and then we have the extreme opposite - I use IE and rarely (if ever) have my AV software running, or a firewall up while browsing . . . and never experieince problems. Although, you're very much correct about the shtoopids out there - what keeps me clean is keeping everythin updated. If I'm heading into the bowels of the net, the firewall and AV software does go up. Routine system checks to catch any potential infections before it becomes an issue. And very true as well IE7 (and IE8 RC) are by-far superior to IE6 ever was. But it all boils down to common sense . . . which most users don't seem to have. Even still - all the people that say IE isn't safe, and that these "open-source" browsers are more secure . . . I think it's funny how easily malware can be written for these browsers, considering it is open source, the programmers have access to the original code - which we all know what doors that opens for them. At least with IE, there's only one company that has the original source code, and they won't be forking it over any time soon. It's the equivalent of giving malware programmers a Webster's Abriged pocket Dictionary, or giving them an Oxford multi-volume Unabridged Dictionary . . . which is more useful, y'know?