DUAL 3090 rtx SLI, Dual CPU, 1.5 TB Ram, quiet, compact case

[nguyen]

Sir
(and of course this is just my personal observation)

you are mixing apples and oranges in your comparison

Try a comparison with Ray Tracing ON at 3840x2160 or 4092x2160 max visual candy, no DOF, no motion blur, max othwr settings (ultra and psycho when available) Compared to the same settings with DLSS, there is a lower quality/less detail image rendered on DLSS

your comparison is not with ray tracing ON in both scenarios

and DSR isn’t applicable at 4K,5k and 8k

WITHOUT the DLSS lower resolution cheat, ray tracing cuts in half your performance, but you sacrifice the resolution with DLSS

if you like DLSS that’s fine with me, to each his own,
I’d rather have best visuals at 60 FPS than lesser visuals at 120 FPS

Seems like you are mixing apple and oranges.

You don't have to use Ray Tracing together with DLSS, those are separate features. You can use DLSS with or without RTX. What I just showed you is that when you normalize performance, DLSS can give you better image quality than native with the help of DSR, DSR works for 5K and 8K too.

Yeah I don't think you can get 60fps with Ultra RT at 4K without DLSS, more like 30fps, which is unplayable

If native resolution DLSS looks a little blurry you can use Image Sharpening in the NVCP, problem solved. If you think DLSS is just using lower resolution then you just don't know how it works , you are more than welcome to try out FidelityFX in CP2077 though.

 

[venturi]

Sorry, I find that DLSS blurs my native resolution and some detail.. To each his own

DLSS 2.0 was better than the original DLSS -but rendering a lower resolution to emulate from training data on original resolution to reduce jaggies as a form of AA, -cannot be better than original resolution with something like TAA or MSAA AND preserve the higher detail 16x AF and original textures. DLSS is innovative but it is not a visually equal or better to the original in terms of detail, in example 4k, 5k or 8k native.

I would rather have the detail than the higher frame rate when I have a good higher resolution monitor.

I understand your point, but I was not seeking to turn this into another DLSS thread, there are already plenty of those.

Also, on my rig, my configuration, and my tweaks, I am getting frame rates a little higher than most doing their comparisons, and I'm ok with not using DLSS. The original point is that DLSS is at a lesser resolution than native and IMHO its in the same category as dynamic resolution and the like.
The rant part is that with RTX nvidia hypes DLSS in their marketing because with the current RTX implementation the performance is lackluster and use DLSS as a band aid to detract from that lackluster performance, and that is why its a cheat to aid their ray tracing marketing to have folks buy new cards. They even changed the name from GTX to RTX, but the performance didn't follow - in my humble opinion.

It would be a different conversation if DLSS maintained and built upon the native resolution, making it a visual enhancement, using algorithms to render greater detail
like those old black and white films from a century ago with the resolution of a postage stamp, rendered at 4k with additional frames, detail, and colour.


Anyhow, my rig does more than Cyberpunk and other game;, that is not why it exists. Its intended purpose dictated its design. When one has decent hardware and hits the wall of what the industry can and can't do - is when you can see the marketing gamesmanship and just how far we have NOT come.

 

[Nater]

My first thought: How nice it must be to not have any pets. Awesome build dude. I'd love to go all out like that someday, but my primary work program (SolidWorks) really gives two shits about more cores without getting into FEA/Rendering/Motion studies which I rarely do.

 

[venturi]

Resizable BAR support included

 

[purecain]

Sorry, I find that DLSS blurs my native resolution and some detail.. To each his own

DLSS 2.0 was better than the original DLSS -but rendering a lower resolution to emulate from training data on original resolution to reduce jaggies as a form of AA, -cannot be better than original resolution with something like TAA or MSAA AND preserve the higher detail 16x AF and original textures. DLSS is innovative but it is not a visually equal or better to the original in terms of detail, in example 4k, 5k or 8k native.

I would rather have the detail than the higher frame rate when I have a good higher resolution monitor.

I understand your point, but I was not seeking to turn this into another DLSS thread, there are already plenty of those.

