Fanless X570 boards

[Octopuss]

I read something somewhere about this showing up in some new AGESA version or something. Does anyone know anything? I need to upgrade, desperately almost, but I just am not buying a board with a fucking gazzilion rpm fan on it. We're not in 2001 or something. Damn you VIA.
Seriously though, are there any news about that or was I daydreaming?

 

[AusWolf]

I read something somewhere about this showing up in some new AGESA version or something. Does anyone know anything? I need to upgrade, desperately almost, but I just am not buying a board with a fucking gazzilion rpm fan on it. We're not in 2001 or something. Damn you VIA.
Seriously though, are there any news about that or was I daydreaming?

I remember those news, but I don't think anything ever became of it.

 

[xtreemchaos]

the fan on the chipset isnt that bad on my aorus ultra x570 i only hear it on boot when all the fans wiz up and im using a open p5 case about 2 foot from my head.

 

[Tomgang]

There are as far I know, only two x570 board with out a chipset fan and those are not cheap.

Those are ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII DARK HERO and GIGABYTE X570 AORUS XTREME.

Else I think all x570 boards have a chipset fan. But I really haven't seen any complaints about noise for real. About the fans, I am more concerned about fan failure in the long run. Cause it is not so simple to replace a fan, as many of those used are not your typical standart fan type.

 

[Octopuss]

I am more concerned about fan failure in the long run.

Yeah exactly!
There don't seem to be any aftermarket heatsinks available either.

I might just buy previous generation Ryzen+board second hand and wait for Zen4 in 2022. I don't know.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah exactly!
There don't seem to be any aftermarket heatsinks available either.

I might just buy previous generation Ryzen+board second hand and wait for Zen4 in 2022. I don't know.

If you don't need all your PCI-e lanes to run at 4.0 speeds, I would rather recommend a B550 board. Cheaper than X570, but better equipped and generally better quality than last gen ones.

 

[Blaylock]

There are several water-cooled variations, but as TomGang mentioned, they will not be cheap.

 

[Tomgang]

There are several water-cooled variations, but as TomGang mentioned, they will not be cheap.

Ah yeah there are also boards with full waterblocks. But that for sure dosent help on prises either + you will need to buy a custom water loop that will just increase the bill.

Also even some of the boards with a water block still have a chipset fan like

ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII FORMULA.​

Yeah exactly!
There don't seem to be any aftermarket heatsinks available either.

I might just buy previous generation Ryzen+board second hand and wait for Zen4 in 2022. I don't know.

Else take a look at B550 boards. Nearly all of them are passive cooled, better quality than previous boards and cheaper than X570. But lacking some features in return. Like less USB ports to use.

For my part, if all goes as I plan. I am going for asus dark hero cause I want a board with out a fan. I have my hardware for years. Been on X58 for al most 12 years now...

 

[Octopuss]

I don't think B550 is for me, unfortunately. I will have two NVMe SSDs in the system plus a sound card. I don't think I'd have enough lanes for that, especially since B550 is PCIe 3.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't think B550 is for me, unfortunately. I will have two NVMe SSDs in the system plus a sound card. I don't think I'd have enough lanes for that, especially since B550 is PCIe 3.

It has one x16 slot and one m.2 running at 4.0 from the CPU. The rest of the lanes are diverted from the chipset, those are 3.0. In this configuration, your boot drive and graphics card run at PCI-e 4.0. I highly doubt anything else needs the extra bandwidth.

 

[kayjay010101]

I don't think B550 is for me, unfortunately. I will have two NVMe SSDs in the system plus a sound card. I don't think I'd have enough lanes for that, especially since B550 is PCIe 3.

Why bother with a soundcard? Onboard is just as good as any PCIe soundcard these days, the only way to get better audio is to go external.

 

[AusWolf]

Why bother with a soundcard? Onboard is just as good as any PCIe soundcard these days, the only way to get better audio is to go external.

That's one thing. The other thing is, you don't need PCI-e 4.0 to run a sound card.

 

[Tomgang]

I don't think B550 is for me, unfortunately. I will have two NVMe SSDs in the system plus a sound card. I don't think I'd have enough lanes for that, especially since B550 is PCIe 3.

I can say B550 has one m.2 and one pcie express port running gen 4 directly to cpu and one m.2 port running gen 3 to chipset. So unless you need bofh m.2 running gen 4. You will be just fine in that way.

