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Brightness on the pip-boy isn't changeable as yet. Changing the color to something with less contrast does work.

The plants are...crappy. I've had the same issue with the tatos at Abernathy farms (the ones that Bethesda put in). Between that, and certain settlements not producing bottlecaps, leads me to believe that Bethesda has more issues to deal with.


Yay.

Yeah IMO the entire settlement based gameplay is in something of an ALPHA / BETA mode..... that probably wont ever be fixed directly by Bethesda.....

Theres a few mods on NEXUS that I am using that are pretty cool for building.... but yeah these little minor bugs are just killing it overall for the settlements. I get attacked in some places and all the super mutant SPAWN inside my walls. ....

So far I am using a mod that allows you build robots around your settlements (for defense or maintenance)

Also another mod that adds 100s of more objects to use for building such as more prefab houses and the materials used in covenant.
 
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I know you can change colors for the Pip somewhere in the settings, Conroer..... I saw that somewhere......
Ah Ahzz thanks however I meant the flashlight from the Pipboy is too bright.
 

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Yeah IMO the entire settlement based gameplay is in something of an ALPHA / BETA mode..... that probably wont ever be fixed directly by Bethesda.....

Theres a few mods on NEXUS that I am using that are pretty cool for building.... but yeah these little minor bugs are just killing it overall for the settlements. I get attacked in some places and all the super mutant SPAWN inside my walls. ....

So far I am using a mod that allows you build robots around your settlements (for defense or maintenance)

Also another mod that adds 100s of more objects to use for building such as more prefab houses and the materials used in covenant.
Agreed.

My problem is that Bethesda has been working on this longer than most studios get to release any AAA game. They've not been forced to learn about a new engine, they've not been forced to create a gigantic world (read: Skyrim and Fallout 3 both had huge expanses of nothing), and they've not really been forced to meet any deadlines.

Despite this, what is released is more potential than realized game. The settlement system is interesting, but has no real tutorial and lacks enough content to be truly great. The leveling system is streamlined, but after level 50 there isn't enough content to make it interesting (seriously, at level 70 the enemies are just bullet sponge variations). The game is mostly stable, except for many random crashes during the loading screens (which never seem to output a crash code you can look into fixing). Factions are interesting, but the endings are so muddled that a very viable "happy" ending (3/4 main factions are your allies) requires jumping through hoops that make no sense despite the fully voice acted results. So much has been put into the game, but so little of it feels genuinely complete.

I guess you can sum it up as "another Bethesda release that's only genuinely great once the community fixes all the Bethesda quirks."



I hate being correct sometimes. I predicted this months ago. Bethesda was allowed to release another game 75% done, and have the community fix the remaining 25%. Sigh...
At least the game is mostly stable this time, and the community is already hard at work fixing all the crap Bethesda either can't or won't touch.
 

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Agreed.

My problem is that Bethesda has been working on this longer than most studios get to release any AAA game. They've not been forced to learn about a new engine, they've not been forced to create a gigantic world (read: Skyrim and Fallout 3 both had huge expanses of nothing), and they've not really been forced to meet any deadlines.

Despite this, what is released is more potential than realized game. The settlement system is interesting, but has no real tutorial and lacks enough content to be truly great. The leveling system is streamlined, but after level 50 there isn't enough content to make it interesting (seriously, at level 70 the enemies are just bullet sponge variations). The game is mostly stable, except for many random crashes during the loading screens (which never seem to output a crash code you can look into fixing). Factions are interesting, but the endings are so muddled that a very viable "happy" ending (3/4 main factions are your allies) requires jumping through hoops that make no sense despite the fully voice acted results. So much has been put into the game, but so little of it feels genuinely complete.

I guess you can sum it up as "another Bethesda release that's only genuinely great once the community fixes all the Bethesda quirks."



I hate being correct sometimes. I predicted this months ago. Bethesda was allowed to release another game 75% done, and have the community fix the remaining 25%. Sigh...
At least the game is mostly stable this time, and the community is already hard at work fixing all the crap Bethesda either can't or won't touch.

