Do you use Linux?

AnotherReader · Aug 18, 2022

I don't think Android can be counted as Linux. Just using the kernel isn't enough. Bill's link, a few posts above, makes a convincing argument, especially this part :

You cannot run Linux apps on Android — and vice versa

Bill_Bright · Aug 18, 2022

Lenne said:
Naah. If you've had AMD CPU in your 8088-486 rig and if the CPU is from AMD, then it's from AMD.

"From AMD"? Where it's from is immaterial. The instruction set is code and AMD and Intel both share a lot of common code in their instruction set. Does that make AMD and Intel equal? No. And they even run the same apps!

Solaris17 · Aug 18, 2022

Lenne said:
Naah. If you've had AMD CPU in your 8088-486 rig and if the CPU is from AMD, then it's from AMD.

Can a moderator @tabascosauz edit this poll a little? Just put answers

-No
-In form of Android with my smartphone

as answers?

Is this what you want?

Keullo-e · Aug 18, 2022

Bill_Bright said:
"From AMD"? Where it's from is immaterial. The instruction set is code and AMD and Intel both share a lot of common code in their instruction set. Does that make AMD and Intel equal? No. And they even run the same apps!

I don't want that my thread goes to arguing.

Solaris17 said:
Is this what you want?

If you can add those, it's fine.

T3RM1N4L D0GM4 · Aug 18, 2022

Mini-pc HP: dual boot Ubuntu LTS 22.04.1 + Win 11 Pro
Emergency mini-pc: Opensuse Leaf 15.4
If only there were native DRM support for our beloved streaming services (no hd support :-\ ) ...

gffermari · Aug 18, 2022

Years ago in the university, I tried suse.
Now I have linux mint in an old laptop.
For general use it doesn’t make any difference to me.

Shihab · Aug 18, 2022

Fedora 36 on the main rig. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on the work/study laptop.
[Insert an obligatory rant about Nvidia and Wayland here]

caroline! · Aug 19, 2022

*ahem*
I use Arch btw

Been using it for years now, got tired of Windows tantrums because of a broken update, and of course the spyware included in 10 base edition, LTSC seems to be free of it but still.
I made Arch run the few games I play so I don't even need the dual boot anymore.

Easy Rhino · Aug 19, 2022

Selaya · Aug 21, 2022

missing the

[x] on all the fucking remote (web-)servers im responsible for

option

phanbuey · Aug 21, 2022

I actually run an ubuntu vm on virtualbox for development and cloud ssh/docker testing/ etc. it works awesome. I used to use WSL 2 for windows but it's too much hassle for networking docker clusters and it's not exactly the same as the stuff running in the cloud so not as good for testing on.

Ja.KooLit · Aug 22, 2022

Yes - Arch is my main and remains my favorite. Just finish setting up Gentoo and been using for a week. I have also Fedora. I still have Windows 11 on other drive in case there are games which I need to compare performance with. Last time I boot windows though is like months ago

birdie · Aug 22, 2022

My main OS has been Linux (Redhat then Fedora) since the late 90s but I game exclusively under Windows 10. Linux is just nowhere near Windows in terms of gaming features.

Android is not Linux and I'm not sure what it's doing in this poll. The OP must be high on Linux.

bug · Aug 22, 2022

rethcirE said:
Where's the "No" option?

You can only vote "No" if you don't have an Android phone. Or a router

Me, I'm a software developer, I'm most at home with Linux. Needing up-to-date packages for mostly anything, I'm on Arch. But whatever your use case, there's a distro for you out there.

birdie said:
Android is not Linux and I'm not sure what it's doing in this poll. The OP must be high on Linux.

Android is most definitely Linux. Linux is not a distro, it's a kernel (+drivers). Android uses that kernel. Sure, it's a modified version, but who doesn't keep an out-of-tree set of patches for their Linux kernel anyway?

birdie · Aug 22, 2022

bug said:
Android is most definitely Linux. Linux is not a distro, it's a kernel (+drivers). Android uses that kernel. Sure, it's a modified version, but who doesn't keep an out-of-tree set of patches for their Linux kernel anyway?

This poll does not have the word "kernel" anywhere in its title or description. The kernel alone doesn't make Android Linux.

99% of people out there think of/imply Linux distros when they talk about Linux. Juggling with words, terms, your understanding, purity will not change that. Secondly, the Linux kernel in Android is replaceable and will most likely be replaced with Zircon eventually. Thirdly, the kernel alone is 100% useless. It needs userspace and Android userspace has almost nothing in common with your Ubuntu (aside from using certain open source libraries, e.g. freetype, but freetype is also used by FreeBSD and even HaikuOS - no one calls them Linux). Fourthly, there's this guy, Richard Stallman, you may have heard about him, he outright refuses to call Android Linux: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.en.html Lastly, Windows 10/11 can run/include Linux components in a form of WSL. Shall we call Windows 10/11 Linux? No way on earth.

MrDweezil · Aug 22, 2022

Not at home, but its what I run on my work laptop.

bug · Aug 22, 2022

birdie said:
This poll does not have the word "kernel" anywhere in its title or description. The kernel alone doesn't make Android Linux.

