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What I'm hearing from a lot of people that keep posting about non-Twitter related stuff, you don't like Elon Musk.

Elon Musk now owns Twitter, if you don't like him don't support him through Twitter or Tesla or whatever other company he's part of or owns. I don't like social media. I don't support Facebook or Twitter or TikTok and whatever other social media things that are out there.
 
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Hi,
Twitter former ceo likes the buyout.

No wonder:
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Well this escalated fast, mods to the rescue @the54thvoid !

Yeah, I'm personally trying to keep this related to Musk alone. There's plenty of general Twitter topics to talk about, but I have a feeling its not actually "Twitter" people want to talk about, and more about "general politics that happen to involve Twitter".

I feel like sticking to the Elon Musk topic could focus the topic? Apologies for the meta-post, but I just wanna be clear from the perspective of "what this topic should be about".
 

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Thread locked while I clean out the political stuff.

It's very hard to word a response to those people involved in the politcal bickering and baiting, apart from to say that it's in the TPU guidelines to avoid politics. The reason for that is simple and has been adequately highlighted in this thread. This isn't a debating chamber where reason is allowed to be heard; it's a playground where one side throws a stone and the other throws a bottle back. There's no room for discussion. It's made worse by some very polarised views from both sides. In short, when it comes to political posts, they just contaminate the thread.

I've left the content about Musk and his work conditions and the racial comments, though to be fair to the white guy with the Kenyan wife, you sort of have to remember that the European colonies did a really bad number on the natives of the respective countries they 'civilised.' Animosity goes both ways and in some cases it's centuries old.

Thread reopened but those who wish to troll, bait, or continue to fight will receive points and a reply ban. I don't care what side you're on.
 
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Hi,
Musk would have to clean/ gut twitters overview house to achieve anything free speech wise.
 
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Good platform for him to promote and advertise his tesla compagny

Also rich people use to buy news papers compagnies.

nowaday, they buy social media/digital platform
 
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No political posts. You want to be partisan, go post on a social media platform. Feel free to discuss Musk and whatever you think of him.

Hmmm... are you advertising Twitter? :) After all, we all can go to Twitter and post messages directly to Musk's account to tell him how we feel, lol.

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Musk would have to clean/ gut twitters overview house to achieve anything free speech wise.
What makes you believe he's interested in anyone elses free speech? He does nothing, if it doesn't ultimately benefit himself. He could care less about the peasants on twitter.

BTW why would I ignore? When its so much easier to simply hit report and make it go away for all of us? Hmmm
 
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Hi,
He typed his view on how he plans/ wants to change twitter for the better for free speech is why
Did you not read the article :laugh:
 
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He typed his view on how he plans/ wants to change twitter for the better for free speech is why
Did you not read the article :laugh:

He certainly didn't give much free speech protection to any of his African American workers in his Tesla plant. Quoting the same document I've been quoting from (it really is a goldmine...)


The supervisor then retaliated against the Black worker, accosting her, writing her up, and then calling security on her for being purportedly “belligerent.” Even after Black and/or African American workers were transferred to a different area, retaliation by Defendants’ management still persisted because management had the ability to simply walk over to the new post and harass the complainants.

Retaliation for complaints is a pervasive issue in Tesla. As such, I don't think I can trust Elon Musk with handling free speech issues on a larger scale. He cannot even handle it within one of his own companies.

If a worker complains about racism, you don't tip-off their supervisor and allow the supervisor to harass the worker even further. Protecting the "speech" of your workers takes effort and cultural work... work that the Tesla middle-managers were incompetent at handling (too little HR? A lack of care by higher executives? I dunno. But speech is not an easy issue, and Elon Musk's lazy style of management likely won't do him or Twitter any favors)
 

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True that brother :)
I think the world is going insane recently and there is no way out of it.

Hopefully i will be dead before it truly goes postal.
 