You know, for all the noise of "It's broke!!!", I'm afraid I'm ok with this layout. Considering some of the other crap that so many other companies have put out (Evolve), without any means to fix it at all (Dungeon Siege 3), and even some of them promising those tools and never delivering (Tribes:Ascend), I'm ok with Beth's process. They put out a solid base, and then give the community the tools to fix some of the things that don't work, as well as allowing (still free of charge!) that same community to shape the game the way that they want to play it.

Sure, they're profiting from the player-base/mod community by just letting stuff go, knowing "we" will fix it, but when you look at some of the abortions that get released to market with no way to repair them, much less improve on them, I prefer this model. I even prefer this over one that's more polished with less problems, but doesn't allow us to make changes. I'm more of an Open-world sort of guy, and I want the ability to download a mod to change my gameplay and play it again.

Yeah, I'm a Bethesda FanBoy. I've got TES Arena in its original box on my shelf, and hated Daggerfail. I enjoyed Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. They had release problems, and bugs, but when it came down to it, they let the community tear it all down and build it up around that framework. I love almost more than anything, looking at what people have done with those frameworks, and I'm looking forward to seeing the real mods come to life when they give those tools out for FO4.

edit: hahahah almost forgot the worst one recently: Batman Arkham Knight.... yeah, that was a keeper.....
 
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I've sunk about 130 hours into this game. Whatever problems it has doesn't bother me. It's a very good game and keeps me entertained. As clunky as it is, I really love the base building... Sometimes I get a bit bored with it so I'll do a mission. Sometimes I don't feel like doing missions so I go out and explore one of the countless neat areas in the game. There's so much content. I haven't needed to install any mods or do any fixes. I'm positive, through my experience with the game that those animatedly complaining about it are overblowing whatever minor issues they are dealing with.
 
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its good to see the various opinions on the game. As I said before it all comes down to your tolerance of these bugs.... For me my 1st play through was 120 hours.... and I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the crap out of this game, and do plan on a replay. I would say I have a balanced tolerance. I notice the bugs, hope for a fix, and continue. Some people would just rage quit because of these things (Yes overblown reaction), and some people will play this game and never notice a single bug we have pointed out.

But still, lilhasselhoffer has made some solid points not only in his post above, but everything related to the overall laziness of Bethesda and learning how to refine their very very old engine they keep reusing. This is the very reason we call this "another Bethesda game" when it could have been something like Witcher 3 where you just are struck in amazement by the level of detail, refinement and testing they did for that amazing end result.
 
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I wonder if the GECK modding will make snap and build actually happen? Homemaker, Greenhouse, SSex and other crafting mods really have expanded what the base workshop offers - yay concrete walls and gothic looking fences! However even building a wall and then a floor on top of it with another wall is excruciatingly painful.
You have to do all kind of jinkies to get it to sometimes snap into place or even lay the item down - assuming it even works at all.

That really sucks the life out of it for me.

Jborn is also right about the engine rehash. I keep telling myself one day there will be a TES/Fallout game not using Gamebryo. When I no longer see the words Invalidate or Archive in regards to the mods, I'll finally know we've moved onto a better place.
Man, Qarl's Texture Pack just came to mind. It's been almost ten years since Oblivion hit the shelves.. and when looking at the stock versions of Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim, I can't help but think they really haven't come far at all.

Funny, with Morrowind, graphics never crossed my mind - I was too busy trying to ghetto attack Ordinators from funky wall positions, so they couldn't one shot me.
 
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I've sunk about 130 hours into this game. Whatever problems it has doesn't bother me. It's a very good game and keeps me entertained. As clunky as it is, I really love the base building... Sometimes I get a bit bored with it so I'll do a mission. Sometimes I don't feel like doing missions so I go out and explore one of the countless neat areas in the game. There's so much content. I haven't needed to install any mods or do any fixes. I'm positive, through my experience with the game that those animatedly complaining about it are overblowing whatever minor issues they are dealing with.
"I have put in 100 hours, so I know that your experience and complaints are entirely invalid."

You'll excuse me, but I call BS on that.

At the 130 hour mark I'd explored about 70% of the world. I'd done a grand total of 1 story mission. I hadn't been to Diamond City. I was in the 40's for my level, and still looking forward to upgrading things. On top of all of this, the enemies were still a reasonable challenge, if somewhat bullet spongey. Bethesda is amazing at forcing level grinding, samey missions, and lackluster enemies to feel like something far better.

