Fan suggestion X1950XT

[x800professor]

haha, i never assume its my videocard or any 1 part first, been a tech long enought to know that you cant assume such things without ending up regreting it more times then not

u got 4gb, u can take out 2 and rma the dead "kit" if you have to send the whole kit.

little tip i learned LONG ago, MEMTEST EVERY TIME YOU START HAVING CRASHES, test 5 looped for 20times is normaly a good way to see if the rams wonky, its normaly the test that shows flaws/problems first.

sucks u sent back a good card

I know, I know. I ran memtest for 3 hours on this the other day, no problems. I just figured that, since it crashed every time I tried to run video, it must have had something to do with the video card. The dead kit is going back. I don't get how memtest and prime95 didn't catch this. I actually ran prime95 the whole time I was in class from 9:30-4:30 a few days ago with zero errors. After that, I turned on powerpoint and went to full screen presentation mode and bam! driver reset after driver reset until I got an infinite loop BSOD. I've been working on computers for years...even with my experience that sounded like a video problem. Especially considering the fact that it liked to do it after I finished playing a game. arrrgh.

 

[AshenSugar]

prime isnt really in my exp a very good memtester.

like i said test 5 only, it pushes the ram VERY hard, thus gives quickist errors.

i know how big a pain memory errors can be, specly when rams rated at XXX clocks and will only do xxx clock stable even with extra volts!!!!!

 

[x800professor]

prime isnt really in my exp a very good memtester.

like i said test 5 only, it pushes the ram VERY hard, thus gives quickist errors.

i know how big a pain memory errors can be, specly when rams rated at XXX clocks and will only do xxx clock stable even with extra volts!!!!!

It's pretty hard to diagnose when no program can find an error, including memtest. I do have to wonder if the card was having problems too. Well, if it was, I'll get a new one along with the new memory. Better safe than sorry I suppose.

 

[Zalmann]

Oh...spaghetti monster save me. Same issues with the 9200 that I had with the x1950XT...and now a memory module died. Even the same blue screen I got with whole infinite loop. So, evidently I sent back a perfectly good X1950XT and now have a dead memory stick sitting on my desk that may have been causing the problems....ARRGH!


Oh yes, pretty copper base on that zalman.

Dammit, don't you hate that! Now you have to wait a while longer for the replacement card, and replace that faulty memory.

Yes, the Zalmans, especially the VF900 are a very good looking and elegant unit. Unlike the AC X2, which look quite bulky to me.

 

[x800professor]

Dammit, don't you hate that! Now you have to wait a while longer for the replacement card, and replace that faulty memory.

Yes, the Zalmans, especially the VF900 are a very good looking and elegant unit. Unlike the AC X2, which look quite bulky to me.

I like the look of the cooler, but the ramsinks it comes with are tiny. I'm thinking about buying different ones. Anybody have any suggestions on that or should I just keep these?

 

[AshenSugar]

I like the look of the cooler, but the ramsinks it comes with are tiny. I'm thinking about buying different ones. Anybody have any suggestions on that or should I just keep these?

the stock ones do VERY well, im at 1610mhz on ram and the ram barly gets warm, heatsinks dont need to be huge to do the job, due to how the air flows over them when placed properly these are VERY efficent.

place them so that the \||||/ are dirrected at the cooler for best airflow, you dont want the sinks to be _ _ _ _ (sidewase) its all about proper airflow.

also i have acctualy seen larger sinks do worse then the zalmans due to being thicker at the base, thus holding more heat in at the base needing more airflow to cool properly, i tryed a bunch of diffrent ram sinks on my x800xt pe, and the zalman sinks where acctualy better then even the $34 copper sinks i got from xoxide, im quite sure this is due to the design of the zalmans being smaller and thiner at the base also the fins being well placed/angled as apposed to many other brands being just a bunch of |||||| fins with a thick base.

i know they dont look impressive, but try them out, they do the job VERY well as long as you install them correctly(dirrectioned correctly AND stuck on properly)

dont waist ur $ buying pricy sinks that at best will do the same job, i know i tryed like 8 diffrent sets trying to get that extra little bit out of my card, and non of them where any better then the zalmans with the same airflow.

 

[AshenSugar]

Dammit, don't you hate that! Now you have to wait a while longer for the replacement card, and replace that faulty memory.