Also, on my rig, my configuration, and my tweaks, I am getting frame rates a little higher than most doing their comparisons, and I'm ok with not using DLSS. The original point is that DLSS is at a lesser resolution than native and IMHO its in the same category as dynamic resolution and the like.
The rant part is that with RTX nvidia hypes DLSS in their marketing because with the current RTX implementation the performance is lackluster and use DLSS as a band aid to detract from that lackluster performance, and that is why its a cheat to aid their ray tracing marketing to have folks buy new cards. They even changed the name from GTX to RTX, but the performance didn't follow - in my humble opinion.

It would be a different conversation if DLSS maintained and built upon the native resolution, making it a visual enhancement, using algorithms to render greater detail
like those old black and white films from a century ago with the resolution of a postage stamp, rendered at 4k with additional frames, detail, and colour.


Anyhow, my rig does more than Cyberpunk and other game;, that is not why it exists. Its intended purpose dictated its design. When one has decent hardware and hits the wall of what the industry can and can't do - is when you can see the marketing gamesmanship and just how far we have NOT come.

Exactly, I was not blown away by the RTX3090. The Titan V is a much more solid card imo. It really was a work horse.

I feel like the RTX stuff cheats and i'm constantly telling myself not to be bothered by the fact im playing at a glorified 720p with DLSS.

It does bother me though because these new cards should be powerful enough not to have to use this sort of work around. If my V had DLSS it would of been as good as a 3070IMO(and I wouldn't of upgraded). Without you can only hit 30fps with RTX on. In that case RTX effects would of been accessible at 60fps+. That would of been a perfect use case scenario. Instead i'm using DLSS on my new card....
I was surprised at the quality of the image. But still...

 

[trickson]

So
it has take a few days to perfect. You know..cable management, alignment, SLI profile building, driver selection, and general tweaking.

So the build is:

2x 3090 rtx Founders Edition & SLI bridge
2x 8180M (56/112 cores
1.5 TB ram
Asus c621 Sage Dual socket motherboard
4x Raid Samsung 860 pro (4TB each, 16TB total) data and backups
1x Samsung 860 pro (4TB) data and backups
1x Sabrent 8TB nvme for Apps and Games
1x Sabrent 4TB nvme (OS)
1600W digital power supply
asus PA32UCX-P monitor
Thermaltake P1 micro ATX case (modified..heavily)
MS Windows Data Center 2020 for OS
1x pound of flesh and blood


I already had a lot of custom profiles for my quad SLI rig, so a few edits and I've been able to get SLI to work quite well.

I've moved my 1x 32GB Titan CEO ed and the othre 3x Titans to my wife's pc. Which is also a case mod clone of this machine, because it was my prior build.


So far, ...now that its all buttoned up, it seems quite a decent PC,
It very quiet, almost inaudible at idle, and creepily quite quiet under load..I like that. Provides no audible presence in room.

Temps are nice and cool, under load the cards have yet to get above 67C.
CPU run at about 41C under load, and RAM hovers at 55C under load.
NVME drives run 28C idle and 52C at the end of a full drive copy.

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WOW! Super AWESOME!
Absolute work of art my friend!
10/10!

 

[venturi]

Thank you, very appreciated.

So the 461.40 driver does have resizable bar support it turns out.
Of course it says no on resizable bar support because my cards are flashbacked to the 94.02.32.00.02
so I am going to wait for the one from nvidia presumably later this week.

I've grown weary of making paperweights out of unobtanium cards

 

[trickson]

Thank you, very appreciated.

So the 461.40 driver does have resizable bar support it turns out.
Of course it says no on resizable bar support because my cards are flashbacked to the 94.02.32.00.02
so I am going to wait for the one from nvidia presumably later this week.

I've grown weary of making paperweights out of unobtanium cards

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LOL.....

 

[venturi]

...EXACTLY!

 

[distortia]

What chair is that ? Does your back get sweaty?

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[FreedomEclipse]

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LOL.....

that looks to me like a 4870

 

[venturi]

What chair is that ? Does your back get sweaty?

