Elder Scrolls V SKYRIM !! 11-11-11

[horik]

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Live Action UK Trailer http://www.gamespot.com/showcases/elderscrollsV?sid=6341857&overridePid=615805

 

[BumbleBee]

awesome.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Yay

Such a good time to be a gamer.

 

[Horrux]

I want to see gameplay... SO BAD... At least BF3 is almost here, gonna take my mind off the wait for Skyrim.

On another note, Bethesda better not screw this one up, as this year they launched ONLY MAJOR FLOPS: Brink, Hunted: Demon's forge, and Rage. They screw this up, they could easily go belly-up IMO.

 

[WhiteNoise]

I want to see gameplay... SO BAD... At least BF3 is almost here, gonna take my mind off the wait for Skyrim.

On another note, Bethesda better not screw this one up, as this year they launched ONLY MAJOR FLOPS: Brink, Hunted: Demon's forge, and Rage. They screw this up, they could easily go belly-up IMO.

Rage is by no means a MAJOR FLOP.

Skyrim is going to rock. Gameinformer did a hands on article and the reviewer seemed very impressed. I'm really looking forward to this and I even scheduled a vacation day for the release.

 

[Black Panther]

On another note, Bethesda better not screw this one up, as this year they launched ONLY MAJOR FLOPS: Brink, Hunted: Demon's forge, and Rage. They screw this up, they could easily go belly-up IMO.

That's my greatest fear. They've been promising release on the (quite awesome) date of 11-11-11 for long months now. They have to release it because a later date would spoil everything. I hope they don't release a game which won't be playable before 10 updates and patches...

 

[Horrux]

Rage is by no means a MAJOR FLOP.

I beg to differ. On Metacritic, the average of 641 user ratings rises all the way up to 4.0/10. On PS3 it gets a better user score: 5.3. And finally the mindless kiddies on Xbox 360 give it a 6.4 which is by no means good.

I call that a major, major flop.

Had it been a 1-million-dollar production, these scores would be OK. But RAGE had huge development costs and was touted as one of the major releases of this year, all categories included.

Now it may have sold initially but given those scores, I'm sure sales have plummeted and will recover only fractionally with patches.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

I'm really looking forward to this and I even scheduled a vacation day for the release.

Yeah I tried, and am doing starting tomorrow for BF3, but our other IT guy was already scheduled to be out (for some other reason lol). So I took a couple days the following week, need to use or lose anyway.

 

[Kreij]

Since it's release earlier this month (can't even get a full months data on it yet) the combined retail sales are over 800K units. At the majority of the sales being for XBox and PS3, and the typical pricing of $60 for consoles games, rage is probably looking at an income of $50M in less than a month. This is hardly a major flop. Metacritic scores have nothing to do with sales numbers and net profits.

You also have to remember that this is new IP. This always caries a higher risk of acceptance in the markets and many times take some time to iron out issues. You cannot compare it to the likes of a Starcraft or BF/Cod release that which has had time to establish a franchise.

I pretty confident that Bethesda as a publisher and developer is not suffering greatly.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Horrux]

^^^
I'm hoping your're right. I wouldn't be surprised if development budget were around the $150 million mark, and add advertising on top.

 

[WhiteNoise]

Yeah I tried, and am doing starting tomorrow for BF3, but our other IT guy was already scheduled to be out (for some other reason lol). So I took a couple days the following week, need to use or lose anyway.

I wish I would have thought to schedule a day off for BF3. I'll be picking up my copy at 12:01am today/tomorrow. I'll play a bit till 2am then hit the sack for work.

I have weekends off and Skyrim releases on a Friday. I have a half day at work on the 10th and the 11th off so that will be a nice break to get some Skyrim action in. Can't wait!

As for RAGE being a big flop I don't think that the metecritic user scores are accurate. When the game released there were so many issues that people went out of their way to complain, bitch. moan, write poor reviews, swear off the game, threaten to kill Carmack...etc.. a couple patches later and the game runs and plays nearly flawless and it is fun. I've really enjoyed it. Many people IMO reacted prematurely due to their frustrations.

 

[Kreij]

^^^
I'm hoping your're right. I wouldn't be surprised if development budget were around the $150 million mark, and add advertising on top.

I have no idea what the IP, development and advertising costs were for Rage. There seems to be no real data available other than pure speculation.

That being said, with a solid commitment to the game and continued work, it could easily become a franchise commodity (Rage II, Rage III, etc.) There have been several instances where the initial IP did not live up to expections but someone had a vision and turned it into a cash cow. I think that Carmack was right when they developed this game first and foremost for consoles (although he was crucified in the PC community). With a new IP, that will help mitigate lower sales from an unknown quantity. The PC sales for Rage are not good (<80K retail as of last week), but that was not their target platform. That could all turn around with a little TLC for the PC crowd.

Skyrim will do well. You can see that by the otherwise critical members of TPU gamers screaming "HELL YEAH !!!" It will have bumps and hurdles to overcome that appear on lauch, and will take some lambasting, but they are not going to let their "golden goose" faulter. THAT would be a HUGE mistake on Zenimax's part, and neither Zenimax nor Bethesda are stupid companies.