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Remember in past Everyone praised Mark Zuckerberg ? Now after 15 years look where he is. mark my word he becomes another Mark Zuckerberg but opposite in 10~20 years later , too many Elon fan in twitter

Never ever trust any Billionaire
 

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He has said he wants free speech in twitter, basically means, rascist bigoted possibly neo nazi bullshit. Let's hope not eh.
 
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Hi,
Free speech is not restricted
Outside of announcing a killing spree all should be treated the same.
Fact checker has also turned into a half truth advocate for one side even though both views are usually half truths only one side can live :laugh:
 
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Remember in past Everyone praised Mark Zuckerberg ? Now after 15 years look where he is. mark my word he becomes another Mark Zuckerberg but opposite in 10~20 years later , too many Elon fan in twitter

Never ever trust any Billionaire

Trust but verify. I think billionaires can be trusted, but only after they've proven themselves to the public. I think most billionaires are in fact, fine people. (In fact: if billionaires really wanted to screw over the world / this country, they absolutely have the power to do so). Most billionaires are neutral and/or even beneficial to the world IMO. There's a couple of bad actors in elite society however.

Even when we get to things like political donations or whatever, its good that billionaires are interested in politics and have... like... beliefs? Having both the money and moral aptitude to do something to the political environment is a good thing. Where things go wrong is when people are self-serving. Typical political donations IMO are those billionaires trying to help IMO, because the system is pay-to-win right now. So we do rely upon billionaires to fund the correct political candidates in our system.

If they really wanted to mess up our politics, they have the money to fund worse actors than who we have.

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My beef with Musk is due to his pattern of behavior over the last decade. I think I've seen enough to conclude him to be a self-serving bad actor without a doubt. But it should be noted that even self-serving bad-actors can turn over a new leaf and become productive in the long term. PT Barnum himself was a terrible actor for many decades, until late in life when he seemed to become a good philanthropist. With any luck, I'd like to see someone like Elon Musk grow up and actually become someone to truly look up to. For now, he's got this toxic tech-bro persona that's really not helpful to him or his followers.
 
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Hi,
Kind of hope Musk buys CNN and straightens out it
Should be pennies on the dollar to acquire it :laugh:
 
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Look, the buyout is cool to an extent. I do think he will make changes and for the better. Not a fan of twitter or most social media by any means but if we are using it as a way to get messages across for all kinds of topics, it needs to be much more open. It was pretty clear the ban hammer was only going one way, you can hate content/hateful messages, misinformation, etc all you want but it has to be all or nothing or you risk alienating half your audience which was happening and making it hard to grow the platform beyond what it was stuck at.

My beef with Musk is due to his pattern of behavior over the last decade. I think I've seen enough to conclude him to be a self-serving bad actor without a doubt. But it should be noted that even self-serving bad-actors can turn over a new leaf and become productive in the long term. PT Barnum himself was a terrible actor for many decades, until late in life when he seemed to become a good philanthropist. With any luck, I'd like to see someone like Elon Musk grow up and actually become someone to truly look up to. For now, he's got this toxic tech-bro persona that's really not helpful to him or his followers.
Well I highly doubt Musk is doing this for the betterment of society (At least that its not his primary goal), I don't believe Musk is a bad person or a racist. I think he knows how to make money and is probably going to use Twitter to gain more money at the end of the day whether its by making the platform profitable or using it in a way to change peoples minds/lobby towards different sides. Musk is what he is, a crazy billionaire who knows how to make money and has made so much he can do crazy exploits/firsts into fields that will make him even more. But the whole Tesla and California cases are not proof of anything, there's a reason he and many other companies are leaving California.
 
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Hi,
Twitters been lying about it's user stats, lost nearly half it's worth and it's not surprising seeing they've been alienating half the USA users.
Musk is trying to save twitter and his and others investment.
 
