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Do you think Trump's presidency will affect the hardware industry?

Do you think Donald Trump's presidency will affect the hardware industry?

  • Yes, I'm concerned

    Votes: 3,124 28.3%
  • Yes, things will be better

    Votes: 1,555 14.1%
  • No, nothing will change

    Votes: 4,980 45.1%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1,377 12.5%

  • Total voters
    11,036
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I think anyone who thinks the recount can change anything is delusional. It's not necessarily bad to check things, but it won't change anything.

Anyone who thinks this election was going to be good with Clinton or Trump needs to get their head checked.
 

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...but the economic segment could not be more different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany
During the 12 years of the Third Reich, government ownership expanded greatly into formerly private sectors of strategic industries, aviation, synthetic oil and rubber, aluminum, chemicals, iron and steel, and army equipment. The capital assets of state-owned industry doubled during this same period, whereby the nationalization caused state-ownership of companies to increase to over 500 businesses.[29] Further, government finances for state-owned enterprises quadrupled from 1933 to 1943.[30]
Hermann Göring had built up a power base that effectively controlled all German economic and production matters from the invasion of Poland in 1939. In 1942 the growing burdens of the war and the death of Fritz Todt in 1942 saw the economy move to a full war economy under the efficient[73] leadership of Albert Speer. Due to state control, business had little entrepreneurial freedom[48] in a regime that has been described as "command-capitalism".[74] In place of ordinary profit incentives guiding the economy, financial investment was regulated as per the needs of the state. The profit incentive for businessmen remained, but was greatly modified; Nazi agencies replaced the profit motive that automatically allocated investment, and the course of the economy.[75]
That is socialism.

Yeah, communism is different from socialism but both are far left-of-center. That said, virtually all countries that got involved in the World Wars moved towards socialism as a function of the war economy. Massive orders for vehicles, munitions, and food coupled with rationing, meant little growth in other sectors of these economies.
 
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Thanks for catching a typo... guess it's late. That should read "demographics of it" rather than "economic segment." Fixing now.

They did indeed nationalize just about everything under the sun. I kinda alluded to that elsewhere but my typo made it sound like I was saying something different.

My point is the social policy on which they are built are completely divergent.

We are also not considering the full political spectrum, which should always consider both economy and social policy. Nazi Germany was always very right socially, there is really no debating that as there are basically the extreme version of it. I'd place communism in it's "ideological form" as extreme left, but being it's implementation always ends up with a police state to go along for the ride, it's probably more centrist (though calling them that implies moderation, something they completely lack).
 
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I think the point of this Nazi thread we're following now is that nationalism is on the rise globally but Nazism is not. Brexit is nationalism manifested.
 
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They represent a minority of a minority of a minority--the same types of people that supported the Ku Klux Klan. Only reason why they got any coverage is because the liberal media was/is grasping at any and everything that makes Trump look bad...like they've done for the past year. Trump already stated he wants nothing to do with them.
 
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They represent a minority of a minority of a minority--the same types of people that supported the Ku Klux Klan. Only reason why they got any coverage is because the liberal media was/is grasping at any and everything that makes Trump look bad...like they've done for the past year. Trump already stated he wants nothing to do with them.
I'm not quite sure their a minority as much as we want to believe, but maybe that's from living in the backwoods of washington too long... (contrary to popular belief, we have right wing psychos, too, in addition to the left ones).

Oh, and before I forget, Steve Bannon. Enough said there, he's alt-right enough for me.

You cannot possibly claim these people are not gaining influence looking at him.
 

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1st amendment protects them as much as everyone else. The problem is putting a camera in front of them. They don't deserve the coverage they got. And, my point: if Spencer didn't mention Trump, it wouldn't have gotten any coverage at all. Media basically made it news forcing Trump to respond.

The day before the election, I went to CNN and there was a wall of Clinton articles (5-10 I'd guess, one was about Comey, the rest were positive about her) and only one negative article about Trump and the guy that shouted "gun" at one of his campaign stops. Major media was supporting Clinton for years (speculation that she'd run) and they didn't change their pattern even with Sanders almost beating her and again with Trump rising from the ashes over and over again. I've never seen so much bias. They didn't even bother to cover Project Veritas which showed evidence that the things the media did cover at Trump events ("Donald Ducks," Cleveland event getting canceled because of riots, paid plants starting fights at Trump rallies, and so on) was all staged by Clinton backers. And then when one of their rank (NBC) blatantly edited footage of Clinton crossing her eyes, the rest of the media said nothing. And to top it all off, Secret Service literally dragged Clinton in to a van because she was stiff as a board at the 9/11 event and a day later, they quit covering it. Anything that was remotely perceived as bad for Clinton quickly got dusted under the rugs while every little politically incorrect statement Trump made got wall to wall coverage for days.

