, Mubadala is both a catalyst for, and a reflection of, the drive for economic diversification of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi. Its impact is evident domestically and internationally in sectors such as energy, aerospace, real estate, healthcare, technology, infrastructure, and services.

Mubadala's sole shareholder is the Government of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi.

ATI was a canuck company, AMD has more invested offshore than on. So not sure what the US has to do with ANY of this. Currently the US is using more domestic oil than import, in a very short time it could become independant of other "oil countries" which by definition that is the only supply they have, and they are sucking it dry to pay for their lavish lifestyles... but I digress.


At its very least AMD has the X64 and many other licenses to continue generating royalties off to pay their debts down and leave a small core company behind. They could be our next RAMBUS in 5 years at this rate. Plagued by poor management, worse investment and contracts tying them to shit fabs, and their lack of bloodlust..... I forsee them going bankrupt within 2 years unless they manage to pull a rabbit out of the proverbial hat, anti-trust laws in the EU and USA coming into play preventing Intel or Nvidia getting their mitts on them, and the core company becoming either a subsidiary of Samsung, ARM, or a design on demand with IP service.

 

[RejZoR]

Either way, it's gonna suck for consumers, that's for sure...

 

[15th Warlock]

Picked other, don't think AMD is going bust anytime soon, they've bounced back in the past from terrible launches (Radeon x1800 series anyone?) pretty sure they'll make it through this rough patch, Fury cards seem to be sold out most of the time also, and the console business will keep them afloat

 

[R-T-B]

Picked other, don't think AMD is going bust anytime soon, they've bounced back in the past from terrible launches (Radeon x1800 series anyone?) pretty sure they'll make it through this rough patch, Fury cards seem to be sold out most of the time also, and the console business will keep them afloat

X1800 series wasn't as bad as the HD 2xxx series.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Remember larrabee hype? pepperidge farms remembers

Larrabee was Intel trying to make a CPU fit a GPU mold. It was comprised of dozens of x86 cores and Intel learned their lesson the hard way that having that much logic means it's not going to compete with a GPU designed for streaming. Intel also learned that DirectX and OpenGL are much more complex than they thought--making a fast driver for them to convert to X86 is silly and inefficient.


What does Intel have? HD 530 (24 execution units). All they need to do is double, triple, or quadruple the execution units and they'll have something that competes with NVIDIA and AMD. If they produce it at 14nm, it could easily beat NVIDIA and AMD.

The only thing that would stop Intel is a lack of motivation. They are already the #1 graphics manufacturer in the world, after all.

 

[15th Warlock]

X1800 series wasn't as bad as the HD 2xxx series.

I was referring to the terrible launch that forever tarnished the X1800 due to ATI delaying the release of the card because of serious bugs discovered during the prototype phase of its development, and also sending the card to reviewers a month before its availability, one of the worst cases of "paper launch", also, the very limited number of cards available when it finally hit the market, all of the above prompted ATI to release the X1900 series only a few months after the X1800 was finally made available.

 

[jaggerwild]

Intel is one of the major video card sellers already(IGPU)and is moving up fast, unless you own AMD which no one here does then you can speculate(masturbate)all day long.

 

[Jetster]

Are we forgetting Intel use to make motherboard?

 

[RCoon]

They're already in the market, and closing in close on AMD

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

 

[tabascosauz]

I have to say, I still believe that Intel would rather prop up AMD behind the scenes and make them more dependent on big blue team rather than let them die, if the day came. I think that there would be ramifications relating to a possible monopoly (don't go on about how they don't technically have a "monopoly" in phones and ultramobiles if they decide to ditch x86, because immediately ditching x86 to prevent a monopoly would be a worse death sentence than facing Uncle Sam about an actual monopoly) if they indeed do let AMD go to waste, and Intel wouldn't want that. Plus, Intel might be interested in sticking it to Nvidia, with AMD under their wing (to a certain extent). Perhaps still a bit sour about that annual 66M payment to Green team?

So no. I don't think that Intel will be involved in mid and high end graphics. The more likely scenario would be Intel HD Graphics rising to a level where it can compete with high-end graphics from Nvidia, while being motherboard- or CPU-integrated. That's still very far away.

My desire to see Nvidia burn far outstrips that of seeing Intel and AMD burn, combined. At least Intel helps improve the lives of a select few workers and miners in the Congo, and will continue to expand its Conflict-Free program in the future. In my books, that's far more effective and relevant than throwing humanitarian donation money at a poor country and expecting it to rise from the ashes like a phoenix. Nvidia just sits around milking its customers, fanboys and educated enthusiasts alike, dry.

 

[Zakin]

My desire to see Nvidia burn far outstrips that of seeing Intel and AMD burn, combined. At least Intel helps improve the lives of a select few workers and miners in the Congo, and will continue to expand its Conflict-Free program in the future. In my books, that's far more effective and relevant than throwing humanitarian donation money at a poor country and expecting it to rise from the ashes like a phoenix. Nvidia just sits around milking its customers, fanboys and educated enthusiasts alike, dry.

Weird, being a former huge AMD fanboy, that last sentence especially is exactly how I felt with them for years, especially with the CPU side. All three of them are pretty much doing it though, anyone that can't accept that is a little too blind.

 

[micropage7]

i think no, or if they wanna enter the market they gonna offer something lower, like better than onboard with something like low power consumption or something
if they enter highend market with highend product (by their scale) they gonna get beaten by Nvidia