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Do you think Trump's presidency will affect the hardware industry?

Do you think Donald Trump's presidency will affect the hardware industry?

  • Yes, I'm concerned

    Votes: 3,124 28.3%
  • Yes, things will be better

    Votes: 1,555 14.1%
  • No, nothing will change

    Votes: 4,980 45.1%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1,377 12.5%

  • Total voters
    11,036
  • Poll closed .
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Were they going to shock the shit out of you for owning guns? Or maybe deport you and/or family members, hmmm?

I mean yeah, if you were physically in fear, go to the safe space. That's the point. But I doubt you were. There's a difference between losing your gun safe and losing yourself and/or family.



You clearly didn't go to my thanksgiving day party.

@rtwjunkie

There is a lot of hysteria but even you have to admit Trump has no one to blame but himself there. I mean all this hysteria originates from things he said and then defended. He can't possibly ever do half the things he has promised, granted, but he fanned his own flames. (What do you expect from a reality tv star?)
Actually the second he sent goons to come and take them I was a dead man so yeah. Hillary was open to "options" like Australia "buy back" and I'm sorry but, in the US the constitution doesn't mean a damn thing without the second amendment. You take it away and I become an outlaw for no other reason than I refuse to bow to a centralized government. In my eyes I might as well put on striped pajamas, shave my children's heads and wait at the train station.

The founders made it number two for a reason. First amendment is a right to talk crap. Second amendment is to back it up. IMO none of the other amendments mean ANYTHING without the second. I feared for my life under the antigun environment that was brewing in DC because when they finally got the balls to come for the guns I was as good as dead. My safe place is anywhere I damn where I want. Have at me.
 
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Well, honestly then you had a legit reason to go to the safe space... but you don't need it, as you pointed out... Why the hate for those that do?
 
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Not if they plan to largely eliminate it.

I'd like to believe you, but I'm very skeptical, honestly.
Due to illness I've had to go on Social Security Supplemental, and I've suspected for many years at some point the program will be terminated before I ever reach retirement age.
I never expected to receive even a single payment, but now being sick to the point I cannot work, I am completely dependent on it for my income.
 
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Well, honestly then you had a legit reason to go to the safe space... but you don't need it, as you pointed out... Why the hate for those that do?
Because its a lie. There is nowhere safe. Grow a set, mind ya business, and defend yourself.

Back down from anyone and you have already lost.
 
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It really doesn't matter who's in the Presidency. That's just one person. What matters is the people and the spirit of the nation. We have got to get past this us and them shit. Its the workers of America that will save this country. You already saw how powerful they are in the election.

For years they have been warning that SS will run out of money. But its still going. Fear is our enemy
 
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Because its a lie. There is nowhere safe. Grow a set, mind ya business, and defend yourself.

Back down from anyone and you have already lost.
I thought the wild west ended a while ago man... I can't say I agree at all.
 
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Wild west? No the real world.
Not what you described, man. You do realize you and I inhabit the same dimension, right?

My father, an ardent NRA supporter, is currently across the table from me shaking his head at your comment.
 
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Not what you described, man. You do realize you and I inhabit the same dimension, right?

My father, an ardent NRA supporter, is currently across the table from me shaking his head at your comment.
Is there a "safe place" when someone tries to mug you? Is there a "safe place" when your kids are walking home from school and some nut job wants to snatch them up in a candy van? Is there a "safe place" when a woman is being beat by her husband? No. There is not. No matter how well you want to dress up this world, its a F#$KING mad house. It is and always will be a dog eat dog world and "safe zones" in school are creating sheep and not wolves. No more snowflakes man. Its time for hale.
 
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Is there a "safe place" when someone tries to mug you? Is there a "safe place" when your kids are walking home from school and some nut job wants to snatch them up in a candy van? Is there a "safe place" when a woman is being beat by her husband? No. There is not. No matter how well you want to dress up this world, its a F#$KING mad house. It is and always will be a dog eat dog world and "safe zones" in school are creating sheep and not wolves. No more snowflakes man. Its time for hale.
I hope you like a world full of wolves badly needing some therapy then. PTSD has done wonders for the world, no doubt. /s

Also a common element of safe spaces is teaching you how to avoid these situations.

