DTS DCH Driver for Realtek HDA [DTS:X]

[valar morghulis]

All of this is very interesting.

I tried to install it on my Asrock Fatal1ty FM2A88X+ Killer (ALC1150) Running Windows 7 and failed: Uninstalled the Realtek driver, ran pnputil as instructed and clicked Install. The install went well. Rebooted, but nothing ever shown in the sound drivers but 2 new MS drivers that aren't there usually. Reinstalled from the backup.

2nd try. Without running pnputil. The sound driver version is still showing my old version, but enabled DTS Interactive and Dolby. But no sound.

(From the manufacturer's driver, DTS NeoC was already there. In fact DTS NeoC is the only item showing in the DTS Connect Tab.)

All I use on this system is S/PDIF with my Z906 5.1 system. I like stereo to remain stereo, for music. I don't use headphones. AAC/AC3 audio is working properly. I finally had HVEC working by updating the LAV audio. Would I would want is to achieve virtual ceiling speakers but I read of lot of bad things about DTX Virtual:X everything else is superior. Can't tell, never heard any of them.

I tried Alan's driver in the past, unsuccessfully.

I have an encrypted disk therefore the backup/restore operation takes 50 minutes each. Not to mention testing, editing...

I think it's a lost cause:

1 - There is no such thing as Sound Unbound in the Win 7 world. I do have DTSInc.DTSSoundUnbound_2020.3.28.0_licensed___t5j2fzbtdg37r.Appxbundle but haven't try anything with it.
2 - This board seems to use some sort of OEM driver. The only driver that works (partially: no Dolby, no microphone) is the one available on the Asrock website: 6.0.1.6873
3 - I've tried without success to install misc Realtek versions to fix a seemingly permanent microphone not working (both) issue: 6.0.1.6241, 6.0.1.6305, 6.0.1.8308 and always had go back to the manufacturer's one.

Sorry for the lengthy message, I thought someone in a similar situation would appreciate the reading.

Thanks for you hard work! Much appreciated.

 

[Ferather]

That might be down to Win7, which is not supported by anyone not even Microsoft. It's likely the OS code in the driver doesn't not support Win7.
Why not Win10? Like Win7 its a good one (unlike Vista, Win8), Win 8.1 (Win9) is where MS reverted the kernel I believe.

If you are worried about something like memory or pc performance, should be better with Win10, even with some apps open + playing music.

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[valar morghulis]

Windows 10? Seriously? Have you ever read the license? It's clearly stated that windows updates are now bidirectional! I don't understand people are installing this. MS should have been put out of business if people were watching what they're doing. Well I do have Win 11 in a virtualbox, and it's sharing only one single directory with the host. But as far as hardware is concerned I don't think it's gonna help to install your drivers in a virtual system.

Should I go ahead and install Win 11 on a computer, it would be totally isolated from the LAN and my actual filesystem.

Therefore, would continue to run Win 7 as long it's feasible even though I have to sacrifice modern apps/games/drivers. Already frozen chromium based browsers since they don't support Win 7 anymore. Got rid of FF for a while (3.6.28 was my last instance as a matter of fact, 2012 version). When I got no choice but to ditch Win 7, I'll probably go full linux, which I already run on a separate computer since 1991.

Even my computers are 10 years old because they accept CPUs that are not as much compromised as modern ones. Again sacrificing performance for privacy. Changed my ASUS A8N-E for this Asrock in 2020 because 4GB of ram was not enough anymore.

Will continue to monitor this thread, I've learn very useful information, for which I thank you once more.

 

[Ferather]

I see, well its all up to you. There may be one or two drivers that might work for you, but I don't have them on hand. I am curious though, do you mean the 'Delivery Optimization' option?
Technically this is bidirectional updates, as in I download from Microsoft, and upload to other PC's on the network, I disable it but it seems quite good for purpose.




I also use/used Linux and even Android for PC, but not with my 7900XT, not till kernel 6+ I believe, in this case, too new.

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Edit, on a side note, I used to use Lubuntu on live USB, to create-delete partitions, and also backup-restore partitions.
Does not even boot, GPU error, anyway now I use Paragon which uses the WinPE, and works flawlessly.

Slightly more limited than a full Linux distro, but it takes about 15 seconds to backup-restore Windows (NVMe).

 

[valar morghulis]

I see, well its all up to you. There may be one or two drivers that might work for you, but I don't have them on hand. I am curious though, do you mean the 'Delivery Optimization' option?
Technically this is bidirectional updates, as in I download from Microsoft, and upload to other PC's on the network, I disable it but it seems quite good for purpose.

It's only part of the whole thing. More details: https://medium.com/geekculture/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-spying-on-you-b071134a11f6

By accepting their license, you give them permission to collect some data, and to do whatever they see fit with the data collected. By default.