I can easily turn this around and say "this poll does not have the word "distro" anywhere in its title or description".

Leaving our own understanding of what Linux is (or isn't) aside, let's see what Wikipedia has to say about it:

Linux (/ˈliːnʊks/ ( listen) LEE-nuuks or /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-uuks)[11] is a family of open-source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel,[12] an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991, by Linus Torvalds.[13][14][15] Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution.

A clear separation between "Linux" and "Linux distro", if you ask me.

ERazer · Aug 22, 2022

No other option? I run Linux as VM :laugh:

, I use arch, mint, and ubuntu servers.

GreiverBlade · Aug 22, 2022

Bill_Bright said:
Oh, and Android ≠ Linux.

well you link an open debat that give no definitive answer and mention that the definite answer is per person and depend on how you see it ...

thus for me
"However, if your definition of a Linux distro is an operating system that’s based on the Linux kernel, then Android is a Linux distro. It may be an unusual, highly-specialized distro, but it’s every bit as much of a distro as Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, and any other operating system that’s based on the Linux kernel."

yes, it is :laugh:

anyhow, voted secondary PC (as i intend to install various distro on my SFFHTPCHARG!(tm) ) tinkering since i delved in Linux distros since the late 90s early 2000s (i still have a micro application beginner book which came with Red Hat iirc 5.2 or 4.4 ) and since my point of view is of the 3rd choice :oops:

well .... tablet and smartphone ...

SchumannFrequency · Aug 31, 2022

I have been using FreeBSD as my daily driver on the desktop for several years now. I have to say that the stability has been unreal.
It also has a lot of software, good performance and is easy to use once installed. The sound quality is better than what you get on windows with an expensive sound card, I use the bit-perfect mode that works in all audio apps.

I also have a mediaBOOK 14, and it currently contains Oracle Linux.

Then there's an old 12 year old laptop from my dad that I put Void Linux + XFCE on. For windows10 it takes around 140 seconds to boot, but thanks to Void Linux it only takes 47 seconds. Shutdown takes 4 seconds, which is often faster than some high-end Windows PCs. File manager, opening photos, PDFs is instant, and is faster than the fairly new Lenovo windows11 desktop PC that my father now has. That's just bizarre and that's why I find it weird that Void Linux isn't more popular. The system starts very quickly and also stops very quickly. And most importantly, the XFCE UI is remarkably responsive to that old hardware. Now if it gets the speed optimizations of Clear Linux for the browser it would be pure perfection in terms of performance.

bug · Aug 31, 2022

SchumannFrequency said:
I have been using FreeBSD as my daily driver on the desktop for several years now. I have to say that the stability has been unreal.
It also has a lot of software, good performance and is easy to use once installed. The sound quality is better than what you get on windows with an expensive sound card, I use the bit-perfect mode that works in all audio apps.

Ok, I have to nitpick: *BSD are *nix (Unix variants), not really Linux

SchumannFrequency · Aug 31, 2022

GreiverBlade said:
well you link an open debat that give no definitive answer and mention that the definite answer is per person and depend on how you see it ...

Linux (/ˈliːnʊks/ (listen) LEE-nuuks or /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-uuks)[11] is a family of open-source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel.

The only condition is that it must use the Linux kernel. It is 100% correct to claim that Android is as hard 'Linux' as Void Linux, Oracle Linux, Alpine Linux, Clear Linux, Yocto Project, ChromeOS, etc.

theFOoL · Sep 29, 2022

Has anyone tried Linuxfx?

Linuxfx is a Themed Ubuntu based KDE Plasma environment. I've dealt with it before but I can't remember and looking forward to seeing it again

TheoneandonlyMrK · Sep 29, 2022

Tried it loads and forced to use it occasionally but it's learning curve isn't suiting mine still, I'm still trying though.

theFOoL · Sep 29, 2022

Yeah. I loaded it and installing. Hmm the UI isn't perfect but it'll do "I guess"

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Do you use Linux?

Do you use Linux?

As my main operating system

In dual-boot with Windows (or macOS)

On my secondary PC

Just for tinkering in an older PC

No

In form of Android with my smartphone

AnotherReader

You cannot run Linux apps on Android — and vice versa

Bill_Bright

Solaris17

Super Dainty Moderator

Keullo-e

S.T.A.R.S.

T3RM1N4L D0GM4

gffermari

Shihab

caroline!

Easy Rhino

Linux Advocate

Selaya

phanbuey

Ja.KooLit

birdie

bug

birdie

MrDweezil

bug

ERazer

GreiverBlade

SchumannFrequency

bug

SchumannFrequency

theFOoL

TheoneandonlyMrK

theFOoL

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Do you use Linux?

Do you use Linux?

As my main operating system

In dual-boot with Windows (or macOS)

On my secondary PC

Just for tinkering in an older PC

No

In form of Android with my smartphone

You cannot run Linux apps on Android — and vice versa​

Super Dainty Moderator

S.T.A.R.S.

Linux Advocate

You cannot run Linux apps on Android — and vice versa