Note : The numbers I've thrown out are for retail sales. There is no information on digital dstribution sales that I can find.

 

[Horrux]

I have seen dev cost numbers on a few games. The most recent one was for GTA IV, which happened a few years ago for sure, and cost $135m. That's a lotta moolah.

 

[Kreij]

You are absolutelu correct, Horrux. That is a phenominal amount of money to risk on a project, but then GTA is a known cash producing franchise and from a risk assessment standpoint they obviously thought the ROI was viable.

If Zenimax risked a horrendous amount of money simply on Id's name, that is a whole nother story. No developer is so good they cannot fail with a product.

 

[BumbleBee]

I beg to differ. On Metacritic, the average of 641 user ratings rises all the way up to 4.0/10. On PS3 it gets a better user score: 5.3. And finally the mindless kiddies on Xbox 360 give it a 6.4 which is by no means good.

I call that a major, major flop.

Had it been a 1-million-dollar production, these scores would be OK. But RAGE had huge development costs and was touted as one of the major releases of this year, all categories included.

Now it may have sold initially but given those scores, I'm sure sales have plummeted and will recover only fractionally with patches.

people have to review games as is not a week later when a patch is released. the XBOX 360 scored higher because it was better out of the box. I never read the user reviews on Metacritic.

 

[Horrux]

people have to review games as is not a week later when a patch is released. the XBOX 360 scored higher because it was better out of the box. I never read the user reviews on Metacritic.

You must accumulate a lot of misguided buys then.

 

[BumbleBee]

not at all. I read reviews by critics and listen to podcasts.

 

[ViperXTR]

its almost here! >8D

gotta finish XenoBlade Chronicles before this thing arrives

 

[Horrux]

its almost here! >8D

gotta finish XenoBlade Chronicles before this thing arrives

Got Dark Messiah of Might & Magic for my girl and I. For some reason it doesn't run OK on my rig but works great on hers. Combat in there is like that of Oblivion, only MUCH better. She's happy doing that until Skyrim hits. That game is unsurprisingly good, given its user score on metacritic.

Never heard about Xenoblade, any good?

 

[ViperXTR]

kinda OT:

Never heard about Xenoblade, any good?

Xenoblade Chronicles is only for the Wii (im only running it on Dolphin Wii emulator in HD). From the makers of Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Xenosaga and FF3/4/6 afaik so yeah, its basically a jRPG.
Im someone who last enjoyed jRPG in the PS1 and SNES times, PS2 based and later jRPGs felt more jpop/"moe" oriented and extremely tunnel/linear style gameplay, didn't liked it at all (FF13 anyone?).
Xenoblade is an open word-like RPG with massive landscapes where you can traverse anywhere you want and it has an imaginative world (you live on the body of a dead massive god/titan). Gameplay is semi sandbox style, there is gem crafting, the typical rpg armor/weapon customization, FF12 like combat (except better), affinity/friendship/relationship aspects, save anywhere(!!), fast travel (well you can fast travel like in oblivion/FO3/NV since teh world is too huge), day and night cycle (affects the enemies,characters and quests), side quests (lots), surprise and hidden quests, etc.
Btw affinity/friendship between playable characters (and even NPCs) can play a large role during combat, gem crafting etc.

sorry for the OT post hehe, im just enjoying the game while waiting for Skyrim, its like how a Jrpg would look/feel like if it made a sandbox rpg like oblivion/morrowind/skyrim

Oh and the reviews of Xenoblade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoblade#Reception_and_release

PS. the game environment looks really nice in Dolphin Wii emulator, draw distance is crazy sometimes.

 

[Captain.Abrecan]

Taken from eusp.net:
"Wolfie wrote:
Maybe its just me but morrowind did not have that great of quest, the storys where good but the quest where generic, get this grab that, while olbi tend to have more uniuqe ones"

"I agree with this. It is probably Oblivion's greatest strength over Morrowind IMO. Quality>Quantity."

Does anyone really think that? None of Oblivion's quests mattered at all. Morrowind was tediously linked together like LOTR.

Is there any reason to think that Skyrim's quests will be any better? The radiant story thing is going to fabricate a lot of them out of thin air, with no backstory.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Taken from eusp.net:
"Wolfie wrote:
Maybe its just me but morrowind did not have that great of quest, the storys where good but the quest where generic, get this grab that, while olbi tend to have more uniuqe ones"

"I agree with this. It is probably Oblivion's greatest strength over Morrowind IMO. Quality>Quantity."

Does anyone really think that? None of Oblivion's quests mattered at all. Morrowind was tediously linked together like LOTR.

Is there any reason to think that Skyrim's quests will be any better? The radiant story thing is going to fabricate a lot of them out of thin air, with no backstory.

I loved their quests in morrowind and the amount of detail they put in their quest/story line/lore is unprecedented. There is so much shit in Morrowind that if you think you know it all you probably haven't even learned/discovered half.

 

[ViperXTR]

Dark Brotherhood quests are prolly one of the better if not the best sidequests in oblivion, other than that its not much, but i spend ~300hrs on it anyway (modded) lol.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Getting really stoked for this. Havent preordered holding out for another sale. Missed the Newegg one in August.

 

[ViperXTR]

meh, preordered it already lol, no backing out now.