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I don't believe Musk is a bad person or a racist

This racism thing has only really come up because of this major court case. I'm willing to defer for the results of the "Department of Fair Employment and Housing vs Tesla Inc" court case is finished, but I don't have much hopes of it from the Tesla side frankly.

Supporting segregation in 2012 through 2022 is absolutely a racist act, and I'm willing to call Musk racist for doing that. Yes, this is extreme language, but the evidence is truly extraordinary. The segregation debate is long settled from decades ago (both in the USA, and in Elon Musk's original country South Africa). Like, who even does that anymore aside from Elon Musk?

Because the factory was racially segregated, Defendants’ workers referred to the areas where many Black and/or African Americans worked as the “porch monkey station.” Defendants’ workers with tattoos of the Confederate flag made their racially incendiary tattoos visible to intimidate Black and/or African American workers. Racial slurs were also dispensed in Spanish and included “mayate” and “negrita.” Additionally, Defendants’ workers referred to the Tesla factory as the “slaveship” or “the plantation,” where Defendants’ production leads “crack[ed] the whip.” Many Black and/or African American workers understood these terms to be references to how Defendants treated its Black and/or African American workers. One Black worker heard these racial slurs as often as 50-100 times a day.

Paragraph #36: https://www.dfeh.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2022/02/DFEH-vs-Tesla.pdf

Perhaps there's one point: this is "against Tesla", and not necessarily against Elon Musk himself. But since Elon Musk is CEO, largest-shareholder, and Chairman of the Board, he is effectively the dictator of Tesla, and therefore responsible for its organization. Tesla acting in a racist manner transitively reflects upon its chief-operating officer, its board, and its shareholders. All three of them are the same person in this case: Elon Musk.
 
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Yeah, I'm personally trying to keep this related to Musk alone. There's plenty of general Twitter topics to talk about, but I have a feeling its not actually "Twitter" people want to talk about, and more about "general politics that happen to involve Twitter".

I feel like sticking to the Elon Musk topic could focus the topic? Apologies for the meta-post, but I just wanna be clear from the perspective of "what this topic should be about".
The problem is, these topics aren't really separable. Musk is buying Twitter for political reasons, and he has a long history of throwing his money around when his politics and actions are criticized. Also, hate it or hate it, social media are now a crucial portion of global infrastructure, and there are severe political implications to these media being in the hands of billionaire owners with potentially dangerous political agendas. Of course Twitter and Musk are by no means unique in this regard, but he does have a particular penchant for drama and hissy-fits over perceived slights, and seemingly an easily bruised ego. Like it or not, this ties directly into "general politics".

Hi,
Free speech is not restricted
The definition of free speech is speech that is not restricted or censored by the government. Freedom of speech literally does not apply on any privately held platform (within legal bounds). It is entirely legal to restrict speech far more strictly on a private platform than what the government can do for the puclic in any society with strong free speech laws - because that's not what those laws apply to. A restaurant can bar you from shouting loudly on their premises, or from wearing a shirt that breaks their dress code. Neither are restrictions on free speech.