Yes, the Zalmans, especially the VF900 are a very good looking and elegant unit. Unlike the AC X2, which look quite bulky to me.

it is quite bulky, tkp tryed to say the zalman weighed more, check back a few pages, turns out the x2 was alot heavyer
as well as taking up more space :/

i have installed bouth, and at least with my zalman i can stick a modem or nic in the pci slot between my pci-e 16x slots,(1 slot between the card and the pci slot) with the x2 i couldnt do that( i know i have tryed on other ppls systems, its frustrating)

the x2 was really designed for btx cases, this was because intel was pushing hard to try and get everybody to move to the btx standred insted of atx because the p4 needed better cooling, and in btx the x2 would be sticking out the top of the card blowing the heat dirrectly into the flow path of the case fans and out the back of the case.

but since BTX has been dumped by everybody but dell (think they are even giving it up now) arctic cooling will probbly go back to the silencer designs that exaust heat out the bace of the case and dont take up 2 extra slots insted of just one.

i love the vf900 on my card, 700/1600 core/mem is pretty good at stock volts i think specly now that it never passes 65c even after 3+hrs of hard gaming at 1600x1200x32bpp, hdr+aa+af+aaa+eatm+atma in farcry in a very warm room, oh yeah and the coolers at max and TOTALY SILENT!!!

one tip x800prof use dirrect power from you psu not a mobo fan header, the mobo headers tend to not give fans full volts/speed and auto ajust wont work to well unless ur mobo has the abillity to set each fan header sepretly.

i just use dirrect 12v off my psu with a little adapter, works like a charm, and is still inaudible over even my "slient" vantech 80mm case fans and cpu cooler.

 

[Wile E]

it is quite bulky, tkp tryed to say the zalman weighed more, check back a few pages, turns out the x2 was alot heavyer
as well as taking up more space :/

Yeah, but both weigh significantly less than the stock unit. That thing weighed a ton. lol

 

[AshenSugar]

yeah, but i found a way to make the stock cooler not suck!!!!

lap it, take the shell off and stick a 70mm fan dirrectly on its fins , i used spider wire to sinch it down and tie it off so i wouldnt damnage the fins with screws, the stock cooler lacks good airflow over the fins because it sucks air across them with that blower, fan, its a good idea, but dosnt work as well in practice as it should.

the reasion i stuck a fan on the heatsink dirrectly is a client and old friend of mine had the fan on his x1800xt start death rattling and the maker isnt gonna just send a new fan, he didnt want to risk trading a 512mb xt for a 256mb 1950xt, so i carfuly removed the cooler, had him lap it as i went and dug around for a good flow TMD fan(last one i had.....i need more of them, they rock) he was quite impressed, at full the 70mm tmd moves alot of air, sounds almost silent and guess what, the temps where better then stock was at 100% fan, even the VRM;s on his card are cooler thanks to the airflow off the stock cooler over them!!!!!


kinda a gheto mod but it works!!!!!!

 

[Wile E]

How would you say that setup compares to an X2?

 

[AshenSugar]

very close i would say, at least on the card i set it up on, it REALLY helped, and the airflow isnt dirrected at the motherboard its dirrected out the front of the card and off the back f the card(where it flows up and out the back or top vents of any decent case) worked far better then even i expected, the core/die mount serfice was VERY VERY bad on that cooler, u could file ur fingernails on it, took like 45min of laping to get it pretty smooth, then about 20min with brasso to get it shiny smooth mirror finish, just used acitone to remove the brasso resedu and applyed asc to the core AND ram conntacts worked great, whole cards running cooler now.

oh if you have an x1900 range card taking the vrm sink off and adding some cheap white goop(like u get at radioshack) then sticking it back on REALLY helps improve the conntact

 

[Zalmann]

yeah, but i found a way to make the stock cooler not suck!!!!

lap it, take the shell off and stick a 70mm fan dirrectly on its fins , i used spider wire to sinch it down and tie it off so i wouldnt damnage the fins with screws, the stock cooler lacks good airflow over the fins because it sucks air across them with that blower, fan, its a good idea, but dosnt work as well in practice as it should.

the reasion i stuck a fan on the heatsink dirrectly is a client and old friend of mine had the fan on his x1800xt start death rattling and the maker isnt gonna just send a new fan, he didnt want to risk trading a 512mb xt for a 256mb 1950xt, so i carfuly removed the cooler, had him lap it as i went and dug around for a good flow TMD fan(last one i had.....i need more of them, they rock) he was quite impressed, at full the 70mm tmd moves alot of air, sounds almost silent and guess what, the temps where better then stock was at 100% fan, even the VRM;s on his card are cooler thanks to the airflow off the stock cooler over them!!!!!


kinda a gheto mod but it works!!!!!!