I think we're all in the backwoods.

Social media helps but it has its own bias. The media fragmenting (The Blaze, Daily Caller, Brietbart, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, and so on) also helps but monetary concerns cause conflicts of interest (they have to take sponsorships). It's unfortunate the press can't truly be free.
 
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Your basically complaining about media sensationalism, something that has existed since the dawn of the media. It's not really the media's fault that Trump tends to be a sensationalist character with his comments. I mean, you do remember his reality-TV career prior to this, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series)
 

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Oh, and before I forget, Steve Bannon. Enough said there, he's alt-right enough for me.
Beware of leftist media characterizations...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=1
DAVIS: You hired Steve Bannon to be the chief strategist for you in the White House. He is a hero of the alt-right. He’s been described by some as racist and anti-Semitic. I wonder what message you think you have sent by elevating him to that position and what you would say to those who feel like that indicates something about the kind of country you prefer and the government you’ll run.

TRUMP: Um, I’ve known Steve Bannon a long time. If I thought he was a racist, or alt-right, or any of the things that we can, you know, the terms we can use, I wouldn’t even think about hiring him. First of all, I’m the one that makes the decision, not Steve Bannon or anybody else. And Kellyanne will tell you that.

[laughter]

KELLYANE CONWAY: 100 percent.

TRUMP: And if he said something to me that, in terms of his views, or that I thought were inappropriate or bad, number one I wouldn’t do anything, and number two, he would have to be gone. But I know many people that know him, and in fact, he’s actually getting some very good press from a lot of the people that know him, and people that are on the left. But Steve went to Harvard, he was a, you know, he was very successful, he was a Naval officer, he’s, I think he’s very, very, you know, sadly, really, I think it’s very hard on him. I think he’s having a hard time with it. Because it’s not him. It’s not him.

I’ve known him for a long time. He’s a very, very smart guy. I think he was with Goldman Sachs on top of everything else.

UNKNOWN: What do you make of the website he ran, Breitbart?

TRUMP: The which?

UNKNOWN: Breitbart.

TRUMP: Well, Breitbart’s different. Breitbart cover things, I mean like The New York Times covers things. I mean, I could say that Arthur is alt-right because they covered an alt-right story.

SULZBERGER: [laughing] I am, I am. I’ll take whatever you say. I am always right, but I’m not alt-right.

[laughter, cross talk]

TRUMP: The New York Times covers a lot of stories that are, you know, rough stories. And you know, they have covered some of these things, but The New York Times covers a lot of these things also. It’s just a newspaper, essentially. It’s a newspaper. I know the guy, he’s a decent guy, he’s a very smart guy. He’s done a good job. He hasn’t been with me that long. You know he really came in after the primaries. I had already won the primaries. And if I thought that his views were in that category, I would immediately let him go. And I’ll tell you why. In many respects I think his views are actually on the other side of what a lot of people might think.

DAVIS: But you are aware, sir, with all due respect, that African-Americans and Jews and many folks who disagree with the coverage of Breitbart and the slant that Breitbart brings to the news view him that way, aren’t you?

TRUMP: Yeah, well Breitbart, first of all, is just a publication. And, you know, they cover stories like you cover stories. Now, they are certainly a much more conservative paper, to put it mildly, than The New York Times. But Breitbart really is a news organization that’s become quite successful, and it’s got readers and it does cover subjects that are on the right, but it covers subjects on the left also. I mean it’s a pretty big, it’s a pretty big thing. And he helped build it into a pretty successful news organization.

Now, I’ll tell you what, I know him very well. I will say this, and I will say this, if I thought that strongly, if I thought that he was doing anything, or had any ideas that were different than the ideas that you would think, I would ask him very politely to leave. But in the meantime, I think he’s been treated very unfairly.

It’s very interesting ’cause a lot of people are coming to his defense right now.

PRIEBUS: We have never experienced a single episode of any of those accusations. It’s been the total opposite. It’s been a great team, and it’s just not there. And what the president-elect is saying is 100 percent true.

[cross talk]

TRUMP: And by the way, if you see something or get something where you feel that I’m wrong, and you have some info — I would love to hear it. You can call me, Arthur can call me, I would love to hear. The only one who can’t call me is Maureen [Dowd, opinion columnist]. She treats me too rough.

