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F-35: Still no end in sight

Ebo

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Well we ordred it some time ago for delivery in 2020. The price for the airplane dosent really concirn me, just give us the planes we have paid fore.
 

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Once again I would like to take the opportunity to say that when you warn someone, delete one of their posts and whatnot, a PM is in order. Otherwise, what's the point of slapping one's wrist if they don;t know it?
Could have deleted the post and gave you some points along with a PM- deleting and posting in the thread was your "PM".

If you wish to discuss feel free to PM me- further off-topic discussion in a thread is not necessary
 

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my biggest problem with the F35 is that the Navy needs a 5th gen carrier-based air superiority fighter to replace the Super Hornets, and the F35 is not it.
And I also have no idea what's supposed to replace the Super Hornets.
Super Hornets will not be replaced for a long time. They're still being produced and are expected to stay in service until at least the 2040s, possibly the 2050s. The sheer adaptability of the Super Hornet cannot be replaced by something as immature as the F35, as it's still even in its incipient stages. Aircraft, especially fighters, take so long after their initial production to have a fully functional (as intended) aircraft ready for what it was originally designed for. It's not so much the company's fault, but rather the nature of the business. There are so many factors and problems that have to be tweaked as it goes along and they will still be fixing problems in the JSF a decade from now. They've been deployed but not in full capacity since there are still plenty of tweaks. Since it's already late and way over budget (as are most programs) they had to quickly slap together a functional version for the Services to use overseas while they perfect the model back at home. But most aircraft are like this. They're still tweaking and fixing some problems in the Super Hornet (while also coming out with the advanced model). Hopefully they find a balance in between the JSF and Super Hornets. Besides, my whole goal is to end up in a Super Hornet, hopefully not a Lightning II. (But I'm more of a beggar so I can't be a chooser). Cheers :D
 

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Thanks @DuckbillTurkopus . I figured that might be the case when I read about the treatment Super Hornets received to lower their radar cross section. That doesn't look like something you do for stuff that's on its way out. I just wasn't sure.
 
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Reading that page I cannot shake the feeling that the author has some bias...
In any case, do note some things:
1. There are close to 300 F-35's delivered now. Nobody would deliver so many planes if they were not usable/in protoype state.
2. A lot of those were delivered to US allies. For example, if Israel chose them, then the plane has to be good enough. Do remember, Israel has one of the most experienced air force in the world.
3. You also kinda HAVE to replace the F-15/16, no matter how good they might be. Problem with USA airforce is that it doesn't fly stuff like F-16 E/F Block 60, but older, upgraded variants. The airframes are worn out and have been constantly refurbished to extend their service lives. Years and years of flying above Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere has led to acceleration in wearing the planes out faster than they were supposed to.
You could go and replace the entire park with just newer models, but that still means staying on 4th gen planes while others move forward.
4. Look at Su-57. It also has suffered from various problems, failures and delays in new component delivery plus the scale is very, very small compared to the giant that is the F-35 program. But the problems are not 100% unique to F-35. Stealth is hard, yo.
 
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How else do you expect them to increase spending indefinitely, so they can give it to their criminal financiers? Traitors all the way up.

Aside from the obvious plot to spend money, it's impossible for a general purpose design to accel at anything. Think general purpose CPU like we're using...

They've already had to literally strongarm countries into buying this pile of crap LOL. Yeah, what a winner.
 
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Just imagine the ridicule for the first enemy pilot shot down by an F-35!
 

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