I've got significantly more hours into the game now, and the novelty has worn off. All of my bases are built, and the only thing left is the annoyances of defenses and constantly cycling "go out and murder a location" missions. I've gotten to the point where a stealth double shot laser to the head doesn't kill enemies (x4.2 stealth bonus). I've gotten here, without ever journeying to the institute. If you'd like to make the blanket statement that there aren't any problems with the game, then perhaps you should play a little while longer. Perhaps you should do the 100th "murder everybody at this map location," and tell me that the content isn't 90% of one type of thing with 10% spiced up quests. Perhaps you should consider things prior to saying that nobody else's opinions matter. If not, then my opinion is better than yours because I've put more hours in. Just saying that makes me feel stupid.



I can respect the casual player that says a 20 hour game is a huge amount of content. I can understand people not seeing through the crap, to understand that Bethesda took the better part of a decade to apply new paint to the same mechanics of the old games, borrow successful mechanics from genres that they failed at emulating in 3, and haphazardly shoe horned in things that are currently popular (read: building sims/settlements). Heck, I can even admit that the simplified mechanics (no more points/level for mastering skills is awesome, even if it does make the game less RPG and more FPS) are nice. What I can't admit is that this isn't another fundamentally deeply flawed game that needs fixing. I'd like Bethesda to do it, but I'm a realist. The community will fix this game. By the time we can "officially" mod it there'll be thousands of mods. Nobody else is allowed to do this in the entertainment industry. I say this is another Bethesda game, because it's a half built pile of blocks that they expect the community to build into a game.


I show such disrespect for your opinion, because it's a joke. Everyone bemoans Counterstrike, Call of Duty, and NFL/FIFA games because they functionally pump out a game every year and the only change is players and statistics. Bethesda has put out one game multiple times since Oblivion. Somehow, Bethesda gets a pass while EA/Activision get lambasted. Why? Why are people incapable of admitting they like this crap. I like the one game Bethesda has put out over the last decade, in all its flavors. This doesn't mean it isn't deeply flawed, only that its flaws don't make it unplayable. To tell anyone else that their opinion doesn't matter, because they haven't yet found the end of the content, is surprisingly ignorant. I expected better, but I guess I get the same results as Fallout 4. Ba-dum-tish.

If I wanted a functionally flawless and whole experience I'd look at something from High Moon or CD Projekt Red. Both studios release experiences worth having. Bethesda doesn't. Bethesda releases popcorn, that after eating a full tub of you feel dirty. You shouldn't like it, but it was impossible to stop eating because that tiny little bit of butter and salt made an otherwise bland and samey experience feel awesome. I don't begrudge people who love popcorn, I have a problem with the movie theater who has reheated the same popcorn for a week, cheaped out on the artificial flavoring pump so that the flavoring isn't distributed evenly, and despite knowing all of this continues to be viewed as some sort of saint because they "allow" you to bring in your own popcorn. Apparently having standards makes me incorrect.


So, how's that Star Wars Battlefront going? Maybe a little too soon there. What about Titanfall? Maybe Destiny, Payday 2, and Evolve are better examples where standards weren't worth having. No....no response to the community demanding standards and quality from everyone except Bethesda. Fine, I just don't want to hear any complaints when the next Elder Scrolls game releases in such a half done fashion that the community has to create its own ending. Hyperbole, but considering all the half finished crap here I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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"I have put in 100 hours, so I know that your experience and complaints are entirely invalid."

You'll excuse me, but I call BS on that.

At the 130 hour mark I'd explored about 70% of the world. I'd done a grand total of 1 story mission. I hadn't been to Diamond City. I was in the 40's for my level, and still looking forward to upgrading things. On top of all of this, the enemies were still a reasonable challenge, if somewhat bullet spongey. Bethesda is amazing at forcing level grinding, samey missions, and lackluster enemies to feel like something far better.

I've got significantly more hours into the game now, and the novelty has worn off. All of my bases are built, and the only thing left is the annoyances of defenses and constantly cycling "go out and murder a location" missions. I've gotten to the point where a stealth double shot laser to the head doesn't kill enemies (x4.2 stealth bonus). I've gotten here, without ever journeying to the institute. If you'd like to make the blanket statement that there aren't any problems with the game, then perhaps you should play a little while longer. Perhaps you should do the 100th "murder everybody at this map location," and tell me that the content isn't 90% of one type of thing with 10% spiced up quests. Perhaps you should consider things prior to saying that nobody else's opinions matter. If not, then my opinion is better than yours because I've put more hours in. Just saying that makes me feel stupid.



