I'm brining this up because soon i'll be upgrading my system and getting an HD 4870. For me it comes to this: will i'll be able to overclock the overclocked edition of the card higher than the non-overclocked edition? I have some experience with overclocked edition cards, my current card is a BFG 8800 GTS 512 OC (675 Mhz on the core vs 650 standard). I was able to overclock it to 756/1890/1053 with an aftermarket cooler. These results are not great at all for a GTS 512, i've seen people with stock coolers getting a higher core overclock than me. So after this i dont know if i should get a factory overclocked card even though some of them are almost the same price at egg. This time around i'll be using aftermarket cooling as well, a thermalright HR03 GT or an AC Accelero or maybe that new T-Rad cooler from TR. Anyway, i'd like to hear what kind of overclocks you guys are getting with stock and pre-overclocked cards and whether irs worth it?