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Sir
(and of course this is just my personal observation)

you are mixing apples and oranges in your comparison

Try a comparison with Ray Tracing ON at 3840x2160 or 4092x2160 max visual candy, no DOF, no motion blur, max othwr settings (ultra and psycho when available) Compared to the same settings with DLSS, there is a lower quality/less detail image rendered on DLSS

your comparison is not with ray tracing ON in both scenarios

and DSR isn’t applicable at 4K,5k and 8k

WITHOUT the DLSS lower resolution cheat, ray tracing cuts in half your performance, but you sacrifice the resolution with DLSS

if you like DLSS that’s fine with me, to each his own,
I’d rather have best visuals at 60 FPS than lesser visuals at 120 FPS

Seems like you are mixing apple and oranges.

You don't have to use Ray Tracing together with DLSS, those are separate features. You can use DLSS with or without RTX. What I just showed you is that when you normalize performance, DLSS can give you better image quality than native with the help of DSR, DSR works for 5K and 8K too.

Yeah I don't think you can get 60fps with Ultra RT at 4K without DLSS, more like 30fps, which is unplayable

If native resolution DLSS looks a little blurry you can use Image Sharpening in the NVCP, problem solved. If you think DLSS is just using lower resolution then you just don't know how it works :laugh:, you are more than welcome to try out FidelityFX in CP2077 though.
 
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Sorry, I find that DLSS blurs my native resolution and some detail.. To each his own

DLSS 2.0 was better than the original DLSS -but rendering a lower resolution to emulate from training data on original resolution to reduce jaggies as a form of AA, -cannot be better than original resolution with something like TAA or MSAA AND preserve the higher detail 16x AF and original textures. DLSS is innovative but it is not a visually equal or better to the original in terms of detail, in example 4k, 5k or 8k native.

I would rather have the detail than the higher frame rate when I have a good higher resolution monitor.

I understand your point, but I was not seeking to turn this into another DLSS thread, there are already plenty of those.

Also, on my rig, my configuration, and my tweaks, I am getting frame rates a little higher than most doing their comparisons, and I'm ok with not using DLSS. The original point is that DLSS is at a lesser resolution than native and IMHO its in the same category as dynamic resolution and the like.
The rant part is that with RTX nvidia hypes DLSS in their marketing because with the current RTX implementation the performance is lackluster and use DLSS as a band aid to detract from that lackluster performance, and that is why its a cheat to aid their ray tracing marketing to have folks buy new cards. They even changed the name from GTX to RTX, but the performance didn't follow - in my humble opinion.

It would be a different conversation if DLSS maintained and built upon the native resolution, making it a visual enhancement, using algorithms to render greater detail
like those old black and white films from a century ago with the resolution of a postage stamp, rendered at 4k with additional frames, detail, and colour.


Anyhow, my rig does more than Cyberpunk and other game;, that is not why it exists. Its intended purpose dictated its design. When one has decent hardware and hits the wall of what the industry can and can't do - is when you can see the marketing gamesmanship and just how far we have NOT come.
 
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My first thought: How nice it must be to not have any pets. Awesome build dude. I'd love to go all out like that someday, but my primary work program (SolidWorks) really gives two shits about more cores without getting into FEA/Rendering/Motion studies which I rarely do.
 
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Sorry, I find that DLSS blurs my native resolution and some detail.. To each his own

DLSS 2.0 was better than the original DLSS -but rendering a lower resolution to emulate from training data on original resolution to reduce jaggies as a form of AA, -cannot be better than original resolution with something like TAA or MSAA AND preserve the higher detail 16x AF and original textures. DLSS is innovative but it is not a visually equal or better to the original in terms of detail, in example 4k, 5k or 8k native.

I would rather have the detail than the higher frame rate when I have a good higher resolution monitor.

I understand your point, but I was not seeking to turn this into another DLSS thread, there are already plenty of those.

Also, on my rig, my configuration, and my tweaks, I am getting frame rates a little higher than most doing their comparisons, and I'm ok with not using DLSS. The original point is that DLSS is at a lesser resolution than native and IMHO its in the same category as dynamic resolution and the like.
The rant part is that with RTX nvidia hypes DLSS in their marketing because with the current RTX implementation the performance is lackluster and use DLSS as a band aid to detract from that lackluster performance, and that is why its a cheat to aid their ray tracing marketing to have folks buy new cards. They even changed the name from GTX to RTX, but the performance didn't follow - in my humble opinion.

It would be a different conversation if DLSS maintained and built upon the native resolution, making it a visual enhancement, using algorithms to render greater detail
like those old black and white films from a century ago with the resolution of a postage stamp, rendered at 4k with additional frames, detail, and colour.


Anyhow, my rig does more than Cyberpunk and other game;, that is not why it exists. Its intended purpose dictated its design. When one has decent hardware and hits the wall of what the industry can and can't do - is when you can see the marketing gamesmanship and just how far we have NOT come.
Exactly, I was not blown away by the RTX3090. The Titan V is a much more solid card imo. It really was a work horse.

I feel like the RTX stuff cheats and i'm constantly telling myself not to be bothered by the fact im playing at a glorified 720p with DLSS.

It does bother me though because these new cards should be powerful enough not to have to use this sort of work around. If my V had DLSS it would of been as good as a 3070IMO(and I wouldn't of upgraded). Without you can only hit 30fps with RTX on. In that case RTX effects would of been accessible at 60fps+. That would of been a perfect use case scenario. Instead i'm using DLSS on my new card....
I was surprised at the quality of the image. But still...
 
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So
it has take a few days to perfect. You know..cable management, alignment, SLI profile building, driver selection, and general tweaking.

So the build is:

2x 3090 rtx Founders Edition & SLI bridge
2x 8180M (56/112 cores
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I already had a lot of custom profiles for my quad SLI rig, so a few edits and I've been able to get SLI to work quite well.

I've moved my 1x 32GB Titan CEO ed and the othre 3x Titans to my wife's pc. Which is also a case mod clone of this machine, because it was my prior build.


So far, ...now that its all buttoned up, it seems quite a decent PC,
It very quiet, almost inaudible at idle, and creepily quite quiet under load..I like that. Provides no audible presence in room.

Temps are nice and cool, under load the cards have yet to get above 67C.
CPU run at about 41C under load, and RAM hovers at 55C under load.
NVME drives run 28C idle and 52C at the end of a full drive copy.

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WOW! Super AWESOME!
Absolute work of art my friend!
10/10! :clap:
 
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Thank you, very appreciated.

So the 461.40 driver does have resizable bar support it turns out.
Of course it says no on resizable bar support because my cards are flashbacked to the 94.02.32.00.02
so I am going to wait for the one from nvidia presumably later this week.

I've grown weary of making paperweights out of unobtanium cards

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Thank you, very appreciated.

So the 461.40 driver does have resizable bar support it turns out.
Of course it says no on resizable bar support because my cards are flashbacked to the 94.02.32.00.02
so I am going to wait for the one from nvidia presumably later this week.

I've grown weary of making paperweights out of unobtanium cards

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LOL.....
 
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