Few questions on 555 Black Edition??

[NdMk2o1o]

The dispute is not about PII and Athlon II.

The dispute is about Athlon II X3 and Phenom II X2 specifically.




They were not random tests, I only selected the gaming tests because the conversation shifted towards gaming. If we are talking about work related tasks the both the Athlon II X3 and X4 will beat the Phenom II X2 by a land slide, look at the encoding, productivity, rendering and synthetic benchmarks and you'll see that the extra cores do better.



What will that prove? the argument isnt about "clock for clock" the argument is about 2 cores vs 3 cores or 2 cores vs 4 cores.


TONYSALEM, at @ if you are playing Battle Field the Athlon II X4 is better, there are reviews that show that Battlefield Bad Company gets double the frame rate with quad cores in general.

Again in benchmarks this only shows that the Athlon II x3 bests the pII x2 to an extent when the Atlon is overclocked to 3.77ghz

I agree at that Athlon II x3 vs the pII x2 550 then the athlon is the overall winner, though that said it has an extra core and is overclocked in them benches, the 550 was not!

When you take into consideration the 550 wasn't overclocked and has 1 less core and still keeps up with the Athlon for the most part it makes sense to know the pII 550 will also overclock to 3.7ghz easily and beat it in most of those tests, add to the fact the chances to unlock to x3 with the 550 are high and in some cases x4 and the pII in my eyes is the clear winner.

 

[Dent1]

Again in benchmarks this only shows that the Athlon II x3 bests the pII x2 to an extent when the Atlon is overclocked to 3.77ghz

I agree at that Athlon II x3 vs the pII x2 550 then the athlon is the overall winner, though that said it has an extra core and is overclocked in them benches, the 550 was not!

When you take into consideration the 550 wasn't overclocked and has 1 less core and still keeps up with the Athlon for the most part it makes sense to know the pII 550 will also overclock to 3.7ghz easily and beat it in most of those tests,

Which website was that! The websites I posted had stock performances too, I am not sure where you are getting these overclocked stats from. Which website, on the TPU review the X3 dominated the work related tasks by a landslide and then went back and forth with the X2 in single threaded gaming tasks despite its architectural handicap - this was @ stock speeds, remember some of the tests are "lower is better".

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X3_425/1.html

add tothe fact the chances to unlock to x3 with the 550 are high and in some cases x4 and the pII in my eyes is the clear winner.

But are missing the fact that the Athlon II X3 performs similarly in gaming to the X2, hands it to the X2 in work related tasks consistently and also has the potential to unlock too....and it costs 40% less! That is value for money at its best.

I accepted your challenge earlier, create the thread and we shall begin our benchmarks together, send me a pm when the thread is ready!

 

[TONYSALEM]

Please link me to the "challenge" tread if it takes place please! Just for curiosity!!

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Which website was that! The websites I posted had stock performances too, I am not sure where you are getting these overclocked stats from. Which website, on the TPU review the X3 dominated the work related tasks by a landslide and then went back and forth with the X2 in single threaded gaming tasks despite its architectural handicap - this was @ stock speeds, remember some of the tests are "lower is better".

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Athlon_II_X3_425/1.html



But are missing the fact that the Athlon II X3 performs similarly in gaming to the X2, hands it to the X2 in work related tasks consistently and also has the potential to unlock too....and it costs 40% less! That is value for money at its best.

I accepted your challenge earlier, create the thread and we shall begin our benchmarks together, send me a pm when the thread is ready!

Haha lovin this well the only review I seen on toms hardware was with the athlon II x3 stock and oc' to 3.77ghz and at stock it was barely better than the pII x2. Also show me where an Athlon x3 is 40% cheaper than a pII 550, that would be worth the $

As for your acceptance I thought you said something about its not clock for clock but hey I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

So heres the challenge, how about some ideas of benchmarks that me and Dent1 can run comparing my pII x2 unlocked compared to his Athlon II x4 at the same clock speeds can run that are not dependant on the gpu or memory

 

[Dent1]

well the only review I seen on toms hardware was with the athlon II x3 stock and oc' to 3.77ghz

So you now admit that the review had stock clocks in the review. Seems like your eyes suddenly got better. lol

and at stock it was barely better than the pII x2.