I can respect the casual player that says a 20 hour game is a huge amount of content. I can understand people not seeing through the crap, to understand that Bethesda took the better part of a decade to apply new paint to the same mechanics of the old games, borrow successful mechanics from genres that they failed at emulating in 3, and haphazardly shoe horned in things that are currently popular (read: building sims/settlements). Heck, I can even admit that the simplified mechanics (no more points/level for mastering skills is awesome, even if it does make the game less RPG and more FPS) are nice. What I can't admit is that this isn't another fundamentally deeply flawed game that needs fixing. I'd like Bethesda to do it, but I'm a realist. The community will fix this game. By the time we can "officially" mod it there'll be thousands of mods. Nobody else is allowed to do this in the entertainment industry. I say this is another Bethesda game, because it's a half built pile of blocks that they expect the community to build into a game.


I show such disrespect for your opinion, because it's a joke. Everyone bemoans Counterstrike, Call of Duty, and NFL/FIFA games because they functionally pump out a game every year and the only change is players and statistics. Bethesda has put out one game multiple times since Oblivion. Somehow, Bethesda gets a pass while EA/Activision get lambasted. Why? Why are people incapable of admitting they like this crap. I like the one game Bethesda has put out over the last decade, in all its flavors. This doesn't mean it isn't deeply flawed, only that its flaws don't make it unplayable. To tell anyone else that their opinion doesn't matter, because they haven't yet found the end of the content, is surprisingly ignorant. I expected better, but I guess I get the same results as Fallout 4. Ba-dum-tish.

If I wanted a functionally flawless and whole experience I'd look at something from High Moon or CD Projekt Red. Both studios release experiences worth having. Bethesda doesn't. Bethesda releases popcorn, that after eating a full tub of you feel dirty. You shouldn't like it, but it was impossible to stop eating because that tiny little bit of butter and salt made an otherwise bland and samey experience feel awesome. I don't begrudge people who love popcorn, I have a problem with the movie theater who has reheated the same popcorn for a week, cheaped out on the artificial flavoring pump so that the flavoring isn't distributed evenly, and despite knowing all of this continues to be viewed as some sort of saint because they "allow" you to bring in your own popcorn. Apparently having standards makes me incorrect.


So, how's that Star Wars Battlefront going? Maybe a little too soon there. What about Titanfall? Maybe Destiny, Payday 2, and Evolve are better examples where standards weren't worth having. No....no response to the community demanding standards and quality from everyone except Bethesda. Fine, I just don't want to hear any complaints when the next Elder Scrolls game releases in such a half done fashion that the community has to create its own ending. Hyperbole, but considering all the half finished crap here I wouldn't be surprised.
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Nope. Having fun playing Fallout 4. You can dig in and analyze that until your last keystroke, but it is what it is.

I still play Battlefront with friends, but not really alone. I have no idea where your hostility is coming from, but perhaps you need a different hobby if this one gets you upset.
 
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Positive update, I have fixed my VATS : Limb selection issue.
In the Fallout4.ini (in your Documents>My Games location), there is a line titled 'fDirectionalDeadzone=' under the Controls section. If this is at a value of 0.000 (all zeroes) it causes problems. I amended it to something minute like 0.1000 and now VATS is fully functional.
I'm running around my settlements, pointing guns at people and spamming VATS just so I can target their limbs endlessly, oh the freedom!

I was so happy I played in the rain - here are some tourist shots from Revere Beach.
 

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I wonder if the GECK modding will make snap and build actually happen?
Possibly, but snap-build means it's a grid based and based on what I know from RCT and SimCity communities, plenty people hate grid.

You have to do all kind of jinkies to get it to sometimes snap into place or even lay the item down - assuming it even works at all.
How about this mod?
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2683/?
I'm still in 1st playthrough, can't try it.