I already have a Asus Mini-itx B550 board waiting for a cpu. So I can say that for sure.

About sound card. Just go for a board with a good on board sound chip from example creative and make sure the board has an optical sound output. That already gives great sound.

On my old asus X58 board, I just use the on board sound connected via optical to my Logitech Z-5500 speakers. That gives all ready really nice sound in both games, music and movies.

I have no plans on a second soundcard.

 

[Octopuss]

I use a soundcard because I want to, nevermind that

I haven't been keeping up with hardware recently and mostly just rely on info I briefly check on Wikipedia, so I was under the impression B550 was PCIe 3 only.
It might just work then. The USB configuration is a little meh, but not a game breaker.

I'm still not sure if it wouldn't be a better idea to just spend a lot less for previous gen and get a completely new future-proof platform when Zen4 comes.
I mean it would be a huge upgrade over this 3770K anyway.

 

[Tomgang]

I use a soundcard because I want to, nevermind that

I haven't been keeping up with hardware recently and mostly just rely on info I briefly check on Wikipedia, so I was under the impression B550 was PCIe 3 only.
It might just work then. The USB configuration is a little meh, but not a game breaker.

I'm still not sure if it wouldn't be a better idea to just spend a lot less for previous gen and get a completely new future-proof platform when Zen4 comes.
I mean it would be a huge upgrade over this 3770K anyway.

If you are planning to upgrade to Zen 4, then yes b550 is not a good idea. Stick to a b450 then. If You you are 100 % sure you will go Zen 4. Then spend as little as possible on you currently new system. Maybe even consider used parts just to get you going.

A used B450 and ryzen 5 3600 none x would be a great tempeary setup over 3770K. Just an idea.

But if you want to stay on Zen 3. Then I would go for B550 over B450. There still pcie 4 and perhaps newer USB types on B550 that B450 lacks and other features as well. B450 is also only pcie gen 3. There are some choises and compromises to be made no matter what. Unless you go full out spending several 100 dollars on a X570 board.

 

[Octopuss]

Maybe I could buy a cheap B550 board and grab used 3600X or something.
I want to either upgrade to Zen3 now, or get something to serve me well until Zen4.
I am not entirely sure what to do, especially considering the temperature problems with 5800X (the fact they are by design doesn't really matter).

 

[Tomgang]

Maybe I could buy a cheap B550 board and grab used 3600X or something.
I want to either upgrade to Zen3 now, or get something to serve me well until Zen4.
I am not entirely sure what to do, especially considering the temperature problems with 5800X (the fact they are by design doesn't really matter).

I dont know what you use your pc for. But yeah a cheap b550 cut be a good compromise. Just be aware that the cheapest B550 might lag good vrm cooling and cut limit things like overclock and max boost clock. Also some features might be saved away to save money. You get what you pay for.

About cpu. If you are going for a temporary Zen 2 cpu. Go after the 3600 none x then. It's a bit cheaper but really not that much slower than 3600X. There are also 5600X, that would still be a significant upgrade over your 3770K.

Choises choises choices. But they have to be made.

 

[bug]

I use a soundcard because I want to, nevermind that

I haven't been keeping up with hardware recently and mostly just rely on info I briefly check on Wikipedia, so I was under the impression B550 was PCIe 3 only.
It might just work then. The USB configuration is a little meh, but not a game breaker.

I'm still not sure if it wouldn't be a better idea to just spend a lot less for previous gen and get a completely new future-proof platform when Zen4 comes.
I mean it would be a huge upgrade over this 3770K anyway.

Or, you could go B550+Zen3 and skip Zen4 (introducing PCIe5 and DDR5 will be expensive and probably with some teething problems). Idk which way works better for you.
If you go Zen2, 3600X is not worth a price increase over 3600

 

[robal]

I read something somewhere about this showing up in some new AGESA version or something. Does anyone know anything? I need to upgrade, desperately almost, but I just am not buying a board with a fucking gazzilion rpm fan on it. We're not in 2001 or something. Damn you VIA.
Seriously though, are there any news about that or was I daydreaming?

I'm so with you on this one. I'm not buying a board with a fan.
Lack of fanless X570 boards stopped me from upgrading to Zen3.
With Rocket Lake and Zen4 getting closer and closer I may just skip this generation.

