Do you think PC gamers are being shafted lately?

[Mussels]

Here is a list of things PC gamers have been screwed with recently:


Modern Warfare 2: no dedicated servers, in game features (lean for example) cut back since they didnt work on console


Bad company 2: Great game? yeah, its awesome. Lets play it on LAN.. oh i cant. you cant host your own servers, lan or internet. joy. this is almost as bad as MW2.

Dawn of war II: while more of an experiment, it started a trend of sequels having very different gameplay to the original game. This started off teh following...

Supreme commander 2: massively dumbed down so that its console-friendly, as well as simplified and turned from "one of the best RTS games" into "one of the blandest RTS games"

CnC4: while i have no real experience here, comments from beta users indicate its followed DOW II, and is barely an RTS game any more.

Assasins creed 2: delayed several months (so spoilers are inevitable), PC gamers save files are stored online. no offline play.


i'm sure theres tons more - what do you all think? are PC gamers getting the shaft in favour of consoles? is the trend of making games simple and stupid to appeal to 'the mass market' leading to the downfall of PC gaming?

 

[assaulter_99]

Yeah mussels, I guess you already know what we think about it. They have shafted something up our *rse! rofl. This is a sad and worrying trend developing here. I guess we have to keep an eye on how things turn out, its already bad as it is. I have more thorough thoughts and ideas about that but I have to go now, I'll point them maybe later.

 

[ste2425]

I dont realy play games online so i crn't comment on lack of dedicated servers, lag and all that jazz but it is kind of anoying when playing games and they still have the pop of menus saying 'press x to accept'. A very anoying game for me that felt very much like a bad port was frontline fuels of war. But then on the other hand i have to say theres been some ports that i have found very entertainging and enjoyed playing. Timeshift for example, Fuel, was dead space a port or not i aint too sure. But the point is i dont think ports are possibly a bad thing i think its the amount of time and the quality of the port that is the issue.

 

[Mussels]

ste: we arent discussing ports so specifically. sup com 2 is not a port, for example. please read the post again.

 

[douglatins]

The only developer that still cares about us is valve and epic, but i do think that valve should have put a non console browser
I played supcom2 beta and wow, that was simple

 

[TIGR]

are PC gamers getting the shaft

Yep.

 

[ste2425]

ste: we arent discussing ports so specifically. sup com 2 is not a port, for example. please read the post again.

ok sorry i read the original post in a hurry and did not get the full picture. My previous comment still stand mind you

 

[Marineborn]

i have a ps3 and a 360 and i have a very good high end computer , and i have this high end computer for 1 reason to play video games that i cant play on the console, and this makes me xtremly sad and feels like im getting shafted when all these great pc games are getting dumbed down for the consoles, dont get me wrong some games are great on the consoles and some games are great on the pc, but pleae the games for the pc Make em for the pc JUST THE PC dont make em for everything...*sigh*

 

[JackAttack]

i'm sure theres tons more - what do you all think? are PC gamers getting the shaft in favour of consoles? is the trend of making games simple and stupid to appeal to 'the mass market' leading to the downfall of PC gaming?

Yes, I believe that is the case.
The bigger question is what can be done about it?

Money talks, bs walks.

Console games outsell pc games bigtime, from what I see.

The Gamestop people I have spoken with agree, they told me the difference is huge in their sales. And I have been to 3 of their stores, all the same feedback from them.

If I was a developer I'd certainly go where the money is, wouldn't you?

Any ideas on what can be done to change this?

Raise prices perhaps?

What about the pc video card manufacturers...they are selling us cards for outrageous sums of money and they need sales. Maybe THEY need to get involved in this too. They won't be selling many cards if there are no pc buyers.
They have money to help fight this trend and again, money talks.

 

[Marineborn]

alot of people arnet smart face it, lol thats the problem, hey a console i can just buy a game and pop it no problem, i dont have to install, worry about drivers, worry about bug, worry about crashed, worry about have the requirment...dur dur dur dur...DUR!

 

[Mussels]

Any ideas on what can be done to change this?

Raise prices perhaps?

raise up a big outcry.

The point is - when game devs realize that PC gamers are sick of this bullshit and will pay for games without it, then the game devs will make games the way we want. With all the bells and whistles, with the customization we're used to and with dedicated servers coming on the damn game DVD.


the only way to make these morons realize it however, is to make complaints all over the place, make the general public aware - get it into the news.