Also, even freedom of speech did apply to private spaces, there would always be restrictions on speech. Threats of violence or murder are for example illegal in most countries. Slander is typically also, though these laws vary wildly in scope. Plenty of others too - in most countries you are compelled to identify yourself to police, for example (and compelled speech is equally in breach of "free speech" as restricted speech). Plenty of other examples too.
Outside of announcing a killing spree all should be treated the same.
So, say, you would be in favor of these forums being entirely unmoderated, and with them not having a block function? Because by your definition, both are restrictions on freedom of speech.
Fact checker has also turned into a half truth advocate for one side even though both views are usually half truths only one side can live :laugh:
That ... is such a blatantly untrue statement that it just shows your massive bias. Serious fact checkers (like, say, Snopes.com) are in no way advocates for anything beyond facts. The problem you're describing is, as Steven Colbert famously put it a long time ago, that reality has a well known liberal bias. The main problem here is with so-called "conservatives" (who, depending on their beliefs, these days tend to span the spectrum from reactionaries to religious extremists to flat-out fascists) being oh-so deeply offended by the very existence of certain things and people in the world, and viewing these as inherently evil in various ways. And from this, they make up all kinds of scary stories to make other people agree with them ("trans women are assaulting cis women in bathrooms" - literally never happened; "children are harmed by early sex ed" - there is broad scientific consensus that early sex ed is broadly beneficial to the mental health, self-image and social skills of children; the same applies to nearly all right-wing rhetoric) - pure-bred scare tactics with minimal basis in any kind of truth. Or, as Kellyanne Conway put it, "alterative facts". That's what you make up when you know you're wrong but you really want to stay in power (and ideally also hurt the people you hate).
Trust but verify. I think billionaires can be trusted, but only after they've proven themselves to the public. I think most billionaires are in fact, fine people. (In fact: if billionaires really wanted to screw over the world / this country, they absolutely have the power to do so). Most billionaires are neutral and/or even beneficial to the world IMO. There's a couple of bad actors in elite society however.

Even when we get to things like political donations or whatever, its good that billionaires are interested in politics and have... like... beliefs? Having both the money and moral aptitude to do something to the political environment is a good thing. Where things go wrong is when people are self-serving. Typical political donations IMO are those billionaires trying to help IMO, because the system is pay-to-win right now. So we do rely upon billionaires to fund the correct political candidates in our system.

If they really wanted to mess up our politics, they have the money to fund worse actors than who we have.
Wait ... have you been paying attention to the world for the past, say, half century? Stagnant wages for all but the richest; mounting environmental disasters in every direction; massive concentrations of wealth; ever-increasing undemocratic concentration of power with the wealthy (comes with the concentration of wealth, to a large degree) - the list goes on (and on, and on and on and on and on). The response to your "if billionaires wanted to screw over the world, they absolutely have the power to do so" is quite simple: yes, they have been busy doing so for a long, long time!

As for it being good that billionaires have beliefs ... not really. Seriously. Their enormous wealth gives them massive power to influence the world in deeply troubling and fundamentally antidemocratic ways, and for the vast majority of situations this power is used to further enrich themselves at the cost of ordinary people and the environment. Fighting health or environmental regulations, fighting unionization, fighting minimum wage increases, fighting people who they disagree with politically (in ways like buying newspapers or ... social media ...) - this isn't new. You're speaking of this as if it's all theoretical, while it has been reality for decades already.

The best thing would be for billionaires to just not exist. The mantra of them bringing the world forward is objectively untrue - most of their innovations are based on publicly funded research, and their wealth is mostly a result of beneficial conditions (such as inheriting wealth), timing, and luck. They aren't special or unique, just privileged and lucky. Entirely replaceable, and more harmful than beneficial to society.
My beef with Musk is due to his pattern of behavior over the last decade. I think I've seen enough to conclude him to be a self-serving bad actor without a doubt. But it should be noted that even self-serving bad-actors can turn over a new leaf and become productive in the long term. PT Barnum himself was a terrible actor for many decades, until late in life when he seemed to become a good philanthropist. With any luck, I'd like to see someone like Elon Musk grow up and actually become someone to truly look up to. For now, he's got this toxic tech-bro persona that's really not helpful to him or his followers.
So if you spend decades mistreating thousands of workers, robbing the societies you operate in of their wealth in order to hoard it for yourself, this is somehow alleviated if you give away some of it later? Yeah, sorry, you're being way too lenient. Heck, look at how billionaire wealth has exploded during the pandemic while essentially everyone else has struggled to get by - or just died. Billionaires are grifters sucking the lifeblood out of society, and their supposed benefits pale in comparison to the harm they do, whether directly or indirectly.
 
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Wait ... have you been paying attention to the world for the past, say, half century?

Yup, though probably different parts of the world than you. As my parents are from the Philippines, I've taken some effort to study the country my family came from. The rich over there handle things differently than here in America.




