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European Commission Publishes Decision Concerning Intel's Abuse of Dominant Position

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The European Commission has today published a non-confidential version of its Intel Decision, adopted on 13 May 2009 ( IP/09/745 and MEMO/09/235 ), together with a summary of the key elements of the Decision. That Decision found that Intel broke EC Treaty antitrust rules (Article 82) by engaging in two types of illegal practice to exclude competitors from the market for computer chips called x86 central processing units (CPUs). These practices harmed consumers throughout the EEA. By undermining its competitors’ ability to compete on the merits of their products, Intel’s actions undermined competition, reduced consumer choice and hindered innovation. On the basis of a significant amount of contemporaneous evidence and company statements, the Decision demonstrates how Intel broke the law.

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I bet by the time they're done battling it out in court, the x86 cpu market will be legacy.
 
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Pwned.
 
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Intel payments to Acer were conditioned on Acer postponing the launch of an AMD-based notebook from September 2003 to January 2004. For example, in a September 2003 email, an Intel executive reported: "good news just came from [Acer Senior Executive] that Acer decides to drop AMD K8 [notebook product] throughout 2003 around the world. We've been talking with them all the way up to [Intel senior executive] 's […] level recently including [Intel executive] , [Intel senior executive] … and [Intel executive]… . They keep pushing back until today, after the call with [Intel executive] this morning, [Acer Senior Executive] just confirmed that they decide to drop AMD K8 throughout 2003 around the world. [Acer Senior Executive] has got this direction from [Acer Senior Executive] as well and will follow through in EMEA [Europe Middle East and Africa region]".

Drop Athlon 64 ??? in 2003 :confused:
that directly makes customers get slower pcs :eek:
 
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A fine of EUR 1 060 000 000 has been imposed on Intel Corporation for the infringement

Ow^^
that must have hurt someone;)
 
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Here goes another 50 pages of nerd rage fighting points no one truly understands.
 

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It's sad to see that this was happening in 2004 when AMD really had the top of the rung CPU's, you can see Intel was shaking in their boots. The market share they could have snatched if this crap wasn't going on, it would have been a lot :(
 
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Here goes another 50 pages of nerd rage fighting points no one truly understands.
Unless you're saying that those executives from Dell, HP, and Lenovo are flat-out lying, it seems pretty open and shut to me. :wtf: Intel did a bad thing, and they got caught. :laugh:

Though, I don't doubt there's going to be 50 pages of nerd rage.
 

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intel did it and i dont consider it bad. my belief is that if you have a problem with a business using these types of practices then you have a problem with business in general. of course, you could always start your own business to run intel out of the market.
 
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Unless you're saying that those executives from Dell, HP, and Lenovo are flat-out lying, it seems pretty open and shut to me. :wtf: Intel did a bad thing, and they got caught. :laugh:

Though, I don't doubt there's going to be 50 pages of nerd rage.
Oh, he's just mad because he can't troll his anti-EU drivel any more ;)
 
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intel did it and i dont consider it bad. my belief is that if you have a problem with a business using these types of practices then you have a problem with business in general. of course, you could always start your own business to run intel out of the market.
I just want to clarify this:

You have no problem with a monopoly abusing its position to force customers to buy products from it that are slower, more expensive, and worse performing?

I'm not trying to say you're wrong -- but if that's what you actually believe, I just want to make sure of it.
 
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tsk tsk tsk. greedy bastards
 

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I just want to clarify this:

You have no problem with a monopoly abusing its position to force customers to buy products from it that are slower, more expensive, and worse performing?

I'm not trying to say you're wrong -- but if that's what you actually believe, I just want to make sure of it.
first off, intel is not a monopoly. AMD is their competition. second off, amd is an inferior company in all respects, that is not intel's fault. thirdly, companies are not forced to buy intel products simply because intel offers a rebate or threatens to stop selling or any other number of savvy business tactics. the third party vendors could have still gone with AMD. in fact, had they organized themselves properly, AMD and their vendors could have beaten back intel. but as i said, AMD is an inferior company that must rely on the govt to protect its business.
 
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first off, intel is not a monopoly. AMD is their competition. second off, amd is an inferior company in all respects, that is not intel's fault. thirdly, companies are not forced to buy intel products simply because intel offers a rebate or threatens to stop selling or any other number of savvy business tactics. the third party vendors could have still gone with AMD. in fact, had they organized themselves properly, AMD and their vendors could have beaten back intel. but as i said, AMD is an inferior company that must rely on the govt to protect its business.
Merely having competition does not mean you're not a monopoly -- even Standard Oil "competed" with other companies back in the 1900's. :laugh:

A monopoly is defined as a "company, large enough so that its market position allows it to manipulate the prices of its products, instead of allowing the free market to do so." That's a monopoly.

These companies were forced to buy from Intel -- AMD could not meet their massive demand, not that AMD even needed to. They could've still bought some of their chips from Intel and some from AMD (especially considering AMD's were faster at the time), however Intel forced them not to.

I would advise you to read the entire thing up above, there -- if you're unwilling or unable to do so, either get someone else to do it for you, but otherwise I can't help you and I'm not going to try to convince you any further.
 
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Ring around the roses. Pocket full of posies. Ashs, ashes we all blow the EU.
 
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Ring around the roses. Pocket full of posies. Ashs, ashes we all blow the EU.
Everytime you buy a company's product, you're blowing them too. Big deal -- live with it! :D

At least you get to vote in the people receiving it with government -- hell, you could even be one of them, one day.