I'm done here.
 
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I hope you like a world full of wolves badly needing some therapy then. PTSD has done wonders for the world, no doubt. /s

I'm done here.
Unlike you it seems I know what happens when they turn off the electricity. People lose their damn minds. I've lived under marshal law in the U.S. and believe me I didn't see a single "safe zone" except inside the 82nd green zone.
 
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I get what your saying R-T-B I just call it being smart. I learned a long time ago that flipping people off can get you shot. When a Guy pulled a gun on me. Its just that calling it a safe place implies that you can let your guard down and someone will protect you. Its just not so. Criminals love the week minded
 
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I get what your saying R-T-B I just call it being smart. I learned a long time ago that flipping people off can get you shot. When a Guy pulled a gun on me. Its just that calling it a safe place implies that you can let your guard down and someone will protect you. Its just not so. Criminals love the week minded
That's why I said "Mind ya Business". Flipping people off will get you shot. lol
 
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Unlike you it seems I know what happens when they turn off the electricity. People lose their damn minds. I've lived under marshal law in the U.S. and believe me I didn't see a single "safe zone" except inside the 82nd green zone.
Uh, I do too. Nice assumption though. We did without power and water for two weeks in most of Western Washington when the northwest ice storm hit. Granted, there wasn't New Orleans style sewage in and tidal water in the street, but it wasn't pleasant (and there WAS decent flooding). This still isn't the "real world" 99% of us will ever live in. It's the "Wild West" when things go wrong. I find it brutally ironic when you try to use exceptional circumstances as justification that we need to get in the "real world," because the reality is disasters that result in martial law are anything but common in the "real world."

Criminals love the week minded
Which is precisely why part of "Safe zones" is education from vetted individuals, at least it was at evergreen.

It really doesn't matter who's in the Presidency. That's just one person. What matters is the people and the spirit of the nation. We have got to get past this us and them shit. Its the workers of America that will save this country. You already saw how powerful they are in the election.

For years they have been warning that SS will run out of money. But its still going. Fear is our enemy
FWIW, I agree completely, but it goes both ways. Conservatives need to keep an open mind to liberal ideas where they are working well just as much as liberals need to get of their high horse and realize they aren't right about everything (or honestly, quite a bit).

Our whole nation is fractured down the middle, and it sucks bad. I want Trump to succeed, I really do, and unlike some liberal protesters, I do acknowledge he IS my president. But I won't stop speaking out when some really stupid myths come out of the woodwork, nor should I. And unfortunately at the moment, Trump is full of them.
 
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Uh, I do too. Nice assumption though. We did without power and water for two weeks in most of Western Washington when the northwest ice storm hit. Granted, there wasn't New Orleans style sewage in and tidal water in the street, but it wasn't pleasant (and there WAS decent flooding). This still isn't the "real world" 99% of us will ever live in. It's the "Wild West" when things go wrong. I find it brutally ironic when you try to use exceptional circumstances as justification that we need to get in the "real world," because the reality is disasters that result in martial law are anything but common in the "real world."



Which is precisely why part of "Safe zones" is education from vetted individuals, at least it was at evergreen.



FWIW, I agree completely, but it goes both ways. Conservatives need to keep an open mind to liberal ideas where they are working well just as much as liberals need to get of their high horse and realize they aren't right about everything (or honestly, quite a bit).

Our whole nation is fractured down the middle, and it sucks bad. I want Trump to succeed, I really do, and unlike some liberal protesters, I do acknowledge he IS my president. But I won't stop speaking out when some really stupid myths come out of the woodwork, nor should I. And unfortunately at the moment, Trump is full of them.
Two weeks? Try 6 months but, that's besides the point. I was using it as an example. Not a justification. I was born and raised in Miami. I lived though the 80's and the cocaine wars down there. Then the 90's came with the gangs. Sorry......no safe zones to be seen anywhere for my almost 40 years of my life and yet here I am. Teaching kids retreat is the worst lesson you can teach them. Its an injustice and IMO morally wrong.