Now you are admitting that the X3 at stock is better (barely but still better) than the X2. So by your own admission the X3 is better, so why would you pay more for the X2 if its slower by your own admission?

Also show me where an Athlon x3 is 40% cheaper than a pII 550, that would be worth the $

Ok you got me there 40% was a made up percentage. But regardless why would you pay more money for a processor that can only win insignificantly in one area, single threaded gaming, but gets handed in almost every thing else? Makes no sense.

As for your acceptance I thought you said something about its not clock for clock but hey I am willing to put my money where my mouth is.

My post as very clear from the start, the Athlon II X3 and X4 is faster than the Phenom II X2 in non-gaming related tasks by a landslide, in single threaded gaming related tasks the performance is exaggerated by the difference in clock speeds and if the clock speeds were identical the X2 will still win in single threaded gaming related tasks but it would be a more narrow victory.

Some and Dent1 can run comparing my pII x2 unlocked compared to his Athlon II x4 at the same clock speeds can run that are not dependant on the gpu or memory

The argument is about your Phenom II X2 (2 cores) outperforming a Athlon II X3 or X4, the fact that you are desperate to unlock your Phenom II X2 shows that you do not believe in your own processor or arguments lol - anyone else agree?

 

[Dent1]

Ok, the thread has been created and testing shall begin soon--> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=1937917#post1937917

Reluctantly, I will agree to this challenge if NdMk2o1o has his processor locked to a X2 and his clock speed is lowered to match mine, or alternatively my clock speed overclocked to match his! - This way we get a true representation of the differences between 6MB of L3 vs 2 extra cores with no L3 cache.

 

[brandonwh64]

If it does not unlock i am ok with the fast dual with the l3 cache.. I will overclock it as far as the board,ram,and tuniq 120 let me!!

* Are you guys thinking the x4 630 is the better route?

NO. get the Phenom II and join the club LOLZ

 

[TONYSALEM]

I bought the Phenom II x2 555 Black.. Put it in loaded win 7, back in bios acc on and quad action. Occt stable and prime 95 for over 2 hours!! What a steal.

 

[joeyck]

haha gj! told u 555 was the bttr route

 

[Dent1]

haha gj! told u 555 was the bttr route

He could of easily of got a dud, it was a 50/50 gamble!

I bought the Phenom II x2 555 Black.. Put it in loaded win 7, back in bios acc on and quad action. Occt stable and prime 95 for over 2 hours!! What a steal.

Gad that everything has worked out for you, its a great processor

 

[TONYSALEM]

I thought about the Athlon II X4 630 but the guy at Microcenter i always deal with said if the 555 black doesn't unlock bring it back till you find one that does unlock all 4 and is stable!! Nice huh

 

[joeyck]

nothing wrong with gambling lol

 

[MN12BIRD]

Just wondering. With the AII vs PII and L3 cache debate can't you also unlock the 6MB L3 cache on the Athlon II x3 and x4's?

 

[JrRacinFan]

Just wondering. With the AII vs PII and L3 cache debate can't you also unlock the 6MB L3 cache on the Athlon II x3 and x4's?

Only on some. The ones you are speaking of have "CAYAC" in the stepping and batch information on the IHS etching and are based on a disabled Deneb core.

I bought the Phenom II x2 555 Black.. Put it in loaded win 7, back in bios acc on and quad action. Occt stable and prime 95 for over 2 hours!! What a steal.

Congrats!!!! Did you happen to catch what the batch no. was on it?

 

[TONYSALEM]

Congrats!!!! Did you happen to catch what the batch no. was on it?

I did not but.. as soon as i can find some AMD screws for my Tuniq Tower 120 i will be switching coolers so i will look and post the batch #... Good idea, i almost forgot to even look at the chip(first AMD) so i was excited!