Man, Qarl's Texture Pack just came to mind. It's been almost ten years since Oblivion hit the shelves.. and when looking at the stock versions of Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim, I can't help but think they really haven't come far at all.
if you have the one-file version, keep it. The last time I know, it's broken link.

Funny, with Morrowind, graphics never crossed my mind - I was too busy trying to ghetto attack Ordinators from funky wall positions, so they couldn't one shot me.
Lol It's the clunkiest of the clunkiest.

Bethesda is amazing at forcing level grinding, samey missions, and lackluster enemies to feel like something far better.

I've got significantly more hours into the game now, and the novelty has worn off. All of my bases are built, and the only thing left is the annoyances of defenses and constantly cycling "go out and murder a location" missions. I've gotten to the point where a stealth double shot laser to the head doesn't kill enemies (x4.2 stealth bonus). I've gotten here, without ever journeying to the institute. If you'd like to make the blanket statement that there aren't any problems with the game, then perhaps you should play a little while longer. Perhaps you should do the 100th "murder everybody at this map location," and tell me that the content isn't 90% of one type of thing with 10% spiced up quests. Perhaps you should consider things prior to saying that nobody else's opinions matter. If not, then my opinion is better than yours because I've put more hours in. Just saying that makes me feel stupid.
I'm curious about this one.
I agree the content is lackluster - though probably only can be felt by veteran like us.

But what open world game that doesn't have this content issue?
Witcher 3, current game of the year has this exact issue, beautiful world but boring sidequests. Not sure why you said CDPR flawless function/experience wise (it has 600+ bugs at the beginning and combat doesn't fixed months later). Witcher 2 on the other side is almost Telltale game.
GTA series, the billion dollar franchise has the same issue (go there, kill that - even on main quest). You can do plenty of other things but mostly silly or one time amusement things.
Far Cry series, the same. Worse, the "liberate outpost" thingie is the same between AC, FarCry, and WatchDogs.

Even highly praised games like Bioshock, Wolfenstein, Dark Souls 2, or Tomb Raider eventually feel repetitive at 20-30% completion, and that's about 10-30 hours in the game.
 
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I'm curious about this one.
I agree the content is lackluster - though probably only can be felt by veteran like us.

But what open world game that doesn't have this content issue?
Witcher 3, current game of the year has this exact issue, beautiful world but boring sidequests. Not sure why you said CDPR flawless function/experience wise (it has 600+ bugs at the beginning and combat doesn't fixed months later). Witcher 2 on the other side is almost Telltale game.
GTA series, the billion dollar franchise has the same issue (go there, kill that - even on main quest). You can do plenty of other things but mostly silly or one time amusement things.
Far Cry series, the same. Worse, the "liberate outpost" thingie is the same between AC, FarCry, and WatchDogs.

Even highly praised games like Bioshock, Wolfenstein, Dark Souls 2, or Tomb Raider eventually feel repetitive at 20-30% completion, and that's about 10-30 hours in the game.
Just Cause has virtually no story, and doesn't pretend to. They invested time into producing the best possible murder sandbox, and gave you enough tools to do it however you see fit. The saving grace for this series is it doesn't pretend to be a story, only a murderous sand box.

Far Cry 3 and 4 both had immensely like able and animate villains. Their random encounters were actually pretty awesome, and I hit the end of the game well before the content reached the point of being boring. The saving grace for this series is that the game is paced such that content nuggets exist well into the story's end, and they don't exactly pile in a ton of frustratingly samey side missions.

Terraria is the definition of a sandbox without a story. The developer has absolutely no story in the game, no objectives, and yet I've poured hundreds of hours into that game. Between mild modding support, and the ability to set your own objectives without interference from half-baked mechanics, Terraria is interesting because it just does what I want it to do.



Let's now focus on Bethesda's progeny, to show why the above doesn't apply.

First off, there's a definite story with multiple players. That means you've got to pace content such that its consumption and your mechanics are not at odds. By linking level progression, perks, a level curve that starts to overhang, and constantly repeating quests as the "reward" for a faction you wind-up at odds here. Removing the level cap is great, but in its place you've installed a system which requires players grind to get fun perks. This, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing, as it allows casual players to progress, while hard core players can chew through content as they see fit. The problem then becomes whether or not there's content enough to cover your infinite progress scheme. Bethesda doesn't have this. As you increase in level the enemies get better stats constantly, but you run out of weapons to match their additional statistics at about level 50. Really, the plasma cartridges are surprisingly rare and that's arguably the best weapon for most players (explosives being of limited use inside areas, and melee becoming difficult at high levels). As you continue to level there's no way to make yourself match enemy progress, because perks run out and weaponry does too. At this point enemies become bullet sponges, and the grind becomes apparent to the player.