 

[JackAttack]

raise up a big outcry.

The point is - when game devs realize that PC gamers are sick of this bullshit and will pay for games without it, then the game devs will make games the way we want. With all the bells and whistles, with the customization we're used to and with dedicated servers coming on the damn game DVD.


the only way to make these morons realize it however, is to make complaints all over the place, make the general public aware - get it into the news.

OK, how do we as a community, get this in the news?

 

[TVman]

MONEY MONEY MONEY thats all that matters :shadedshu

 

[dinjo_jo]

Good that AC II DRM has got a slappy reply from crackers

 

[Mussels]

OK, how do we as a community, get this in the news?

talk about it. post about it. email people about it. every time a game comes out with this shit, go rant on their forums.

 

[Marineborn]

i say we.......send them a nasty peice of mail. thell be like dam these people hate us they took time to mail us a letter, that takes alot of hate. HAHAHAHA

 

[JackAttack]

Mussels has a good idea. If we can get the entire TPU pc gamer community involved in writing letters and posting on the game site forums, maybe we will get a response and some positive results.

 

[Frick]

MONEY MONEY MONEY thats all that matters :shadedshu

And that is in no way suprising. They gotta make a profit, otherwise they will be out of bussiness. It's the way things works.

That being said, I really think gaming as a whole has gone downhill the past years. They feel like they are more the products of corporations rather than crazy minds. There are exceptions of course (like anything Tim Schafer is involved in), but that's how it feels. And the PC gamers are even worse treated by the companies than the console huggers.

And this here article is pretty old, but still interesting, and very sad. Maybe it is the money's fault.

 

[Mussels]

Frick: you're missing the point. when PC gamers stop buying these shit games, and spend the money supporting the few devs who make PC games for PC's, then they'll realize THAT is where the money is. we just need to make them realize it!

 

[JackAttack]

Lets start a list of places to go and make it easy for the guys.

Heres the first place...
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/categories/list.page

 

[AsRock]

Frick: you're missing the point. when PC gamers stop buying these shit games, and spend the money supporting the few devs who make PC games for PC's, then they'll realize THAT is where the money is. we just need to make them realize it!

The moneys were they can poop out a game every few months as PEOPLE will buy. And 1/2 the time you don't know it's a shi game till you have brought it. People are like sheep...

There is only one company that i like still and thats Bioware although feeling kinda pissed about the x pac to Dragon Age were the addon if brought with Origins it's only $15 which only says one thing Short as hell. But this is more of of a EA thing i bet and don't like Bioware sleeping with EA as EA don't give a flying fck about gamers.

IS there enough of us to help change how things are ?. I would say no due to the fact were games are made better all so cost as much as a game that is fubar. People cannot resist in buying a game and a lot of it is due to HOPE.

 

[A Cheese Danish]

I have to agree that we, PC gamers, are getting the shaft.
I will do what I can to get back what we used to have!

 

[Thrackan]

Forget "lately". PC gamers are being shafted ever since the current gen of consoles (x360, ps3, wii) were born.

 

[JackAttack]

I started something over there, at EA.
Lets see what the response is.
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/0/422490.page#3939209

 

[MatTheCat]

That being said, I really think gaming as a whole has gone downhill the past years. They feel like they are more the products of corporations rather than crazy minds. There are exceptions of course (like anything Tim Schafer is involved in), but that's how it feels. And the PC gamers are even worse treated by the companies than the console huggers.

I agree with this.....

Most modern games are just plain boring and unimaginative. Some may say that I just getting older but then I can still pick ancient titles (such as Gothic 2) and find myself totally immersed in it just as I was the first time around. Furthermore, there is still yet to be a FPS that tops BF2...a 5 year old game!

As for recent titles:

Borderlands.......ZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzz
Wolfenstien........Ok for a few hours play but then.....ZZZZZzzzzzzzZZ
Assasins Creed....omfzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzg
Modern Warfare 2.....Now the single player I do like....but it is more of a cinematic special effects feast than an actual 'game'.
Fallout 3 .....OverratedzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz

All of the above titles get rave reviews.....but they are all quite simply mediocre, at best (with exception of MW2).

The list goes on.