It’s an “Iron Horse 12 hour chair”

it’s basically a heavy duty car seat with car seat adjustments - it’s super solid and is also very heavy
My back does not get sweaty or at least no more than usual




There have been some upgrades since the thread started:

I'm using 1.5TB of ram
upgraded to 2x intel Xeon 8280L processors
the 3090 RTX in SLI/NvLink are unchanged
The motherboard is revision 2.1x
Bios 9904 with Resizable Bar
C drive is a Sabrent TLC Rocket 4 plus
D drive is 4 Micron 9300 Max 12.8TB each (51.2 TB volume) using the U.2 connectors - Using VROC premium key
I have built in (hidden in the case) backup of a Samsung 860pro 4TB, as well as a network backup to a NAS in the house
Using VROC premium key
Running MS Data Center 2022 as the OS and Ubuntu

with the bios 9904 I was able to multiply and optimize the width of the communication lanes between devices as well as set other important customizations

To make it all work and have that in place it took a complete redesign just ti have it look similar to what I had before but a lot of base design was changed.

The dual 3090 RTXs sit several centimeters above the board compared to where cards normally rest. This required changing all the mounting points and supports for the cards. The video cards needed a custom bracket to hold them stable as they are several centimeters above the board.
This allowed for 4x u.2 connections for the micron 9300 nvme drives in raid
The C drive now has a large pure copper heatsink on it as well, under load it only reaches 40C, idle is 26C.
The 3090 RTXs also operate about 4-5 C' less than before temps. Under load they really don't go past 69C ever, most game play hover around 57-61C, application DL/ML may run the cards at max around 64-69C. The decrease in temperature is from the additional air channel between the video cards and the motherboard. Other temp decreases were inn the CPU, Ram and chipset.
Machine runs very quietly. Most fans ( including the GPUs) turn off at stable temps (auto settings from motherboard control other fans. CPUs at idle run about 23C (73F) in a 21C house (69-70). Under load they may reach as high as 44C, but not often.
To accommodate the 12.8 TB each 9300 nvme drives, I had to install two cooling fans internally to the design so as to have a quiet airflow over the 4 drives. This keeps the 51.2 TB nvme drives drives at around 39-41C under load and 33C at idle. The fans are quiet and invisible to the outside but I will also include a picture of that design.
There is a picture of a Macrium backup report showing the read speed of the C drive (Sabrent rocket 4 plus) to writing the backup to the NVME raid (Micron 9300 4x)


PC runs very silently

I hope this answers core questions

Thank you

J

 

[Miguel2013]

does your sli gpu link runs digger at 60fps?

 

[R-T-B]

does your sli gpu link runs digger at 60fps?

Does it need to for his job?

 

[Solaris17]

Man, the more I see it the more I love that case.

does your sli gpu link runs digger at 60fps?

This is the first (not oldest) game I ever played and have been looking for it for over 20 years thanks.

All I could remember was the song and that you dug. All I ever came up with was digdug.

 

[venturi]

Does it need to for his job?

If the game would generate a paycheck I'd be all over it.

 

[Toothless]

Is there a chance of trying out those dual Epyc setups? 256 threads seems like it would help.

 

[uco73]

So
it has take a few days to perfect. You know..cable management, alignment, SLI profile building, driver selection, and general tweaking.

So the build is:

2x 3090 rtx Founders Edition & SLI bridge
2x 8180M (56/112 cores
1.5 TB ram
Asus c621 Sage Dual socket motherboard
4x Raid Samsung 860 pro (4TB each, 16TB total) data and backups
1x Samsung 860 pro (4TB) data and backups
1x Sabrent 8TB nvme for Apps and Games
1x Sabrent 4TB nvme (OS)
1600W digital power supply
asus PA32UCX-P monitor
Thermaltake P1 micro ATX case (modified..heavily)
MS Windows Data Center 2020 for OS
1x pound of flesh and blood


I already had a lot of custom profiles for my quad SLI rig, so a few edits and I've been able to get SLI to work quite well.

I've moved my 1x 32GB Titan CEO ed and the othre 3x Titans to my wife's pc. Which is also a case mod clone of this machine, because it was my prior build.


So far, ...now that its all buttoned up, it seems quite a decent PC,
It very quiet, almost inaudible at idle, and creepily quite quiet under load..I like that. Provides no audible presence in room.

Temps are nice and cool, under load the cards have yet to get above 67C.
CPU run at about 41C under load, and RAM hovers at 55C under load.
NVME drives run 28C idle and 52C at the end of a full drive copy.

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One of the most powerful PC in the world!

 

[venturi]

Is there a chance of trying out those dual Epyc setups? 256 threads seems like it would help.