Second, is the game 95% mechanically. Absolutely not. CD Projekt Red did eventually fix almost every error in the Witcher 3. Their errors were therefore annoying, but tolerable. Let's look back at Bethesda's work. Fallout 3 is, to this day, an unstable mess without community mods. Likewise, New Vegas (a project they had oversight on, but did not develop) is still buggy today. More recently, let's look at Skyrim. Bethesda put out patches at lightning speed on that game. Unfortunately, each patch seemed to break something new. My experience with that game was that I fought a dragon without any issues, had it respawn and it died without issues a second time, and two patches later that dragon flew backwards circles around me without any animations before teleporting off. I can accept errors, but Bethesda has a track record of either causing more during "fixing" or entirely not addressing them. This breaks the game, because every CTD puts me 2-3 minutes farther away from enjoying the game and its excessive loading screens.

Finally, can I just explore? Surprisingly, the answer there is no. Often a radiant quest involves you going somewhere and killing a named NPC. If you explore constantly you murder these enemies as a matter of course, and only hours later find the NPC who could have filled you in on why they were special. Worse yet, this is easy to rectify. If Bethesda could be bothered spawns would be related to quests. In reality, they aren't. You can fail missions by killing hostiles you encountered at random, kill named enemies without ever knowing why they're named, and all of this just because exploration is definitely not the focus of the game. Bethesda has done a wonderful job giving us one complete story, and hundreds of little ones, but they've done nothing to link them together. That's just depressing, when so much effort in developing the world is lost simply because we didn't play how they wanted. We didn't decide to cut off viable content in order to finish the main story. That's a disappointing lack of thought, that we've tolerated from Bethesda for years. I'm beyond even asking them to fix this, but not raising it as an issue lets them say it's acceptable. I'm definitely not accepting it like a sheep.

This game isn't bad, but with seven years between installments on the same engine I expected better. We should ask for better.
 
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Starting to wish you could send any settler to any settlement. I don't see the point in having all these small locations dotted around, when they know that most people will use Sanctuary as the main. And even though I wanted to be different and have the MinuteMen headquarters be elsewhere from Sanctuary, I haven't found any where that's suitable. West Everett Estates or Fort Hagen would have been nice, though you can't use those.

So far Abernathy Farms is my secondary, because of all the pre plotted vegetation and the soil plots on both sides of the house (which is cool as well). It's the lack of additional space or buildings that make it unsuitable as any thing other than a farm.

Which means I can stop using Sanctuary as a primary location for GMO food manufacturing. This is particularly good since I get that plant/food bug a lot where you can't harvest or select/move a plant in the workshop. All of the ones in places like Abernathy and Crossing, are working 100%.

The boathouse was fun to setup as some type of big defense check point along the road, though with the infrequency of raiders and the realization that there probably won't be many mutant caravans passing by, it's kinda wasted.

When I unlock a new settlement, I check to see if the native inhabitants can be moved at which point I send them to Abernathy, Boathouse or Sanctuary. If they cannot be moved then I lay down a small generator, a spot light, a recruitment radio beacon, three wooden defensive posts, a water pump, five mutfruit trees and five sleeping bags. I assign one of the workers to the food, one to the three defense posts and then send a spare person from Sanctuary to act as the supply line. Then I check every several days on how they are doing, though otherwise I forget about them intentionally.

Settlements just seem futile to me and the never ending grind of amending, moving, rebuilding and spending hours playing Fallout Minecraft, is leading me into nothing tangible.
 
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Witcher 3, current game of the year has this exact issue, beautiful world but boring sidequests
Um, the exact opposite is what made this game stand out...the fact that the side quests were fully realized, some taking many hours to complete, with branching story lines. Also, they all complemented and fell right in line with the lore/backstory/main story. That's what sets their stupendous sidequests off as miles better than any side quest Bethesda has ever been able to create.
 
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