I did a similar thing on my old 6800. I mounted an old Athlon XP fan onto the heatsink. I removed the thin metal cover that only had an opening for the stock fan, and made a cardboard cutout that had a hole to accomodate the larger fan. It worked, and kept the GPU cooler, but it was also loud as all hell. I got rid of it after a few months, and replaced it with a Zalman VF700, and have been happy with it ever since.

 

[AshenSugar]

the tmd fans are not 100% slient, but compared to the stock coolers fan its 1/4 as loud or less, u can hear it, but not over most common system fans

 

[x800professor]

very close i would say, at least on the card i set it up on, it REALLY helped, and the airflow isnt dirrected at the motherboard its dirrected out the front of the card and off the back f the card(where it flows up and out the back or top vents of any decent case) worked far better then even i expected, the core/die mount serfice was VERY VERY bad on that cooler, u could file ur fingernails on it, took like 45min of laping to get it pretty smooth, then about 20min with brasso to get it shiny smooth mirror finish, just used acitone to remove the brasso resedu and applyed asc to the core AND ram conntacts worked great, whole cards running cooler now.

oh if you have an x1900 range card taking the vrm sink off and adding some cheap white goop(like u get at radioshack) then sticking it back on REALLY helps improve the conntact

You'd think they would have done a slightly better job with that heatsink. It's no wonder nvidia was praised back then for their fan setups. They certainly were much, much better than what ATI was spitting out on their reference designs.

 

[AshenSugar]

i duno, the 5800ultra i had was loud as fuck, think an 80's dustbuster and your about at the right sound.

and my buddys 7800gtx was a loud one at full fan, tho it was a diffrent tone then ati coolers it was still loud and annoing.

the cooler we got on the x800xtpe/x850xt pe/x1800xt/1900xt cards was a comprimise to those who wanted the heat exausted out of the case insted of what nvidia was doing and having it blow out the front and back of the card, they should have just imbraced the silencer and its variants as stock, would have been better for everbody, run them 100% fan and still cant hear them......

with a directflow fan on the heatsink it really pulls heat alot better and isnt neerly as loud, was thinking of moding the plastic but his cards got a 5 year warr and i dont want to void that fully by visibly changing the cooler, think if the dirrect flow fan AND the exaust fan where running, the exaust fan at auto so it dosnt get to loud as long as teh cores cool, and exausting part of the heat out of the system, would be a good idea if it worked, he may buy a new card and let me void it anyway, or he may get a card with the same stock cooler and have me mod one and keep one normal(would work for me ) just to see what perf we can gain out of it with moding.

 

[tkpenalty]

i duno, the 5800ultra i had was loud as fuck, think an 80's dustbuster and your about at the right sound.

and my buddys 7800gtx was a loud one at full fan, tho it was a diffrent tone then ati coolers it was still loud and annoing.

the cooler we got on the x800xtpe/x850xt pe/x1800xt/1900xt cards was a comprimise to those who wanted the heat exausted out of the case insted of what nvidia was doing and having it blow out the front and back of the card, they should have just imbraced the silencer and its variants as stock, would have been better for everbody, run them 100% fan and still cant hear them......

with a directflow fan on the heatsink it really pulls heat alot better and isnt neerly as loud, was thinking of moding the plastic but his cards got a 5 year warr and i dont want to void that fully by visibly changing the cooler, think if the dirrect flow fan AND the exaust fan where running, the exaust fan at auto so it dosnt get to loud as long as teh cores cool, and exausting part of the heat out of the system, would be a good idea if it worked, he may buy a new card and let me void it anyway, or he may get a card with the same stock cooler and have me mod one and keep one normal(would work for me ) just to see what perf we can gain out of it with moding.

Agreed. Also the FX5800 cooler had no heatpipes and drab memory cooling. The fan was inefficient and loud as hell (I think there was no fan control...).

 

[x800professor]

Agreed. Also the FX5800 cooler had no heatpipes and drab memory cooling. The fan was inefficient and loud as hell (I think there was no fan control...).

I was talking about the 7900's. The whole FX series sucked endlessly. The 7900GTX has a quieter fan than does the X1900 series, though the X1950XTX's fan is much improved.

 

[tkpenalty]

oic, yeah the 7900GTX cooler is great. X1950XTX's one is by far better however.

 

[x800professor]

I hate being in Ohio. My x1950 still hasn't even reached newegg. I'm probably not even going to get to try out that zalman next week. After that, it's spring break. I can't remember how long it typically takes newegg to process an RMA once they receive it, but UPS says they are getting it on Monday.

 

[tkpenalty]

I hate being in Ohio. My x1950 still hasn't even reached newegg. I'm probably not even going to get to try out that zalman next week. After that, it's spring break. I can't remember how long it typically takes newegg to process an RMA once they receive it, but UPS says they are getting it on Monday.