Lets just say that my idea of "harmful billionaires" is seemingly calibrated differently than your definition of "harmful billionaires". I don't necessarily want to disagree with what you posted here, but I feel like this is important context. I don't really want to bring in the discussion of global warming or other world issues, but instead I'm willing to point out that my basis for "harmful billionaires" is literally assassinating political opponents, bribing the judiciary and getting away with it Scott-free. (My father's side of the family was politically active as well, so these assassinations are literally is what caused my family to emigrate to America, and is a fundamental story of my family's history).

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Bringing it back to the Elon Musk thing, I see Musk as slightly net-negative as a billionaire. He's clearly a good hype-man and good at leading crowds, but he uses those skills in self-serving idiotic ways. They're not necessarily "evil", but not "good" either. He seeks controversy in most cases. The racism thing is relatively new to me, and I'm trying to stay on top of that story as details come out. Depending on how badly Tesla was done, my opinion of Musk will change of course. But if all this evidence stands trial, my opinion of Musk will drop significantly.

But he's not like, Marcos family-level evil, if you get my drift. The level of issues Musk is at could be corrected over the next decades if Musk himself turns over a new leaf. I mean, this whole Tesla-racism thing seems like it could be solved by a decent HR department, the abolition of internal-segregation, and hiring a few African Americans to executive level positions, and listening to their opinions. Its an eminently solvable problem if Elon Musk gave even a little bit of care over it...
 
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This racism thing has only really come up because of this major court case. I'm willing to defer for the results of the "Department of Fair Employment and Housing vs Tesla Inc" court case is finished, but I don't have much hopes of it from the Tesla side frankly.

Supporting segregation in 2012 through 2022 is absolutely a racist act, and I'm willing to call Musk racist for doing that. Yes, this is extreme language, but the evidence is truly extraordinary. The segregation debate is long settled from decades ago (both in the USA, and in Elon Musk's original country South Africa). Like, who even does that anymore aside from Elon Musk?



Paragraph #36: https://www.dfeh.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2022/02/DFEH-vs-Tesla.pdf

Perhaps there's one point: this is "against Tesla", and not necessarily against Elon Musk himself. But since Elon Musk is CEO, largest-shareholder, and Chairman of the Board, he is effectively the dictator of Tesla, and therefore responsible for its organization. Tesla acting in a racist manner transitively reflects upon its chief-operating officer, its board, and its shareholders. All three of them are the same person in this case: Elon Musk.
I press X to doubt... Remember alot of this in the case is based on assertations by defendants without serious proof (IE voice recordings, video recordings, etc). Also an employee being racist is not reflective of the company as a whole. Not to mention you have to realize that in this day and age it would be very crazy to try something like that especially in such a huge way as getting caught would inevitable. Were not talking like this was from the 1960's, were talking about 2012. I highly doubt Musk even if he was a horrible racist would do it because he knows it would come to bite him and harm his margins in the end. It can come down to simple statistics when it comes to board rooms for instance.
The problem is, these topics aren't really separable. Musk is buying Twitter for political reasons, and he has a long history of throwing his money around when his politics and actions are criticized. Also, hate it or hate it, social media are now a crucial portion of global infrastructure, and there are severe political implications to these media being in the hands of billionaire owners with potentially dangerous political agendas. Of course Twitter and Musk are by no means unique in this regard, but he does have a particular penchant for drama and hissy-fits over perceived slights, and seemingly an easily bruised ego. Like it or not, this ties directly into "general politics".


The definition of free speech is speech that is not restricted or censored by the government. Freedom of speech literally does not apply on any privately held platform (within legal bounds). It is entirely legal to restrict speech far more strictly on a private platform than what the government can do for the puclic in any society with strong free speech laws - because that's not what those laws apply to. A restaurant can bar you from shouting loudly on their premises, or from wearing a shirt that breaks their dress code. Neither are restrictions on free speech.