We are not talking about preschoolers here. These college kids can be drafted and killed at anytime. "Safe zones" is just a deadly heard mentality and THAT is why I am against them. Always face what is coming at you and never expect help.

You get where I am coming from?
 
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No its not......its supposed to train you for the real world. To me that's the tragedy.
 
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It is and always will be a dog eat dog world and "safe zones" in school are creating sheep and not wolves.
I hope you like a world full of wolves badly needing some therapy then. PTSD has done wonders for the world, no doubt. /s
Edward R. Murrow said:
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
FWIW, I agree completely, but it goes both ways. Conservatives need to keep an open mind to liberal ideas where they are working well just as much as liberals need to get of their high horse and realize they aren't right about everything (or honestly, quite a bit).
The only solution is abiding by the 10th amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I think the only permanent solution is restructuring how legislatures work:
Federal: 90% to pass
State: 80% to pass
County: 70% to pass
City: 60% to pass

100% liberalism and conservativism would fail federally. Only sane policies like authorizing fire fighters to put out fires on private property without permission would pass (because fires spread when unchecked).

The minimum 90% majority protects the rights of the minority, an important facet of republics.

In a lot of situations, as specified by the 10th amendment, it is best when government doesn't act at all. America is supposed to be largely about self-governance and by ignoring the 10th amendment, the US as a whole drifted far from that principle. It was a terrible mistake and this election is proof of it. The reason why there is so much fighting is because people who desire power have something to fight over. If voting policy above was put in place and the federal government shrunk as a consequence of it, would people really even care who wins a federal election? Most of what they do domestically will never see the light of day anyway. This is the way it was back in Washington's day.

I think @TheMailMan78 had it right when he said:
I was never afraid of his/her supporters. I was afraid of his government.
...but not because of physical fear but fear of tyranny, of oppression, of what unrestrained governments that are 30-40% of your economy do. Governments that ignore its very Constitution unless it suits itself (case in point: Obamacare which the late, great Scalia warned would weaken SCOTUS). I fear a future where individual rights truly don't exist and that's something every self-determining being should be fearful of.

As @TheMailMan78 said, the 2nd amendment is the exit clause. It was what allowed the American Civil War to happen. Certain individuals focus on reducing/eliminating it because they fear what happens when they take policy too far.

Have some quotes from past presidents warning of the dangers of government (ordered by presidency):
George Washington said:
A primary object should be the education of our youth in the science of government. In a republic, what species of knowledge can be equally important? And what duty more pressing than communicating it to those who are to be the future guardians of the liberties of the country?
John Adams said:
A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
Thomas Jefferson said:
I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
James Madison said:
In framing a government, which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty is this: You must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.
Abraham Lincoln said:
Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
Theodore Roosevelt said:
The government is us; WE are the government, you and I.
Woodrow Wilson said:
Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of the government. The history of government is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of government, not the increase of it.
Calvin Coolidge said:
It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.
Franklin D. Roosevelt said:
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up. We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
John F. Kennedy said:
Without debate, without criticism no administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive.
Gerald R. Ford said:
A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.
Ronald Reagan said:
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
...reading those, you should be able to think of a lot of modern examples where government has violated those tenants. Obamacare checks off virtually every one: there was no debate in Congress over it, it's not something a vast majority of Americans wanted, it fines people for using their liberty to not participate, it was authored so agencies control it (Department of Health and Human Services and Internal Revenue Service) and not the people, the list goes on and on.


How does this relate to tech? Public surveillance, national firewalls (China, Australia, and now Russia is working on one), and governments defeating widely used security protocols (e.g. HTTPS). It's a dangerous world we live in but it is kept out of sight so it largely doesn't influence votes.
 
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I thought we were done here?

I don't even agree with the premise that safe zones create sheep, inherently. But I'm not going to continue this debate. Don't mistake it for a lack of argument. It's a lack of wanting to go OT again... and getting a headache. There is a reason I stay out of GN.
 
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