But unless you're going to live in a cabin in the woods somewhere, you needn't bitch about having to serve masters. Whether it's your masters in the government, or your masters in the market, you're serving someone.
 
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Merely having competition does not mean you're not a monopoly -- even Standard Oil "competed" with other companies back in the 1900's. :laugh:

A monopoly is defined as a "company, large enough so that its market position allows it to manipulate the prices of its products, instead of allowing the free market to do so." That's a monopoly.

These companies were forced to buy from Intel -- AMD could not meet their massive demand, not that AMD even needed to. They could've still bought some of their chips from Intel and some from AMD (especially considering AMD's were faster at the time), however Intel forced them not to.

I would advise you to read the entire thing up above, there -- if you're unwilling or unable to do so, either get someone else to do it for you, but otherwise I can't help you and I'm not going to try to convince you any further.
I have to agree with this. Intel practically forced the companies not to buy AMD because AMD had the better cpu and Intel didnt want them to gain anymore market share. Which is why we have the shitty Phenom II today. Knowing this information makes things make alot more sense.
 

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intel did it and i dont consider it bad. my belief is that if you have a problem with a business using these types of practices then you have a problem with business in general. of course, you could always start your own business to run intel out of the market.
Yeah how are you suppose to compete with a monopoly again, if there are no rules and they can do anything to sink you? I mean Intel basically paid companies to not carry AMD, not just cut their prices but they couldn't carry AMD to get the "special" pricing. I would say it is impossible unless you have unlimited money yourself, but then why would you want to go into business and compete with a monopoly?
 
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A fine of EUR 1 060 000 000 has been imposed on Intel Corporation for the infringement

Ow^^
that must have hurt someone;)


Unfortunately that's probably nothing, compared to the profits they squeezed out because of these practices.
 

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Merely having competition does not mean you're not a monopoly -- even Standard Oil "competed" with other companies back in the 1900's. :laugh:

A monopoly is defined as a "company, large enough so that its market position allows it to manipulate the prices of its products, instead of allowing the free market to do so." That's a monopoly.

These companies were forced to buy from Intel -- AMD could not meet their massive demand, not that AMD even needed to. They could've still bought some of their chips from Intel and some from AMD (especially considering AMD's were faster at the time), however Intel forced them not to.

I would advise you to read the entire thing up above, there -- if you're unwilling or unable to do so, either get someone else to do it for you, but otherwise I can't help you and I'm not going to try to convince you any further.
no disrepect, but let me rebutt. any company can manipulate its price regardless of its market position. they simply charge more or charge less. intel cannot be a monopoly if they have direct competition regardless of how weak AMD is. vendors do have a choice other than intel which means intel is not a monopoly.

vendors at the time requires a mass amount of chips, something AMD could not provide so they went with intel because they had no other choice. WELCOME TO REAL LIFE! intel put the screws to them and the vendors caved. that is what we call business. people imagine the mafia going in there and breaking some legs and tearing up the joint. that did not happen. it was good old fashion business tactics.

intel should not be punished because of AMDs inabality to run a company. as i said before, vendors could have indeed gone with AMD regardless of what intel was doing. it would have meant some short term pain but possibly if organized correctly a long term gain for the vendors and AMD. why didnt vendors rally around AMD? because they probably saw how disorganized AMD is. i mean you have to run a pretty crappy business if you have a superior chip yet vendors still do not want to back your company because you cant provide them what they need.

intel has shown over and over they provide a superior chip at a price vendors are willing to pay and at the end of the day consumers are willing to pay it as well. i dont see that as illegal. what i consider illegal is a bunch of thugs being hired to physically force the vendors to choose intel over amd. i guess that govt is illegal then because they created a massive fine againt intel forcing them to change their business practices to FAVOR AMD or they lose their freedom by going to jail.
 
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Amd have been playing second fiddle to Intel ever since the core 2 duos because of there own imcometency seriously remember the original phenoms? Instead of looking for excuses Amd should be looking in there own backyard as they are seemingly now doing as there recent cpus have been much improved. Its easy to blame big bad Intel when most of there problems were self inflicted they had better cpus and were completly caught of guard by the c2d.
 

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i dont see that as illegal.
You don't, the EU does. The rules are different here. For good or bad? Don't know, don't really care.
 
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EU just wants a billion dollars ... meh
 
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vendors at the time requires a mass amount of chips, something AMD could not provide so they went with intel because they had no other choice.
That's not what happened: if Intel wants to offer huge rebates should clients purchase very large amounts of their products, that's their right but, if they dictate to their clients what products to not purchase, be it as a condition for the rebates or not, that's not right, IMO.

intel has shown over and over they provide a superior chip at a price vendors are willing to pay and at the end of the day consumers are willing to pay it as well.
Not @ the time this started: back then, AMD had better products.

AMD's growing threat
The evidence in the Decision indicates the growing threat that AMD's products represented to Intel, and that Intel's customers were actively considering switching part of their x86 CPU supplies to AMD. For example, in an October 2004 e-mail from Dell to Intel, a Dell executive stated that " AMD is a great threat to our business. Intel is increasingly uncompetitive to AMD which results in Dell being uncompetitive to [Dell competitors] . We have slower, hotter products that cost more across the board in the enterprise with no hope of closing the performance gap for 1-2 years." In a submission to the Commission, Dell also stated that as regards Opteron, " in Dell's perception this CPU generally performed approximately […] better than the comparable Intel Xeon CPU at the time." As regards AMD's Athlon PC CPU, an internal HP presentation from 2002 stated that it " had a unique architecture", was " more efficient on many tasks" , and had been " CPU of [the] year [for] 3 consecutive years".