I don't remember all the shenanigans, I read and searched on that matter more than 5 years ago.

Like I said earlier, I do have Win 11 in a virtualbox for testing, and the amount of features one needs to remove/disable is phenomenal compared to Win 7.

Remember how they forced updates from Win 7/8.1? On top of that, it was free! Strange for a greedy company like MS, isn't it? When a product is free, you are the product. I had a deep feeling in my gut not to install it. Never really trusted MS anyways: In Windows 1, for example, I clearly remember that every Word document (or was it Write?) you created contained in clear all your data: name, address, telephone that you used to license your OS! Hidden from your view, naturally, but accessible to the receiver, or anyone having custody of the document, and knowing how to use an hex editor. You can still verify by yourself using a virtual machine or an emulator e.g. https://www.pcjs.org/ by creating such a document and opening it with an hex editor.

Sorry, we're diverting

 

[Ferather]

No problem, I fully understand, you do indeed need to turn off settings and in some cases use a more powerful third party tool(s) to configure Win10/11 as you want.

I will keep and eye out on a similar package supporting Win7, it might be possible to use the HDA driver post above (a few posts up).

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If you need DTS to re-configure, either delete the endpoint guid, or edit InitCount to 0, then restart.



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Enjoy ALC Pro DTS:X Edition, will update the tech files soon.

 

[Ferather]

@Microsoft:

Intel High Definition Audio - Wikipedia -- aka HDAUDUO (HDA), 15 channels, since 2004.

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Optical DMAS + more data. Time to catch up, this includes Realtek + OEM.

1440k total samples, less than 1536k.

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Note that with my HDMI converter plus an EDID override, to re-program the virtual monitor that acts as the optical EDID, I can do all formats and 8 channels via TOSLink.
I also contacted the OEM to produce an updated model with EDID included, to which they confirmed the unit does indeed to 8 channels, so on.

Unfortunately HDMI EDID only allows up to 8 channels, and 32 channels on HDMI is a white elephant specification.

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Potplayer files updated.

Potplayer

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Install, select additional codecs, and h/w detect, but don't run the app, restore both reg files.
See the provided screenshot to switch from decode all formats to passthrough.

You may need to set the device to stereo and/or use the extra WASAPI options (3 dots).



https://www.sounddevices.com/32-bit-float-files-explained/

 

[Ferather]

EDID Tools

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.

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MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.

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[ajf64]

I would guess they have not licensed DTS somehow, or decided to restrict it. Not sure the latter is legal (intentionally stopping certain format passthrough).
I also upgraded from my 6900XTX, I think roughly the same price as I paid for the XTX, running 2800 core 2600 mem at the moment.

AMD ray tracing..... Lets not go there for now, lol. Well that x670 has an ESS sabre DAC, should be hard to beat, although the Realtek is USB.

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Well I am happy to say the E-APO modifications have made it solid stable for me. Now I only worry about the input quality, for example some terrible 64kb rubbish (or sounds like).
No amount of SRS can make shiz sound good, the real answer is to stop using shiz formats with low bitrates in the first place, not something you can control.

I actually tried to make E-APO break, doesn't seem to want to. @ajf64, there is a model with S1220A + Crystal Sound 3 Ultra (DTS).


Note that E-APO uses restricted API, which is why it disables protected audio dg on install, I tried without, it works but not fully.

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ya idk why they converted to usb cuz its not actually usb just uses a usb lane on the board the chips and compactors are still built in to the MB that new one is supposed to be better then the 1220 from what they say i mean i still just use amd through hdmi i have my igpu turned off so im not sure if i could run audio through the onboard chipset with the motherboards hdmi port might be something i should try but when igpu is active it lowers your dedicated gpus performance by about 10% im sure that will prob be fixed in latter bios patches and as far as ray traceing goes its not horrible i play cyberpunk at 4k max settings ray tracing set to high with fsr quality at like a solid 65fps its not 4090 numbers but its not that far behind and remember we are getting fsr 3 soon and that will use the AI core swe have built in to rdna 3 and use a type of frame generation so that will bring it closer inline with nvida its still about 15% behind but its so much better for everything else my 7900xtx is most def putting out 4090 numbers and i only paid 1100$ and its a slim 3 slot card that still keeps the card super cool the asrock taichi is one of the best 7900 xtx out atm nitro+ is a little better but like 200$ more and 4 slot card

and my motherboard uses the ALC4082 instead of the 4080 that almost all boards use very few actually use the 82 its basically the 1220 of this generation with latest drivers i have not seen any issues with it seems to be pretty damn good tho i have not done a ton of testing since amd HDMI just works for atmos have you gotten windows to let you set proper DTS:X over optical yet?