I don’t know what happened to Maureen! She was so good, Gail [Collins, opinion columnist]. For years she was so good.

[cross talk]

SULZBERGER: As we all say about Maureen, it’s not your fault, it’s just your turn.

[laughter]
I take him for his word.

Your basically complaining about media sensationalism, something that has existed since the dawn of the media. It's not really the media's fault that Trump tends to be a sensationalist character with his comments. I mean, you do remember his reality-TV career prior to this, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series)
The Clinton freezes (plural) is far more sensationalist material than Trump, yet, very little coverage, nay, cover up.
 
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The Clinton freezes (plural) is far more sensationalist material than Trump, yet, very little coverage, nay, cover up.
While I agree they were undercovered, they aren't really sensationalist as much as sad, sorry.

For the record, I couldn't vote for Clinton either. Both of these individuals are severely unfit to rule our nation.

I take him for his word.
I take him for his words, from you know, the news site he ran?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#Identification_with_alt-right_and_allegations_of_racism

It's about as reputable as conservapedia.

But meh, you can trust Trump if you want. I don't. And I really have my doubts you will by the time his term is done.
 

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They should have investigated her health issues like they investigated Trump University. It's only fair. POTUS has to be fit to do the job.

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They should have investigated her health issues like they investigated Trump University. It's only fair. POTUS has to be fit to do the job.
They did cover it pretty well, actually. It was documented as being pneumonia. I know Trump supporters don't buy that, but I had pneumonia around the same time and I can tell you, I buy it completely. It can knock you down far worse than you think, and even have some side effects that last months if not permanently if you get a bad enough case.

POTUS has to be fit to do the job.
Technically, there are no health requirements. But I agree she didn't really seem "all there" to me on several other points enough to cause concern. I also just kinda hate her, being an old Bernie Sanders supporter.

I didn't come here to debate politics though. I have other forums for that... and I avoid them.

Frankly, the only thing I will leave you with is I have no idea how anyone sane could walk away from this election feeling good... no matter who won.

I voted for "Creepus" by the way.

He's an old server mascot from my minecraft server. He's Creeper Jesus. He exploded for your sins.

And with that, nap time.
 
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They did cover it pretty well, actually. It was documented as being pneumonia. I know Trump supporters don't buy that, but I had pneumonia around the same time and I can tell you, I buy it completely. It can knock you down far worse than you think, and even have some side effects that last months if not permanently if you get a bad enough case.
Except that the "doctor" that issued that statement was in Boston when Clinton was in New York City. They never saw each other that day. Journalism 101: verify statements for factuality.

Technically, there are no health requirements. But I agree she didn't really seem "all there" to me on several other points enough to cause concern. I also just kinda hate her, being an old Bernie Sanders supporter.
Do you really think FDR would have won four terms if the public knew he had polio?

I take him for his words, from you know, the news site he ran?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#Identification_with_alt-right_and_allegations_of_racism

It's about as reputable as conservapedia.
Since when did a corporation represent an individual working for that corporation?

...also...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d-trump-everythings-going-alt-right/89376208/
On Thursday, the term “alt-right” entered the 2016 spotlight like never before. First, Hillary Clinton put out an ad tying Donald Trump to the alt-right. Then Trump denied he was alt-right. Then Clinton, that afternoon, called Trump alt-right for an entire speech.
...yeah...not exactly a credible source.

Let's go down the rabbit hole. The source USA Today cited was Mother Jones:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news

Mother Jones (progressive) is basically the antithesis to Breitbart (conservative).

Quote:
"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July.
This begs a lot of questions. The full quote was not given. The statement could have been made off the record or casually. It's also not clear that those were Bannon's exact words.

...and, well... I'll stop there because the further I read into this Mother Jones article, the more I'm convinced it's an opinion piece. Example: "Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."

Milo, I am familiar with because he comes up on the topic of Gamer Gate. Here's his article:
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
The alternative right, more commonly known as the alt-right, is an amorphous movement. Some — mostly Establishment types — insist it’s little more than a vehicle for the worst dregs of human society: anti-Semites, white supremacists, and other members of the Stormfront set. They’re wrong.
His article was meant to explain the moment yet somehow the comments section getting overran by hateful people (like Spencer) redefines Milo's piece and Breitbart at large? Reading through this article, it's a lot like his work on trying to understand Gamer Gate. It's a good piece and I seriously can't fathom why it warranted dragging Breitbart and Bannon through the mud.