Also, even freedom of speech did apply to private spaces, there would always be restrictions on speech. Threats of violence or murder are for example illegal in most countries. Slander is typically also, though these laws vary wildly in scope. Plenty of others too - in most countries you are compelled to identify yourself to police, for example (and compelled speech is equally in breach of "free speech" as restricted speech). Plenty of other examples too.

So, say, you would be in favor of these forums being entirely unmoderated, and with them not having a block function? Because by your definition, both are restrictions on freedom of speech.

That ... is such a blatantly untrue statement that it just shows your massive bias. Serious fact checkers (like, say, Snopes.com) are in no way advocates for anything beyond facts. The problem you're describing is, as Steven Colbert famously put it a long time ago, that reality has a well known liberal bias. The main problem here is with so-called "conservatives" (who, depending on their beliefs, these days tend to span the spectrum from reactionaries to religious extremists to flat-out fascists) being oh-so deeply offended by the very existence of certain things and people in the world, and viewing these as inherently evil in various ways. And from this, they make up all kinds of scary stories to make other people agree with them ("trans women are assaulting cis women in bathrooms" - literally never happened; "children are harmed by early sex ed" - there is broad scientific consensus that early sex ed is broadly beneficial to the mental health, self-image and social skills of children; the same applies to nearly all right-wing rhetoric) - pure-bred scare tactics with minimal basis in any kind of truth. Or, as Kellyanne Conway put it, "alterative facts". That's what you make up when you know you're wrong but you really want to stay in power (and ideally also hurt the people you hate).

Wait ... have you been paying attention to the world for the past, say, half century? Stagnant wages for all but the richest; mounting environmental disasters in every direction; massive concentrations of wealth; ever-increasing undemocratic concentration of power with the wealthy (comes with the concentration of wealth, to a large degree) - the list goes on (and on, and on and on and on and on). The response to your "if billionaires wanted to screw over the world, they absolutely have the power to do so" is quite simple: yes, they have been busy doing so for a long, long time!

As for it being good that billionaires have beliefs ... not really. Seriously. Their enormous wealth gives them massive power to influence the world in deeply troubling and fundamentally antidemocratic ways, and for the vast majority of situations this power is used to further enrich themselves at the cost of ordinary people and the environment. Fighting health or environmental regulations, fighting unionization, fighting minimum wage increases, fighting people who they disagree with politically (in ways like buying newspapers or ... social media ...) - this isn't new. You're speaking of this as if it's all theoretical, while it has been reality for decades already.

The best thing would be for billionaires to just not exist. The mantra of them bringing the world forward is objectively untrue - most of their innovations are based on publicly funded research, and their wealth is mostly a result of beneficial conditions (such as inheriting wealth), timing, and luck. They aren't special or unique, just privileged and lucky. Entirely replaceable, and more harmful than beneficial to society.

So if you spend decades mistreating thousands of workers, robbing the societies you operate in of their wealth in order to hoard it for yourself, this is somehow alleviated if you give away some of it later? Yeah, sorry, you're being way too lenient. Heck, look at how billionaire wealth has exploded during the pandemic while essentially everyone else has struggled to get by - or just died. Billionaires are grifters sucking the lifeblood out of society, and their supposed benefits pale in comparison to the harm they do, whether directly or indirectly.
Ok dude, that whole speech is... very political, I would avoid otherwise it starts up fights unnecessarily.

That being said, this forum allows everyone to share a viewpoint in regards to computer parts, help, etc. They moderate people cussing eachother out, threats, etc and I doubt that part will change with Twitter or here. What your comparing would be like if the forum decided to ban people who said things negative about AMD or positive about Intel and hid posts/ deleted posts showing Intel being better. Or in your Snopes comparison, putting an addendum on articles claiming the 12900KS being the fastest gaming processor with a "Mostly False" rating because the 5800X3D wins in certain areas/games.
 
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