One misfortune after another... I feel sorry for you .

Are you on another PC right now?

 

[AshenSugar]

next time u ship something back to newegg, use usps, seirously, use priority mail, its cheaper and normaly takes 2-3days even from across the country, i sent an hdd back to seagate a few months back it was 5bucks INSURED to ship it and it took 2days, i had teh drive back in less then 2 weeks

 

[x800professor]

One misfortune after another... I feel sorry for you .

Are you on another PC right now?

I was on the same computer. I purchased that 9200 to keep using it. Now I'm home on my old x800 rig. This computer has my beautiful 22" Compaq P1220. This thing absolutely destroys my 17" scratched up, $10 from a yard sale pile of junk I have at college. I forgot how nice the picture was, and how big it is. Of course, the 22" widescreen LCD I'm probably going to get for the X1950XT will be even bigger, but the image won't be better than a professional (originally almost $1,000USD) CRT. I haven't decided what exact monitor I'm getting just yet, but it's probably going to be a 22" LCD. I might just wait until most of them have HDMI.

 

[tkpenalty]

Professional CRT = 120hz refresh?

 

[x800professor]

Professional CRT = 120hz refresh?

340MHz maximum pixel clock frequency for one, so maximum refresh depends on the resolution, but its maximum refresh is 160Hz.

 

[AshenSugar]

yeah, i have had a few VERY nice crt's and infact NO lcd to date can compair with a highe end crt for pure quility.

i have owned mitsubishi diamontron 17 and 19in monotors, STELLER montotors, far crisper then even this 21.1 gaming lcd, only reasion i use the gaming lcd is that over the years my 19in diamontron, 19in kds, 19in hitchi(great prof monotors) all have taken damnage to the tube, stupid people trying to clean them with the wrong stuff(scrubby pads insted of just a damp cloths mostly)

there are 3 important things people dont tend to realise about crt vs lcd.
1. dot pitch: this is VERY important for clairty, the closer the dots are to eachother the clearer the image is, lcd's even extreamly expencive ones are higher dotpitch then a good crt, infact this ones got .25 dotpitch and my crt has .24 and i can tell the diffrance, mainly beacuse the dots on lcds are SQUARE so u can see each one of you are wihtin 2 feet of your monotor.
2. refresh rate: now this does effect lcd's but in a diffrent way then crt's, if you are using a digital dvi connection you need to FORCE higher then "stock" refresh on you lcd, my 21.1in uses 60hz at 1600x1200 over VGA, but that setting carrys over to digital for some reasion, when i force 120hz it (almost) totaly removes taring in windows and games, refresh rate is the speed at witch the image is refreshed onto the screen, with a crt you want att least 75hz at 1600x1200, 85+ is perfect.

a crt unlike an lcd wont show taring even at lower refreshrates on desktop or in game as long as vsync is enabled, this is another advantege of good crt's.

3. maturity, crts are FAR more mature as a display tech, no dead pixels are possable, they tend to last 10+years if they arent abused
hell i have 15in crt's that are from the early 90's and even 2 OLD ASS 12in crts that are from some of the first pc's ever made, they still work 100% perfect.

lcds are the new kid on the block thats why you see dead pixels,poor dotpitches, and other little issues.

oh b4 anybody brings on contrast ratio, crts (decent to good quility ones) have ajustiable contrast my old diamontron 17in puts this lcd to shame, and that units over 7 years old.

The Dissadvantege, side, crts are larger and bulkyer, this is why lcd's have taken off so much in home use, tho in my exp not so much in gfx related fields, i have done contract work for a couple companys what did alot of graphical work, and they dont use even high end lcds for the work, they use high end crt's, when i asked them about it the reasion was some of what i stated above, better dot pitch gives better clarity and fine detail, no refresh issues, and no dead pixels(there where others but those are the ones that stuck with me)

money wasnt the issue but they did mention that for the price of a decent 20in lcd they could get 2 high end crt's that would run at 2048 res with a high refreshrate.


x800prof if you want a cheap way to replace that 17in pos try www.merkortech.com , choose accurat it, they have STUNNING deals on large high quility crt's, recently someobyd i know got a 24in sony widescreen crt for 375bucks FREE SHIPING!!!!!
last one i ordered was a 21in ibm crt with DVI-D(digital dvi) connection for a client, shes quite happy with it and it was all of 175bucks free shiping

some of them acctualy have almost the same depth as my 17in , the 21in ibm is between the size of my 17in and 19in in depth, and was STUNNING for clarity, quite shocking how nice it was, if i had the $ i would have ordered 2 more of them for me