.... Yes. Very good. Both numbers, 12 and 18, are between 8 and 42! Like I said, you're going to see anything as low as 8% better and as high as 42% better. And yes, it's not always going to beat the 8800GTX (code optimization, anyone?), but considering that the R600 is reported to be shorter, a better performer, cooler, and the same price as the 8800GTX... I'll take the ATi, thank you very much. Edit: It's not worth giving up a quarter's tuition, mind you. I personally won't be buying one on the grounds that I'm a starving college student.