I tried the dual Epyc 7742 and gigabyte board

there are a lot of features missing that are common on the asus Sage board, but I also could not get the nvlink/sli to work, because it’s not sized/spaced appropriately and didn’t support it. can’t get the vroc raid and nvme drives to work natively, no onboard audio, and many other things
It wasn’t a bad build but could not get the dual 3090s to go on the dual epyc board and be nvlink/sli.

also, with just one card (3090) testing the dual epyc 7742 was slower than the dual Xeon 8280L build

I was disappointed, I really wanted it to work, but the only thing it had going for it was core count but with too many compromises

(did I mention the heat? That epyc build was an oven)

so now it’s going to be used as an PACS image server, (repurposed)

I tried

 

[Morbius2021]

Congrats on what appears to be a minimal RGB presence on your build, extreme on the component level but not on the lighting side.

Very nice wiring and keeping the build clean. Or did I just miss it? It appears the system wasn't powered on when the picture was taken.

?

PS, its been forever since I have seen one of those old Lian Li Billet Aluminum tower cases, had a custom build around 2003 that I put one of those together on. Loved the feel and build quality of that case back then but my only complaint on that one was that the PCI-e card slot screws would strip out if you overtightened them even a little.

Even long after I stopped using that case I kept it around because it was such a monster chunk of aluminum on the side panels. Couldn't bring myself to toss it.

 

[venturi]

Congrats on what appears to be a minimal RGB presence on your build, extreme on the component level but not on the lighting side.

Very nice wiring and keeping the build clean. Or did I just miss it? It appears the system wasn't powered on when the picture was taken.

?

PS, its been forever since I have seen one of those old Lian Li Billet Aluminum tower cases, had a custom build around 2003 that I put one of those together on. Loved the feel and build quality of that case back then but my only complaint on that one was that the PCI-e card slot screws would strip out if you overtightened them even a little.

Even long after I stopped using that case I kept it around because it was such a monster chunk of aluminum on the side panels. Couldn't bring myself to toss it.

Yes sir, several of the pictures are with power on, look for spinning fans and lights, look through thread

yes, I really did like my LianLi it was an aluminum artistic piece, similar in heaviness to the pre 2010 Mac Pro cases

 

[Toothless]

I tried the dual Epyc 7742 and gigabyte board

there are a lot of features missing that are common on the asus Sage board, but I also could not get the nvlink/sli to work, because it’s not sized/spaced appropriately and didn’t support it. can’t get the vroc raid and nvme drives to work natively, no onboard audio, and many other things
It wasn’t a bad build but could not get the dual 3090s to go on the dual epyc board and be nvlink/sli.

also, with just one card (3090) testing the dual epyc 7742 was slower than the dual Xeon 8280L build

I was disappointed, I really wanted it to work, but the only thing it had going for it was core count but with too many compromises

(did I mention the heat? That epyc build was an oven)

so now it’s being going to be used as an PACS image server, (repurposed)

I tried

That's what I've heard on why people won't switch to AMD for workstations. While the core itself is stronger the features are lacking. A buddy of mine is working on a 7700k and won't switch to something like a 5800x due to certain things not having support. Might be board related too but, it's something I keep hearing.

 

[biffzinker]

That's what I've heard on why people won't switch to AMD for workstations. While the core itself is stronger the features are lacking. A buddy of mine is working on a 7700k and won't switch to something like a 5800x due to certain things not having support. Might be board related too but, it's something I keep hearing.

Zen3 should be at ISA Parity with Intel besides AVX512 for desktop CPUS.

 

[Toothless]

Zen3 should be at ISA Parity with Intel besides AVX512 for desktop CPUS.

It was other instructions and features required for said person's work. Waiting on seeing what he wants to do either way.

 

[venturi]

While yes, the rig is an amazing gaming machine, its purpose (use Agent Smith's voice) lies elsewhere in clinical decision support (CDS) and machine learning (algorithms/training/ verification data) across medical image archives (PACS)/DICOM). For that specific purpose, the machine is built and exists, it also moonlights with isotope software - yes.... it can also surf the web and check email

While I use it for my work obligations, all these builds are mine, funded by me, and not from an employer. So before I switch or buy upgrades I always have to make sure the toys can generate income/ROI.

Hope that helps explain.