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[Ferather]

No DTS put form factor restrictions in APO4+ (even the Ultra APO), Windows works as you expect, add the format and tick the box, third party software programming is not down to Microsoft.
Since its Sound Unbound (part of APO4) that is the code engine that runs DTS:X encoding, it can be restricted, its coded to work only with HDMI form factor.

Those are some very nice scores, I went for the price-to-performance line up. 10/10 for those performance specs.
Have you tried no performance bias and 100.5 bus clock? Also enable data link exchange.

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GPU's and dedicated soundcards are still HDAUDIO, which gets updates (new versions) in the same way as SPDIF, if they switch then sure USB is better in some way.

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Forgot to mention with Potplayer, if you get some audio noise when decoding video+audio, disable the normalizer.



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¦› DTS Demo Trailers HD and SD - List of Downloads

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For best optical results with Interactive (imo), use the 'Multichannel [Interactive].reg' to remove legacy mode and use HT mode.

Disable the device > apply the edited reg > clear DTS config (see post #1556 above) > enable > restart.

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Short, no reply, version of this thread here: DTS DCH Driver for Realtek [DTS:X].

 

[ajf64]

No DTS put form factor restrictions in APO4+ (even the Ultra APO), Windows works as you expect, add the format and tick the box, third party software programming is not down to Microsoft.
Since its Sound Unbound (part of APO4) that is the code engine that runs DTS:X encoding, it can be restricted, its coded to work only with HDMI form factor.

Those are some very nice scores, I went for the price-to-performance line up. 10/10 for those performance specs.
Have you tried no performance bias and 100.5 bus clock? Also enable data link exchange.

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GPU's and dedicated soundcards are still HDAUDIO, which gets updates (new versions) in the same way as SPDIF, if they switch then sure USB is better in some way.

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Forgot to mention with Potplayer, if you get some audio noise when decoding video+audio, disable the normalizer.

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¦› Dolby Demo Trailers HD and SD – List of Downloads
¦› DTS Demo Trailers HD and SD - List of Downloads

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For best optical results with Interactive (imo), use the 'Multichannel [Interactive].reg' to remove legacy mode and use HT mode.

Disable the device > apply the edited reg > clear DTS config (see post #1556 above) > enable > restart.

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Short, no reply, version of this thread here: DTS DCH Driver for Realtek [DTS:X].

i acually dont have any over clocks on my cpu at the moment im acually just useing a -20 curv optimizer with asus enhanced profile limted to max 90C temp its already so fast i dont see the need of doing any real OC for a while im at 5.5ghz all core and 5.8ghz single or dual core work load once bios has matured a bit more then ill play around with some over clocking and ya i figured it was limted to hdmi such a shame. But since you talk about bclk clocks my MB dose have isolated bclk so i can increase the bclk clock of my cpu without it effecting memory or pci-e speeds so i can super fine tune any over clocks also i can do all core over clocks while still utilizeing pbo for single core boost kinda cool but its alot of work to tweak and test at the moment. set up i have is just super stable works flawless so i have learned when somthing is working well dont play with it lol

 

[Ferather]

Well at least switch task manager to use the logical processors graph, and awe at the amount you see.

 

[ajf64]

oh i def do 32 cores all running over 5ghz is something to behold lol we got pretty similar setups lol

here is a good example of how much cpu 1.5Gb/s internet connection will cost you for just downloading a file lol just imagine people on quad cores lol

 

[Ferather]

Nice to see, also to add your previous question, you can get DTS:X over optical if you use a HDMI to TOSLink converter (GPU as sound output), it will register as HDMI with form factor HDMI.
In my case the converter already came with the DTS-HD format support, but regardless I am using an EDID override driver for TOSLink formats and 6 channels.

The receiver also needs to support receiving the format via optical, where support for HDMI and SPDIF can differ.

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As a side note, given balanced interface gain, there is almost no difference between 32bit analogue and 24bit optical with lossy encoder (both lossy in this case).
The clear winner would a lossless format or no compression when using multichannel optical, which is currently not available (hopefully soon).

 

[skymeows]

oh i def do 32 cores all running over 5ghz is something to behold lol we got pretty similar setups lol

here is a good example of how much cpu 1.5Gb/s internet connection will cost you for just downloading a file lol just imagine people on quad cores lol

how about 34 cores@ 6,2ghz? i9 13900ks over here, delidded, lapped and with direct die cooling truly a beast
@Ferather do you have a new hdv-mb01 driver?