 

[AusWolf]

I use a soundcard because I want to, nevermind that

I haven't been keeping up with hardware recently and mostly just rely on info I briefly check on Wikipedia, so I was under the impression B550 was PCIe 3 only.
It might just work then. The USB configuration is a little meh, but not a game breaker.

I'm still not sure if it wouldn't be a better idea to just spend a lot less for previous gen and get a completely new future-proof platform when Zen4 comes.
I mean it would be a huge upgrade over this 3770K anyway.

There is no such thing as complete future proofing. If I were you, I'd ask myself how important it is to build a new system right now. If you need one, go for B550. If you can wait, wait. There are some decent last gen options too, but if you plan on getting rid of it in a year or two, then it's a waste of money imo.

Edit: That is, if you want a relatively future compatible system, then I'd suggest building a decent one right now and skipping Zen 4 (I'm taking that path too). If you want Zen 4, then I really wouldn't bother with a temporary solution unless your current build can't do its job anymore.

 

[Octopuss]

My current PC can't even do browsing anymore. I don't get it. The CPU must lack some special "current" instructions or what, because even though Facebook, Youtube and Twitch are top 3 contenders in the "slowest and crappiest-written sites in the history of mankind" contest, it makes no sense to completely lock my browser for up to a few seconds when I try to open/refresh them. It was fairly ok say four years ago, but nowadays the PC is just not cutting even the basic tasks anymore. And it's overclocked. I don't even want to imagine how the default state would perform.
I don't even play games anymore and I completely stopped doing any photography, because Lightroom flat out laughs me in the face

 

[Tomgang]

My current PC can't even do browsing anymore. I don't get it. The CPU must lack some special "current" instructions or what, because even though Facebook, Youtube and Twitch are top 3 contenders in the "slowest and crappiest-written sites in the history of mankind" contest, it makes no sense to completely lock my browser for up to a few seconds when I try to open/refresh them. It was fairly ok say four years ago, but nowadays the PC is just not cutting even the basic tasks anymore. And it's overclocked. I don't even want to imagine how the default state would perform.
I don't even play games anymore and I completely stopped doing any photography, because Lightroom flat out laughs me in the face

Well you cut try check temperature on the cpu and the rest of the system. If it is long time since you have cleaned or maybe put on new paste on cpu. It cut be a thermal Throttle problem.

 

[Octopuss]

Nope, I take good care of my system, the CPU is even delidded and temperatures are great.
Somehow the CPU is just not good enough anymore for reasons I don't understand.

Is there a thread or an article somewhere on TPU about Zen3 memory speeds and recommendations, or maybe does anyone have a link for any other site?

 

[Blaylock]

The sweet spot for Zen3 still seems around 3600Mhz with a 1:1 IF ratio (lowest CAS you can afford/aquire). Some have reported up to 4000Mhz but bench results are scattered as some lose 1:1 ratio.

 

[Tomgang]

Nope, I take good care of my system, the CPU is even delidded and temperatures are great.
Somehow the CPU is just not good enough anymore for reasons I don't understand.

Is there a thread or an article somewhere on TPU about Zen3 memory speeds and recommendations, or maybe does anyone have a link for any other site?

Well you are not alone. My old i7 980x cant cut it any more either. I also run out of memory despite having 12 gb.

The sweetspot memory for zen 3 would be 3600 mhz cl 16-16-16 running dual rank per memory channel (means 2 x 16 gb or 4 x 8 GB module for a 32 gb kit for an axsemple). But you can be lucky infinity fabric can handle up to 4000 mhz memory, but no garantee for it. I chose to go for 3600 mhz CL14 memory for my system. But values for money, CL14 is not the solution. I chose CL14 cause I wanted the no compromise experience. CL14 is however also fairly expensive.

So my recommendation will be 3600 mhz cl16-16-16 running dual rank per memory channel. Then you get the most out of Zen 3 with out paying to much on memory.

For ideas to memory. These two kits.

F4-3600C16D-32GTZR - QVL - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for F4-3600C16D-32GTZR. Find compatible motherboard or hardware for this product.

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A cheaper alternative, but also have loser timings.

F4-3600C16D-32GTZRC - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Featuring the award-winning Trident Z heatspreader design, the Trident Z RGB memory series combines vivid RGB lighting with awesome DDR4 DRAM performance.

www.gskill.com