As far as I can tell, this is where the thread started leading to Clinton attacking Trump about Bannon and Trump defending Bannon while disavowing Spencer's remarks. That said, just because Spencer used a poor choice of words describing Trump's victory doesn't mean all (or even most) members of the alternate-right movement supports what he said.

And this is why politics today sucks: attack first, ask non-loaded questions never.

Yes, and nothing has changed since.
I won't take your word for it. I know, for a fact, my county does not use those machines in any of its 16 districts.
 
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I believe Trump was always the Establishment's Plan B.
Hillary was Plan A until it became clear that her hidden health problems are so serious that she is unlikely to survive the next 4 years, let alone 8 years.
It's not just Hillary's heart trouble, she has damage to her optical nerve--brain damage.
 
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I love you RTWjunkie, but as a historian (I was a history minor in College, specialising in western European mainly but you get the point), you couldn't be more wrong. Just because they use the word "socialist" in their name does not make them such. They are extremely social right-wing with governmental police state properties. This is at harsh odds with the communist party on the first point, to the point that dutch communist agents burnt down the Reichstag prior to WW2.

Ironically, it's one of the few things Hitler was likely honest about: The commies really did burn down his palace (and not even the Russian ones!)

There are some similar elements, such as the complete control of the life of citizens and police state mentality that seem to go hand in hand with the communist ideology, but the demographic segment could not be more different. Thus calling them "leftist" really is misleading.



I still just see the petty reality TV star you want to believe is the man in this picture.

Frankly, I prefer this one if we're going to mock the candidates with ridicules photos (I know it's not your intention, but you still managed it. Anyways, got this one from Cyanide and happiness random the other day):

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If you are talking about the Reichstag fire, that was one of the best examples of a false flag operation used to achieve a desired result. Hitler burned down the Reichstag and used it as an excuse to crack down.

Calling socialism Right Wing is incorrect.
Socialism is simply a prelude to true Communism:

Marx predicted that socialism and communism would be built ... as political prelude to the establishment of socialism. ... and support for a true dictatorship .
wikipedia
This was why the USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
 

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I love you RTWjunkie, but as a historian (I was a history minor in College, specialising in western European mainly but you get the point), you couldn't be more wrong. Just because they use the word "socialist" in their name does not make them such.
History minor here too, so right back at ya! ;) All they did was add extreme nationalism to socialist thinking. And in this, they actually were no different from the brand of Communist being practiced by Stalin in the USSR. All of their other beliefs hinged around an extreme Socialist state. It's not just the control of the citizens, all the work of the citizens was for the state, and from the state they received according to their needs. Everything was government controlled and provided.

And it wasn't a palace, it was the Reichstag, the same thing as our Capitol building, the seat of their legislature. Commies were never a huge threat to Hitlers rise in Germany, he merely made them so to aid his rise to power. You might be the only person in the world that doesn't think he had it burned down himself in order to have a scapegoat so he could vault his party into the majority coalition.

I love ya too, RTB! ;)
 
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If you are talking about the Reichstag fire, that was one of the best examples of a false flag operation...
*sighs

The evidence for that theory is really weak, and has yet to be proven despite everyone really wanting to believe it. I find it unfortunate to see it repeated here.

I'm not about to defend Hitler though, so I'll drop it.

PS: The "palace" terminology for the reichstag was meant to be mockery of what was left of the weimar republic at that point, so intentional. I know it wasn't literally his palace.
 
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If you are talking about the Reichstag fire, that was one of the best examples of a false flag operation used to achieve a desired result. Hitler burned down the Reichstag and used it as an excuse to crack down.

Calling socialism Right Wing is incorrect.
Socialism is simply a prelude to true Communism:

This was why the USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Stating the obvious but "true communism" will never work for humans. Human brains simply aren't wired for it. Communism would be great for a robot society though. :laugh:
 
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Stating the obvious but "true communism" will never work for humans. Human brains simply aren't wired for it. Communism would be great for a robot society though. :laugh:


Or, as my old professor told me:

"It's great for ants"
 
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And to think we in the UK thought Brexit was bad, having Trump as POTUS is just good that its you lot across the pond!!
 

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Or, as my old professor told me:

"It's great for ants"
I actually started typing about ants and then deleted it. :roll:

And to think we in the UK thought Brexit was bad, having Trump as POTUS is just good that its you lot across the pond!!
Stock market has been hitting record high after record high. Building up for a crash or building up to stay? Time will tell. I'm a Trump skeptic but until he actually does something...I can't predict the future.
 
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