 

[ajf64]

13900ks is 32 cores but the thing is only 8 of them and 16 threads will do 6ghz and at almost double the power requirement better hook up a AC to cool that thing lol but ya those are some pretty bad ass chips i to scared to ever delid lol id cry if i broke my chip i already broke a 700$ MB cuz i bent the damn pins my cpu sits about 88c under full load with 360 aio that is somthing i can live with even 95c was just to high for me to look at lol

 

[skymeows]

13900ks is 32 cores but the thing is only 8 of them and 16 threads will do 6ghz and at almost double the power requirement better hook up a AC to cool that thing lol but ya those are some pretty bad ass chips i to scared to ever delid lol id cry if i broke my chip i already broke a 700$ MB cuz i bent the damn pins

compared to the amd sure the 13900ks aint efficient or lets be real to achieve its 6.0 and more ghz you need direct die cooling atleast, a chiller drawing cold air best case obviously but compared to AMD i find memory overclocking a TON simpler + more overhead (im running 8800mhz ddr5 rn).. LOL yeah CPU socket on motherboards are a scary place, im always scared that the "CPU holder" falls on the pins when taking out the cpu ! oh well, i 420 smoked my last z790 apex too but had some liquid metal spraying over and ended in short circuit=dead af -800€ rip but hey atleast you aint alone haha

 

[Ferather]

@ Microsoft @ Realtek

SPDIF-Optical full HT, 6 channels pre-setup and post-setup, note the absence of the legacy code method, the pre-setup is a general mimic of analogue (no post-setup) + passthrough.
Also note (ignoring code written form factor restrictions), any APO on analogue can be present on SPDIF, even multichannel ones, PCM is PCM no matter the interface.

 

[ajf64]

compared to the amd sure the 13900ks aint efficient or lets be real to achieve its 6.0 and more ghz you need direct die cooling atleast, a chiller drawing cold air best case obviously but compared to AMD i find memory overclocking a TON simpler + more overhead (im running 8800mhz ddr5 rn).. LOL yeah CPU socket on motherboards are a scary place, im always scared that the "CPU holder" falls on the pins when taking out the cpu ! oh well, i 420 smoked my last z790 apex too but had some liquid metal spraying over and ended in short circuit=dead af -800€ rip but hey atleast you aint alone haha

ya you are are right to be scared lol the shape of zen 4 kinda sucks its acually kinda hard to pick up out of the socket im not a fan of the shape or the ihs its to thick and ya 6ghz is not really a every day stable OC on any cpu with out what you say direct die with custom loop or chiller even a 13900ks might hit 6ghz but its not going to stay there and be stable also your talking like 100c+ at that frequency intel def has better dd5 support atm sweet spot for amd is 6000mhz but i can get super tight timmings witch is nice and in alot of cases the performance matches alot of 7000mhz kits alot of intel people are useing the only down side is it seems the intel memory controllers are really hit or miss some people get lucky others not so much

 

[skymeows]

bro, a chiller will already cost you 1500+€ so yeah directdie with chiller as cooling and you can go 6,2ghz without problems. a friend of mine runs 6.3ghz on the performance cores and 5ghz on efficiency cores. amd is way better tho out of the box, while intel has the headroom in OC especially with the right cooling solution. but yes true, the IMC either on CPU or motherboard are always quite random. oh and my cpu stays on 6ghz, removed all limits but when i load hard hitting stability tests then obviously i throttle.. aint a problem tho for gaming and light work.

 

[Ferather]

With that kind of processing power, you should be able to do multiple 32 bit float tracks all at once.

 

[Ferather]

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[skymeows]

With that kind of processing power, you should be able to do multiple 32 bit float tracks all at once.

cpu pulls 150-200watt in idle and you can go as high as temps will allow it
btw, would you still get the z906 if you didnt have it or rather wait for their new lineup?

 

[Ferather]

I think even an average mobile CPU would be enough to act as a dedicated 32 bit float amp-dsp. Similar to Class-D but maintaining the PCM opposed to conversion then processing.
Its something I am trying to get into my DMAS design (lossless up to-into the speaker), I am trying to eliminate additional components (cheaper, less THD THD-N).



Note the DMAS uses SPDIF consumer standard, not professional.

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The DSP amp can have a set maximum decibel output (for example, full volume = 120dB out), speakers can have a set input, and a larger input can be attenuated (losslessly).
Technically speaking the total audio volume could be used to regulate the total power a single speaker can draw, and the same for output for the DMAS.

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SPDIF in full HT mode, 6 channels + passthrough.

 

[Ferather]

SFX: E-APO | DTS APO4, Realtek.
MFX: DTS APO4, Realtek.
EFX: DTS APO4, DTS Encoder *.

* 6 CH 48k/24b (HD).

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Note that the DTS APO4 preset is licensed on optical.
It's also setup as a generic DSP (universal).